Not being someone that's got onto the whole antisocial media bandwagon or twitter, facebook, etc I can't see myself ever using them.
I gave you a lol. You are now part of the system. Muhahaha.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
You'll notice some new buttons on posts in the forum. These allow you to react to a post without having to respond, and will have some noticeable effect on which posts move to the top of the forum. It's somewhat similar to Reddit's system. We're giving it a try to see how we like it, please let me know any feedback you might have.
The Quote and Flag button need to look visibly different and preferable retain their old position on the right.
That’s a good point and I was wondering if the flag is next to reactions will make people think it’s a reaction flag to come back to a post?
Another thing that confuses me about reactions is being at the bottom of the post by the time I have seen them I have already read the post or skipped it. At which point the reactions are irrelevant for telling me anything useful about the post. Its not like I am going get to the bottom see a bunch of down posts and retroactively skip the post.
On the plus side on my mobile I see zero reactions. So I can skip this useless feature.
Reddit is one of those places I consider to be part of the antisocial media wagon because while the theory of how it works is sound the way it actually works is more like a blend of mob mentality and playground popularity contest.
You should charge zen to click on the vote icons. That would discourage vote trolling since they'd actually have to pay for it somehow.
On the GTA V forums, I believe they implemented a system where you cannot just gratuitously downvote, but need an amount of positive 'karma' yourself too (a certain negative/positive ratio), ere you can do so, to prevent trolling and/or malicious use of downvoting.
Heck, you could even do away with downvoting altogether, and still reach the same effect (ranking by upvotes only). That would definitely take the spite out of the system.
Funny that. There are times I actually have thought and pondered whether or not I'd actually vote up and down on posts around this neck of the woods. Having said that, I can't say I ever expected it to actually happen! O_o
With that, I do agree that eliminating the ability to downvote may like promote harmony within the forums. Or, if it must be retained for any reason, perhaps make it so one cannot see names of downvoters? Would that be possible?
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I want one that says 'noncanon' so I can accurately flag people's headcanon they're trying to pass off as fact.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
consider this: the Devs spend more time with Reddit, than they do here. maybe they're hoping here will become more like Reddit?
Sure, because it's the upvote-downvote system that makes Reddit better than forums, right? It possibly can't be anything else, like, I don't know, the community?
Semi-off topic: I wish they've added a "to the top" button at the end, first... or some other method to navigate the forum after finishing reading a threat.
... and of course, I'd love to have a T5/6 Kamarag, like there is a T5/6 Ambassador.
And could someone please tell me what the heck 'Promote' is supposed to do!? Promote in rank? Promote the idea of their post?
Btw, where is this "promote" button, even?
Oops, LOL, seems that 'Promote' button is only on your own Profile. Well, in that case, I guess only moderators and such would be able to vote in such a manner.
Also, something curious I discovered, when you look at your profile, there's something called "points" and a number behind them. As far as I understand, per every "Vote up" and "Insightful" on your posts you get 1 point, and 2 points for every "Awesome". Vote down and LOL doesn't seem to have any effects, rest I haven't seen but I'd bet it's the same with those.
consider this: the Devs spend more time with Reddit, than they do here. maybe they're hoping here will become more like Reddit?
Sure, because it's the upvote-downvote system that makes Reddit better than forums, right? It possibly can't be anything else, like, I don't know, the community?
I want one that says 'noncanon' so I can accurately flag people's headcanon they're trying to pass off as fact.
You can't react to your own posts.
Can't see why I would need to.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And could someone please tell me what the heck 'Promote' is supposed to do!? Promote in rank? Promote the idea of their post?
See, this is a good example of why I hate this new system: why would 2 ppl mark my above post as off-topic? Asking about the 'Promote' button is as on-topic as it gets in this thread. And I still wouldn't mind an answer.
Classic diversion. The more people spend time Up/Down voting and post about Reactions, the less time they have to complain about AoD, TFOs, and lack of Romulan Ships.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And could someone please tell me what the heck 'Promote' is supposed to do!? Promote in rank? Promote the idea of their post?
See, this is a good example of why I hate this new system: why would 2 ppl mark my above post as off-topic? Asking about the 'Promote' button is as on-topic as it gets in this thread. And I still wouldn't mind an answer.
