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No new romulan ships in the last 2 ship releases?
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Cryptic why are you being lazy, the Romulans need a new ship with every ship release. I know that Romulans can fly almost all allied ships now, but the "ONLY" reason to play a romulan is the singularity powers, which allied ships do not have.
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True. That does mean you can fly one of the existing 40+ Romulan ships as your permanent ship, and just pick up the new traits from a fed or KDF ship.
This might be the reason why Cryptic made the decision to make all Tier 5 and Tier 6 ships available to Romulans. In a few years, they might give the same access to Klingons so Cryptic will only create Starfleet and alien ships. Which is a rather dismal future since it is interesting to see the variations Cryptic makes on the bundle ships. It will be boring if all the bundle ships are Starfleet.
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When Cryptic did the Recon destroyers, the Federation one was all Thomas Marrone's project during downtime. The Klingon one took more creative visioning by a couple of people, probably during the same downtime.
You guys have to remember that it takes time to make ships from scratch. That's what they'd have to do if they did new Romulan ships since they're out of canon ships they can bring up to tier 6 status.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/9fsfb7/theres_no_new_romulan_ship_but_you_can_make_the/
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Dont know, most of us buy Romulan ships the moment they are released… i like them a lot, and i know im not alone on that..
I would totally fly that, as a Rom.
All of the current on the clock Dev Time is being devoted to Age of Discovery. I believe they said on the livestream for the Recon Destroyers that there were some problems coming up with a potential Romulan design because the Pods made designing difficult. I don't remember the details but they did say something about a Romulan design when people kept bringing it up.
Right now Romulan, and by extension Dominion, ships are on a back burner because of Age of Discovery. We'll see more Romulan for sure in the future.
Another factor people are forgetting is a WHY on the allied ships.
There are just WAY too many to make Jem'Hadar variants to catch up with. And since they use the same ally system as the Romulans... you can't divorce them from each other to have Romulans still limited to their own ships while Jem'Hadar have full access to allied ships. Mechanically that is either extremely difficult or outright impossible.
There is no way that Jem'Hadar can get their own Intel, Command, Pilot, Temporal, and Miracle Worker ships in the same numbers that Fed, KDF, and Romulans have. So the simple solution was to just give them full access. And due to using the exact same ally system as the Romulans... Romulans also have the same access.
Do I think it was a good idea? Still semi on the fence. On the one hand it means easier access to some of the older ship traits that were either unavailable or only available via lockbox, and Fed Allied have greater access to Engie and Science for Admiralty. On the other hand... justifying 3 packs with the same trait is slightly harder now.
I'm still gonna fly my T6 Mogai on my Romulan as her main ship. But that doesn't mean I'm not gonna take advantage of the trait access to improve my Mogai.
probably not true. Cryptic have boasted in the past that they work well ahead of their development cycle. AoD is right around the corner and they might have people on standby for bug fixing on release, otherwise it has been in the content pipeline waiting to go, they are probably much further ahead, maybe working on the next summer event or what to do after that? they are usually 9 months to a year ahead of anything (by observation) that comes out to the customer and they have long term planning on what it is they want to do.
at the start of the year they mentioned that there were exciting things to come and more actors to bring on and they delivered on that, they also said they had plans out to 2020 at least and were working on 2021. that was in a podcast.
if there are to be next ship designs? it is likely done freelance with any spare time available between official duties.
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Which T6 can't they use other than the Lifetime / veteran ships?
Also Cryptic: Here's two Fed and two KDF ships within a month.
Now, I was never good at math but something doesn't add up here.
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Korath/Qul'poH Temporal Science Vessel (All variants)
Wells/Verne Temporal Science Vessel (All variants)
Krenn/Chargh'poH Temporal Destroyer (All variants)
Mobius/Klein Temporal Destroyer (All variants)
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NX Escort Refit [T6]
Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser [T6]
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Kelvin Timeline D4x Pilot Bird-of-Prey [T6]
Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser [T6]
Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser [T6]
Ships take time to make. These were probably side projects.
LTS veteran ships where you get the Romulan versions for your Romulan character, and lock box / lobi ships where you get a Romulan ship instead.
So those are kind of an anti-example of neglecting Romulans
Lock box, lobi and R&D packs with a Romulan ship included too?
These ships did mean something to the devs making them. New Orleans for example:
The devs care about bringing more ships to the game but they have to work within the constraints of their job. Right now that doesn't include ROM ships. Okay, so do we just dig in our heels and simply demand full inclusion? 4 ships per bundle, no matter how miscellaneous either the original design or stats platform is, and let's pump that up to 5, 6, and 7 when Cryptic invariable adds more factions in. Scaling? Bah, that wizardry is irrelevant when there's fan demand on the table!
