Open to all factions. Hmm why would my KDF characters want to defend the Federation?
Let me let my inner Klingon speak to that.
"BAH! ANOTHER SIMULATION! But we are Klingons, and if a warrior does not fight, he does not breathe. As there is no battle presenting itself at this moment, a simulation will have to do. Sure! We could take the role of our ancestors and fight the War of Starbase 1 on our side, but where is the CHALLENGE in that! THEY WON! History already says what the outcome would be if we take up our roles as Warriors of the Empire and take the Earther's space station from them. No! That path leads to stagnation, and stagnation leads to death. Let us take the role of the DEFENDER, and do what the Federation could not do. Protect that station from our ancestors. Save it from its fate. Do this, and we prove, yet again, our superiority. TO STATIONS, WARRIORS! We have a simulation to win!"
Damnit, Jim! Another long winded TRIBBLE Klingon is talking!
Edit: That wasn't supposed to double post. It was supposed to be one post with multiple quotes.
rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,582Community Moderator
Starbase 1 and ESD are two seperate stations.
Besides in the season 1 finale we see ESD under construction, and it looks like the mushroom we all know and love.
Dude... I think yer immursins are bleeding into reality. If it was "propaganda" as you keep claiming... then Starbase 1 would not need to be evacuated. And you don't need to beat us over the head with the KDF patriotism on the forums. We're not here to Role Play our specific faction loyalties. We're just normal people discussing things in a game, in this case one of the upcoming new STFs.
I main Fed myself, but you don't see me waving a Fed Flag calling things that are from a KDF perspective Klingon Propaganda.
Game Balance is Game Balance. The Devs aren't going to make it so that our 25th Century ships can steamroll era specific ships for "historical accuracy" because that is not balanced. That would basically be like saying all enemies in the first mission we can replay should only be lv. 1 despite us being lv. 65 in order to show that we are so much stronger than we were back when we first played it.
Not mention that having our ships be able to steamroll would actually be historically inaccurate, since starfleet did not have a bunch of 25th century starships avaible for the defense of SB1. for the purposes of the TFO (and the in-universe training scenario) we take the role of 23c ships that were involved. Cryptic (and possibly the in-universe commanders as well) tought it would be better to force our characters to use period accurate ships.
It's basically focusing on the wrong style of historical accuracity for this scenario for a sake of having something to whine.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,582Community Moderator
I'll be happy with a good old fashioned brawl, I build to brawl
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Question: Is Starbase One over Earth in this scenario (as the ST: D episode this scenario is based on was depicted); or is it 100 AUs out from the center of the Sol System (as the scripted dialogue in the SAME episode mentioned on screen)?
A damn fine question! We would like to know. Btw, what are the rewards to the mission?
Are we getting a DSC ship from AoD?
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[SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards[/SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards =A=Commodore Joshua Daniel Sarvour, S.C.E.
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As of right now... probably choice mark box and Dilithium. Don't think we're getting any new reps with AoD so its gonna be a general purpose. No elite marks for advanced.
a historical simulation? based on what evidence of actual events at the battle?
a historical simulation implies that it represents what happened in the battle, but Starfleet didn't actually know what exactly happened. much like these history books give detailed accounts of ancient battles 2,000 years earlier and some how it is accepted as fact in history without knowing if it was all true to begin with.
so that simulation could be historical propaganda to make starfleet look heroic in defeat of the Klingon threat. in game politics aside, it doesn't actually read as that interesting anyway.
Perhaps DSC will show flashbacks surrounding the battle from another point of view in season 2? perhaps a survivor who had practical knowledge of events but has PTSD and a closed book... in any event, i remain skeptical of this TFO.
"History, is written by the Victors."
[SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards[/SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards =A=Commodore Joshua Daniel Sarvour, S.C.E.
U.S.S. AKAGI NX-93347, Enterprise-class Battle Cruiser =A= U.S.S. T'KORA'S WRATH NX-110047, Odyssey-class Battle Cruiser "There Ain't No Grave, Can Hold My Body Down..." PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins. T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
Up until the Sarco was destroyed the Federation was facing a unified enemy with similar tactics. The second the unifying voice was removed, Starfleet was no longer facing 1 enemy, but many. It became a race to see who could take Earth first, by any means necessary, for bragging rights and power.
You realize that had as many, if not more, advantages as disadvantages for the Feds, right? Divide and conquer......something that seems to have been forgotten in the progressive utopia that is TRIBBLE.
Also... Up until they returned and were able to identify themselves as USS Discovery, they were cut off. Also its not out of the realm of possibility that transmissions were jammed. If they were... there would be no way for Starfleet to know. They may be "Kling-orcs" as you call them. But they're still not stupid. A suicide BoP following a starship under cloak to get inside another starbase is actually clever tactics. But one that would not have been seen under T'Kuvma or Kol.