I noticed the same thing. People are already starting to go around voting down/marking everything off topic. I got downvoted for saying something was interesting in another thread.
Edit: LOL and it looks like you even got reported for "abuse" on a comment that couldn't possibly be seen as abusive.
And could someone please tell me what the heck 'Promote' is supposed to do!? Promote in rank? Promote the idea of their post?
See, this is a good example of why I hate this new system: why would 2 ppl mark my above post as off-topic? Asking about the 'Promote' button is as on-topic as it gets in this thread. And I still wouldn't mind an answer.
I noticed the same thing. People are already starting to go around voting down/marking everything off topic. I got downvoted for saying something was interesting in another thread.
Edit: LOL and it looks like you even got reported for "abuse" on a comment that couldn't possibly be seen as abusive.
Yup, this is exactly what I feared would happen: the swinging of old axes. Went from 4 downvotes to 28, in no time, all done by the same person. I reported it to BMR, but I don't think they're really ready to deal with the fallout of this move of theirs to implement this not-entirely-well-thought-out system. We'll see, though.
Sorry to hear it's been happening to you too. You know what they say "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate." And I'm sure I ticked off a few ppl in my days; but I always believe ppl generally like me (which I know is probably sounding a bit silly). Anyway, I really, really, implore the Devs to get rid of downvotes altogether. I didn't think it would happen to me (so soon) per se, but things are unfolding exactly as I predicted, the moment I heard about this new voting system. No good can come of downvotes.
And could someone please tell me what the heck 'Promote' is supposed to do!? Promote in rank? Promote the idea of their post?
See, this is a good example of why I hate this new system: why would 2 ppl mark my above post as off-topic? Asking about the 'Promote' button is as on-topic as it gets in this thread. And I still wouldn't mind an answer.
I noticed the same thing. People are already starting to go around voting down/marking everything off topic. I got downvoted for saying something was interesting in another thread.
Edit: LOL and it looks like you even got reported for "abuse" on a comment that couldn't possibly be seen as abusive.
Yup, this is exactly what I feared would happen: the swinging of old axes. Went from 4 downvotes to 28, in no time, all done by the same person. I reported it to BMR, but I don't think they're really ready to deal with the fallout of this move of theirs to implement this not-entirely-well-thought-out system. We'll see, though.
Sorry to hear it's been happening to you too. You know what they say "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate." And I'm sure I ticked off a few ppl in my days; but I always believe ppl generally like me (which I know is probably sounding a bit silly). Anyway, I really, really, implore the Devs to get rid of downvotes altogether. I didn't think it would happen to me (so soon) per se, but things are unfolding exactly as I predicted, the moment I heard about this new voting system. No good can come of downvotes.
Agreed. I think we're talking about the same person too.
These buttons are perfect. Also, I want a "Banned" button.
I have a "banned" button.
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And could someone please tell me what the heck 'Promote' is supposed to do!? Promote in rank? Promote the idea of their post?
See, this is a good example of why I hate this new system: why would 2 ppl mark my above post as off-topic? Asking about the 'Promote' button is as on-topic as it gets in this thread. And I still wouldn't mind an answer.
I noticed the same thing. People are already starting to go around voting down/marking everything off topic. I got downvoted for saying something was interesting in another thread.
Edit: LOL and it looks like you even got reported for "abuse" on a comment that couldn't possibly be seen as abusive.
Yup, this is exactly what I feared would happen: the swinging of old axes. Went from 4 downvotes to 28, in no time, all done by the same person. I reported it to BMR, but I don't think they're really ready to deal with the fallout of this move of theirs to implement this not-entirely-well-thought-out system. We'll see, though.
Sorry to hear it's been happening to you too. You know what they say "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate." And I'm sure I ticked off a few ppl in my days; but I always believe ppl generally like me (which I know is probably sounding a bit silly). Anyway, I really, really, implore the Devs to get rid of downvotes altogether. I didn't think it would happen to me (so soon) per se, but things are unfolding exactly as I predicted, the moment I heard about this new voting system. No good can come of downvotes.
Have you ever thought of not abusing others then? For example, next time try to post something less intelligent than you usually do. This is STO forums after all, we can't have insightful posts here!