Honestly, I think this situation requires a re-evaluation of what we expect from C-store releases. IE. perfect parity with every one. We've had that for a long while now but four nominal factions changes the basic math for how easy that is to maintain (33% increase in dev time and bundle warbirds being much less usable across factions. FED/KDF ships unlock across 3 factions now. ROM: just them.) So does Cryptic just alternate these miscellaneous c-store bundles? No, I don't think there's a reasonable argument to make that demand for the ROM/DOM is on par for new FED/KDF ships (the focus of the IP leans heavily on the latter.) What about 2 FED/KDF for (on average) 1 ROM/DOM? Maybe, but that doesn't appeal to me either because the comparison between ROM/DOM is a pretty damning one.
I could buy the Romulan Warbird for that ship skinned with singularity powers, or I could buy the DOM equivalent and have that across all factions (including ROM.) That's a deathknell for demand, making ROM ships functionally redundant for as long as this scheme is in place (which also would have been the case if Cryptic maintained the bundles of three for these releases.) So how can we get more ROM ships that aren't completely pointless (apart from RP and aesthetics)? Simple: don't bundle them! Release ROM ships as their own stand alone c-store release between KDF/ROM packs with little (if any) connection between them (selling warbirds on their uniqueness and making the most out of their cloaking and singularity powers. And don't worry about trait access for the other factions, this is covered under the account trait reclaim system.) Do the same with Jem'Hadar, selling them instead on their universal nature (see. T6 mastery.)
This would allow new ROM/DOM ships that still serve a strong functional purpose, tailor releases to precisely fit the demand of the side factions, allow new factions to be slotted into the rotation without immediate scaling problems for dev time, allow other cross-faction ships to fit the same pattern (see. more Cardassian ships), wouldn't step on KDF/FED releases (as universal DOM ships would), add more variety to the cycle of c-store releases, and create stronger arguments for making ROM/DOM characters. You not only get to fly warbirds and attack ships, you get to fly warbirds and attack ships that are more than just reskins of what you could be playing under the more expansive FED and KDF.
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I think you pretty much nailed it here, they figure by giving Romulans the ability to use allied ships they can no longer sell separate ships just for the traits so they're not going to make them.
I am probably in the minority, but if I had been asked as a Romulan Player if I would want free access to all my allied ships, but the cost would be little to no new Romulan Specific ships going forward.. I would have voted no. Even though the current method actually potentially saves me money, I still would have been against it. This is Cryptic however, not like they asked.. and even if they had, they wouldn't have listened to the answers.
This, this, this! I don't even play on my Romulan that much, but I 100% understand the frustration you must be feeling. It actually bothers me seeing Romulans flying Federation ships. It just doesn't make sense to me. I can only imagine what the reaction would have been if the situation had been reversed and Federation players were given the ability to fly Romulan ships so they wouldn't have to make Federation ships anymore.
IMO the writing was on the wall for the continuation of the post DR status quo (ie. T6 bundles of 3, one for each faction) when a stand-out fourth faction option (ie. the Jem'Hadar) was announced. Unless their ships were relegated to ViL (a la TOS-FED and AoY) Cryptic was going to be faced with increasing their ship output by one third just to maintain nominal parity between supported factions. Enter into that the changes to multi-faction ships for the DOM [necessary for them to have parity in gameplay without adding a DOM ship to every existing bundle], and ROM becomes an functionally inferior choice. The Jem'Hadar can use everything, unlock their ships, and they have their own specialized mechanic. Why buy warbirds then when FED, KDF, DOM, and [quite probably] whomever else comes next all offer more utility? Personal preference? Okay, but that's now coming at a direct cost (as quantified by the weaker utility of warbirds) rather than being complimented by the functional setup of the game (as it was when there was only 3 supported factions.)
Even if Cryptic had the capacity to release 3 ship bundles with the recon destroyers and support cruisers, the warbird option still would have been redundant, or at least a secondary consideration, and this isn't the result of just sharing ships but the new relationships imposed by the addition of another faction. FED/KDF ships have greater intrinsic value now thanks to the DOM and all sharing ships with ROM did was avoid the comparison between ROM and DOM from further devaluing the Romulan faction.
So, this the new situation. To accommodate more factions Cryptic intends to support, minor ship releases can no longer play by the long standing 1/1/1 bundle pattern without complication. Instead, I think that Cryptic should follow more closely with how STO's factions are designed. IE. release new ROM/DOM/Other ships as their own thing, tailored to demand and seeking alternate flavor with FED/KDF c-store releases serving as the game's core baseline. The benefit there (in addition to everything I listed in the post above) is that Warbirds would no longer have to just be reskins. They could, once again, be [relatively] unique. And honestly, I'm much more eager to advocate for that than token parity in bundles to simply meet existing expectations (nevermind those being the product development circumstance and the most practical solutions to problems which have further evolved. What happens next should take that into greater account.)
Think "like this but with FED, thanks to 2410 politics."
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It is not a given that any or all future Dominion Ships will be of the Vanguard variety with the T6 unlocking mechanism.
Romulans can now thoroughly experience getting blasted to smithereens flying their Allied ships when they go down with a Warp Core Breech, instead of getting sucked into a Singularity.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'