First of all, even if we use the not unreasonable assumption that the Discovery was cut off from Starfleet secure comms due to the amount of time she had been gone....their secure comm codes being out of date....the ship that VADM Cornwell and Sarek intercepted Discovery with, and which subsequently escorted them to Starbase 1 did not have that problem. The CO of that ship not informing the commander of the force of this extremely important fact immediately upon learning it would be Dereliction of Duty. Cornwell had no idea Starbase 1 was even under threat until they arrived to find it fallen. The way Cornwell froze up like a jacklighted deer while trying to cope with the fact the Kling-orcs actually had a foothold in the Sol system itself while they are scanning Discovery doesn't say much for her competence, either.
Secondly, while the Kling-orc exploit of sending a ship in to self-destruct or otherwise detonate once docked is something that has been done in naval warfare more than once in Earth's wars (ex the 'Hellburner' of Antwerp or HMS Cambletown at St Nazaire), it has little to do with my point, that Starfleet's handling of the whole war was criminally stupid, and aside from the one example you mentioned, also isn't in character with Klingon behavior as seen in all the series that came before it. As to the "suicide" BoP, I doubt that any Klingons actually rode her in to the target, the vessel was more likely remotely controlled either by her on-board computer or remotely from a second cloaked ship outside the blast area. Why do a suicide mission in a war you're already decisively winning....especially when there are multiple ways to accomplish such a mission without throwing lives away? It doesn't make any sense. And sterilizing habitable colony worlds purely out of wanton bloodlust? Please. Those colonists would have gotten the Captains involved a tidy sum of latinum on the auction block...not to mention the value of the world itself to their House.
9 months of fighting a war on multiple fronts is bad for any one faction. Under Kol... it was one unified faction against another. Without Kol... it became one vs many. Granted the many was smaller, but still... many.
In nine months the Feds were reduced to the point of abandoning all their principles and resorting to genocide....a little soon, don't you think? Even the alt-Federation in "Yesterday's Enterprise" held out for twenty years and tens of billions dead before they realized they were going to have to surrender, and even then were still trying to live up to the Federation's ideals. In TRIBBLE, the Feds were losing even before it occurred to the Kling-Orcs that T'Kuma had a ship with a cloaking device and maybe it wasn't so smart to leave him in the system the war began eating rotten and/or vacuum dried corpses.
You are also assuming that those 700 were the ones responsible for taking SB1 in the first place. The fact of the matter is that could just be the garrison they left AFTER they took the station. They had it long enough to paint the crest of a great house on the side big enough for the whole universe to see. Which to me indicates those 700... were just a garrison to hold and keep the claim for their particular house. Not the attacking force. If it was... where are the Klingon ships that attacked the station? All we saw was wreckage of Federation ships. No Klingon ships whatsoever.
Starbase 1 was a bridgehead in the Sol system itself, a strategic installation of critical importance to both the Feds and the KDF. Losing it put Earth itself...a mere 100 AU away...under threat. If the Feds couldn't hold the station, they would have gone to any lengths to destroy it. Yet no fleet action, the Kling-orcs free to amuse themselves by painting their House sign on their new holding....and no Kling-orc fleet was parked there to protect the key to their ultimate victory. Also no broadcasts from Starfleet Command trying to arrange a counter-attack, or even warn traffic heading in-system that Starbase 1 had fallen. Incredibly stupid on both sides.
The writing for this show is just plain awful...if Netflix hadn't paid for Season 1 there might not even be a Season 2...no wonder they are rolling out Plan B, in the guise of Picard's second career as a diplomat.
I'd say it was more shock with Cornwell's reaction, all commanders have a bad day at the office so Cornwell is no different in that regard.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I did one of these TFO: Starbase One. Out of curiosity of what would happen when my Level 7 AoD character went into one of these things.
It is exactly the boredom I thought it would be.
I got "teamed" with a group of players.... one at Level 29 and three others at Level 65. Everyone "scaled" to Level 35. The players with the T-6 ships killed everything.
I realized everyone else was killing things for me...I changed tactics. I had to fight against being in a team in order to do anything. Which means, I broke the team.
Me in my starter ship with 3 weapons slots. I was running away from everyone else so I could shoot at things!! LOL! Having read enough times in here about how NOT to get pegged for AFK and the way to get some "action" for low dps players, I went to the edges to hit some Klingon BoPs that no one else was shooting at.
I was amazed the shields on my ship never completely died. What are they doing on this map to shore up low level players???? And I never got hit with a torpedo????? And I kept seeing torpedoes flying BY me. Why would my defense be this high? I should should have been stupid dead with shield facings being ignored.