After giving this silly system a day. 1 insightful, 4 down and 2 up. notably a downvote on the same issue on this very thread, like someone had already made their mind up no matter what that i deserve it. So my early point about publically shaming has hit the point exactly. It is the exact same thought others had about the downvoting being a tool of abuse, especially with that 28 downvote.
get rid of it?
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I've seen people get downvoted simply because they said they would pass on particular new game content which the downvoter happens to like, that is pretty pathetic really.
Yeah this is a silly system to have in the forums.
All people are already starting to just blindly up/down vote posts simply because of who is posting. It serves very little purpose when groups of friends or whatever just go about upvoting to promote some sense of them being better or more correct than anyone else. Or contrary to that, people just downvoting simply because they disagree.
Reddit has the system sure but even there people have no clue how to use it sensibly, it's just a playground popularity contest and I don't think it brings anything meaning to the forums.
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I gave you a lol. You are now part of the system. Muhahaha.
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Another thing that confuses me about reactions is being at the bottom of the post by the time I have seen them I have already read the post or skipped it. At which point the reactions are irrelevant for telling me anything useful about the post. Its not like I am going get to the bottom see a bunch of down posts and retroactively skip the post.
On the plus side on my mobile I see zero reactions. So I can skip this useless feature.
Reddit is one of those places I consider to be part of the antisocial media wagon because while the theory of how it works is sound the way it actually works is more like a blend of mob mentality and playground popularity contest.
On the GTA V forums, I believe they implemented a system where you cannot just gratuitously downvote, but need an amount of positive 'karma' yourself too (a certain negative/positive ratio), ere you can do so, to prevent trolling and/or malicious use of downvoting.
Heck, you could even do away with downvoting altogether, and still reach the same effect (ranking by upvotes only). That would definitely take the spite out of the system.
With that, I do agree that eliminating the ability to downvote may like promote harmony within the forums. Or, if it must be retained for any reason, perhaps make it so one cannot see names of downvoters? Would that be possible?
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I want one that says 'noncanon' so I can accurately flag people's headcanon they're trying to pass off as fact.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Sure, because it's the upvote-downvote system that makes Reddit better than forums, right? It possibly can't be anything else, like, I don't know, the community?
You can't react to your own posts.
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A global game needs to cater to the global timezones.
Btw, where is this "promote" button, even?
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... and of course, I'd love to have a T5/6 Kamarag, like there is a T5/6 Ambassador.
Oops, LOL, seems that 'Promote' button is only on your own Profile. Well, in that case, I guess only moderators and such would be able to vote in such a manner.
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R.R.W. Ri Maajon - Khopesh Tactical Dreadnought Warbird build
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Can't see why I would need to.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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See, this is a good example of why I hate this new system: why would 2 ppl mark my above post as off-topic? Asking about the 'Promote' button is as on-topic as it gets in this thread. And I still wouldn't mind an answer.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I noticed the same thing. People are already starting to go around voting down/marking everything off topic. I got downvoted for saying something was interesting in another thread.
Edit: LOL and it looks like you even got reported for "abuse" on a comment that couldn't possibly be seen as abusive.
Yup, this is exactly what I feared would happen: the swinging of old axes. Went from 4 downvotes to 28, in no time, all done by the same person. I reported it to BMR, but I don't think they're really ready to deal with the fallout of this move of theirs to implement this not-entirely-well-thought-out system. We'll see, though.
Sorry to hear it's been happening to you too. You know what they say "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate."
Agreed. I think we're talking about the same person too.
I have a "banned" button.
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Have you ever thought of not abusing others then?
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R.R.W. Ri Maajon - Khopesh Tactical Dreadnought Warbird build
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get rid of it?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
All people are already starting to just blindly up/down vote posts simply because of who is posting. It serves very little purpose when groups of friends or whatever just go about upvoting to promote some sense of them being better or more correct than anyone else. Or contrary to that, people just downvoting simply because they disagree.
Reddit has the system sure but even there people have no clue how to use it sensibly, it's just a playground popularity contest and I don't think it brings anything meaning to the forums.
Ah well.
At least someone caught the sarcasm.