Other sad thing....NO LOOT drops for me except for lockboxes. And yes, it would have been nice to see some Mark 2 gear at green or blue. I mean, I won't be staying in this ship for much longer, anyways. Why not give me something interesting for my ship?
I got 25 marks...which I can't use...so I don't care. Along with a TUTORIAL on how to use the REP???? WAY too early at Level 7. LOL! I leveled up to Level 8. Wow...I get to stick another point in my skill tree...which is, so, FAN-Tastic.
What was the point for players to do this at this level? OPEN UP THE REP WITH THE TFO UNLOCKS!!!! This absolutely makes no sense to me to gift me marks and say: oh that is for when you get to level 45 or 50 or whatever it is, now.
It was just like any other "team" thing in the game. I was bored out of my gourd. And it just kept going and going...wave after wave. I was sitting there going: can this stop now? Heck with TFOs.
I am going to P'Jem to ferry around an Undine. Then pulverize it like a good Klingon undercover in Starfleet would.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I needed Fleet Marks on a new alt, who's now lvl 52 and ready for some Fleet Gear, so I decided to jump into Starbase One. Having only Mk X whites a few greens, I went for the "easy mode" version.
I have no idea what lvl the others were, but the enemies were all -10 to me, however even the BoP's were still able to "gank" me if they teamed up (damage scaling is still weird) - However, after we safely saw the transports away ... Nothing, nada, zip, bupkiss. No Klingons spawned for about 25 mins. Then ONE wave spawned, which we duly destroyed, then we all sat there chatting for another 15mins, until another wave spawned ... Then a further 10 mins until we finally got the all clear, and could leave the map safely.
During that time, 3 players did leave, and were instantly replaced by others, who of course immediately asked what was going on, as we were all sat still around the base, just having a conversation.
And all the loot was ... lvl VII ... <sigh> We did get the optional (Lol) so it scored me 85 Marks which I suppose is a little better than doing Commendation Reports, but not by much.
One guy in chat did say (after it was too late of course) that you NEVER spawn an "Aceton Assimilator" because that is what screws up the instance ... Not sure if that's true.
Anyway, I'll give it 6 months or so, and then try it again, just to see if Cryptic have gotten around to fixing it by then, or if they've just deleted it altogether as a lost cause.
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Damnit, Jim! Another long winded TRIBBLE Klingon is talking!
Edit: That wasn't supposed to double post. It was supposed to be one post with multiple quotes.
Besides in the season 1 finale we see ESD under construction, and it looks like the mushroom we all know and love.
It's basically focusing on the wrong style of historical accuracity for this scenario for a sake of having something to whine.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
A damn fine question! We would like to know. Btw, what are the rewards to the mission?
Are we getting a DSC ship from AoD?
[SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards[/SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards
=A=Commodore Joshua Daniel Sarvour, S.C.E.
U.S.S. AKAGI NX-93347, Enterprise-class Battle Cruiser =A= U.S.S. T'KORA'S WRATH NX-110047, Odyssey-class Battle Cruiser
"There Ain't No Grave, Can Hold My Body Down..."
PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins.
T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
"History, is written by the Victors."
[SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards[/SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards
=A=Commodore Joshua Daniel Sarvour, S.C.E.
U.S.S. AKAGI NX-93347, Enterprise-class Battle Cruiser =A= U.S.S. T'KORA'S WRATH NX-110047, Odyssey-class Battle Cruiser
"There Ain't No Grave, Can Hold My Body Down..."
PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins.
T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
You realize that had as many, if not more, advantages as disadvantages for the Feds, right? Divide and conquer......something that seems to have been forgotten in the progressive utopia that is TRIBBLE.
First of all, even if we use the not unreasonable assumption that the Discovery was cut off from Starfleet secure comms due to the amount of time she had been gone....their secure comm codes being out of date....the ship that VADM Cornwell and Sarek intercepted Discovery with, and which subsequently escorted them to Starbase 1 did not have that problem. The CO of that ship not informing the commander of the force of this extremely important fact immediately upon learning it would be Dereliction of Duty. Cornwell had no idea Starbase 1 was even under threat until they arrived to find it fallen. The way Cornwell froze up like a jacklighted deer while trying to cope with the fact the Kling-orcs actually had a foothold in the Sol system itself while they are scanning Discovery doesn't say much for her competence, either.
Secondly, while the Kling-orc exploit of sending a ship in to self-destruct or otherwise detonate once docked is something that has been done in naval warfare more than once in Earth's wars (ex the 'Hellburner' of Antwerp or HMS Cambletown at St Nazaire), it has little to do with my point, that Starfleet's handling of the whole war was criminally stupid, and aside from the one example you mentioned, also isn't in character with Klingon behavior as seen in all the series that came before it. As to the "suicide" BoP, I doubt that any Klingons actually rode her in to the target, the vessel was more likely remotely controlled either by her on-board computer or remotely from a second cloaked ship outside the blast area. Why do a suicide mission in a war you're already decisively winning....especially when there are multiple ways to accomplish such a mission without throwing lives away? It doesn't make any sense. And sterilizing habitable colony worlds purely out of wanton bloodlust? Please. Those colonists would have gotten the Captains involved a tidy sum of latinum on the auction block...not to mention the value of the world itself to their House.
In nine months the Feds were reduced to the point of abandoning all their principles and resorting to genocide....a little soon, don't you think? Even the alt-Federation in "Yesterday's Enterprise" held out for twenty years and tens of billions dead before they realized they were going to have to surrender, and even then were still trying to live up to the Federation's ideals. In TRIBBLE, the Feds were losing even before it occurred to the Kling-Orcs that T'Kuma had a ship with a cloaking device and maybe it wasn't so smart to leave him in the system the war began eating rotten and/or vacuum dried corpses.
Starbase 1 was a bridgehead in the Sol system itself, a strategic installation of critical importance to both the Feds and the KDF. Losing it put Earth itself...a mere 100 AU away...under threat. If the Feds couldn't hold the station, they would have gone to any lengths to destroy it. Yet no fleet action, the Kling-orcs free to amuse themselves by painting their House sign on their new holding....and no Kling-orc fleet was parked there to protect the key to their ultimate victory. Also no broadcasts from Starfleet Command trying to arrange a counter-attack, or even warn traffic heading in-system that Starbase 1 had fallen. Incredibly stupid on both sides.
The writing for this show is just plain awful...if Netflix hadn't paid for Season 1 there might not even be a Season 2...no wonder they are rolling out Plan B, in the guise of Picard's second career as a diplomat.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
It is exactly the boredom I thought it would be.
I got "teamed" with a group of players.... one at Level 29 and three others at Level 65. Everyone "scaled" to Level 35. The players with the T-6 ships killed everything.
I realized everyone else was killing things for me...I changed tactics. I had to fight against being in a team in order to do anything. Which means, I broke the team.
Me in my starter ship with 3 weapons slots. I was running away from everyone else so I could shoot at things!! LOL! Having read enough times in here about how NOT to get pegged for AFK and the way to get some "action" for low dps players, I went to the edges to hit some Klingon BoPs that no one else was shooting at.
I was amazed the shields on my ship never completely died. What are they doing on this map to shore up low level players???? And I never got hit with a torpedo????? And I kept seeing torpedoes flying BY me. Why would my defense be this high? I should should have been stupid dead with shield facings being ignored.
Other sad thing....NO LOOT drops for me except for lockboxes. And yes, it would have been nice to see some Mark 2 gear at green or blue. I mean, I won't be staying in this ship for much longer, anyways. Why not give me something interesting for my ship?
I got 25 marks...which I can't use...so I don't care. Along with a TUTORIAL on how to use the REP???? WAY too early at Level 7. LOL! I leveled up to Level 8. Wow...I get to stick another point in my skill tree...which is, so, FAN-Tastic.
What was the point for players to do this at this level? OPEN UP THE REP WITH THE TFO UNLOCKS!!!! This absolutely makes no sense to me to gift me marks and say: oh that is for when you get to level 45 or 50 or whatever it is, now.
It was just like any other "team" thing in the game. I was bored out of my gourd. And it just kept going and going...wave after wave. I was sitting there going: can this stop now? Heck with TFOs.
I am going to P'Jem to ferry around an Undine. Then pulverize it like a good Klingon undercover in Starfleet would.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I needed Fleet Marks on a new alt, who's now lvl 52 and ready for some Fleet Gear, so I decided to jump into Starbase One. Having only Mk X whites a few greens, I went for the "easy mode" version.
I have no idea what lvl the others were, but the enemies were all -10 to me, however even the BoP's were still able to "gank" me if they teamed up (damage scaling is still weird) - However, after we safely saw the transports away ... Nothing, nada, zip, bupkiss. No Klingons spawned for about 25 mins. Then ONE wave spawned, which we duly destroyed, then we all sat there chatting for another 15mins, until another wave spawned ... Then a further 10 mins until we finally got the all clear, and could leave the map safely.
During that time, 3 players did leave, and were instantly replaced by others, who of course immediately asked what was going on, as we were all sat still around the base, just having a conversation.
And all the loot was ... lvl VII ... <sigh> We did get the optional (Lol) so it scored me 85 Marks which I suppose is a little better than doing Commendation Reports, but not by much.
One guy in chat did say (after it was too late of course) that you NEVER spawn an "Aceton Assimilator" because that is what screws up the instance ... Not sure if that's true.
Anyway, I'll give it 6 months or so, and then try it again, just to see if Cryptic have gotten around to fixing it by then, or if they've just deleted it altogether as a lost cause.