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A Concept Ship Is now Leaving Dry Dock

ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 532 Arc User
edited September 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
OH MY GOD THIS is why Star Trek Online Remains Strong compare to Other MMORPG is becuase they listen to the Fans of the Games one of my Wish list is coming true were getting the Ambassador Concept into the Game for a T6 Ambassador Class Narernda Class Support Cruiser I am so Getting it once I get Paid !!!
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    You mean that Gaurdian cruiser clone? Not sure what the big deal is to be honest. just selling the same virtual stuff as they did when t6 first came out, just slightly different to the original design.

    I'm not a fan of it for good reason, cryptic put little to no effort into coming up with an original design recently. one thing i could never fault Cryptic for is original ship designs. but recently it is all clones of previous ships within the same tier. it is like Cryptic staff have no creativity left in their design and art departments.

    i really want to be be proved wrong though when Cryptic gets away from the ship cloning business.
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Again just proves that the guardian should have been an ambassador type in the first palce. Mixing those two ships would have been awesome.
    And honestly the guardian still has the better boff layout imo, same goes for the Vor’ral, great boff layout for a battle cruiser.
    Good for the kdf though, they didn't have a single cmdr./temporal ship outside the 31st bunch so that finally fills a gap. Might get the bundle just because I'd get a T6 Vor'Kang out of it.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    ryuranger wrote: »
    becuase they listen to the Fans of the Games

    lol.. if it helps you to believe that.. then ok.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    The games' shup line up still makes no sense. The Guardian is, according to game fluff, supposed to be the functional successor to the Galaxy, which was the successor of the Ambassador. Still the Andromeda happened. And now the new Ambassador. Where does that leave the Guardian?
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    > @angrytarg said:
    > The games' shup line up still makes no sense. The Guardian is, according to game fluff, supposed to be the functional successor to the Galaxy, which was the successor of the Ambassador. Still the Andromeda happened. And now the new Ambassador. Where does that leave the Guardian?

    Kicked to the curb because the setup was garbage and no-one enjoyed it.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Concept Ship? FOr a moment I was having flashbacks to Star Citizen and it "concept sales"...

    If STO had that fanbase...
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ryuranger wrote: »
    becuase they listen to the Fans of the Games

    *Looks at signature*
    No they don't.
    Okay, they listen to the cool fans. :p
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,410 Community Moderator
    talonxv wrote: »
    Kicked to the curb because the setup was garbage and no-one enjoyed it.

    Actually... when Delta Rising came out I enjoyed the Guardian. Was a solid setup that felt like an improvement on the Assault Cruiser Refit with the additional Sci power. Was able to switch into that with the same Assault Cruiser build I had no problem.

    Also guys... guess what? The Probert Ambassador isn't the first concept ship in game.
    latest?cb=20091115055305&path-prefix=en
    Look familiar? Concept art for the Defiant class.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    ryuranger wrote: »
    becuase they listen to the Fans of the Games

    lol.. if it helps you to believe that.. then ok.

    Hey, the Vor'ral is exactly what the Vor'cha fans were asking for.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    You mean that Gaurdian cruiser clone? Not sure what the big deal is to be honest. just selling the same virtual stuff as they did when t6 first came out, just slightly different to the original design.

    I'm not a fan of it for good reason, cryptic put little to no effort into coming up with an original design recently. one thing i could never fault Cryptic for is original ship designs. but recently it is all clones of previous ships within the same tier. it is like Cryptic staff have no creativity left in their design and art departments.

    i really want to be be proved wrong though when Cryptic gets away from the ship cloning business.

    Which other ships have they done recently that are clones of other ships in the same tier?
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Well the fact that we now have two versions of the Ambassador is no different than how we have two versions of the Sovereign, the only real difference is that one of the Sovereigns is a promotional item and has a console which provides a set bonus when couple with the console from the other version of the Sovereign.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    ryuranger wrote: »
    becuase they listen to the Fans of the Games

    lol.. if it helps you to believe that.. then ok.

    Hey, the Vor'ral is exactly what the Vor'cha fans were asking for.

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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    ryuranger wrote: »
    OH MY GOD THIS is why Star Trek Online Remains Strong compare to Other MMORPG is because they listen to the Fans of the Games

    Yeah, right. Is pestering them for years = 'being listened to'?
    Cause I've asked for bugs to be fixed for years and they still persist.
    I guess when they can charge you to get a bug fixed, then they'll bother to listen.
    Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ryuranger wrote: »
    becuase they listen to the Fans of the Games

    *Looks at signature*
    No they don't.

    Keep fighting Reyan I'll be right there beside you until we get that beauty.. :)
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,410 Community Moderator
    You know... looking back on things in this thread...

    I have to wonder...
    How many other ships do we have in canon that are derived from concept art of other ships?

    When you can take this:
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    And turn it into this:
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    That's pretty good. Not only that... its using available resources.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 532 Arc User
    The Guardian was gonna be part of the Ambassador line up at first but they changed it last minute and Also Guardian was its own class of Vessel compare to the Galaxy and Ambassador while Ambassador is a Support Vessel Galaxy is an Exploration is a Multi Cruiser Vessel much like the Vista Class it Dose share some Simlulatires to the Ambassador Class and the Concept Art one but They are Different. This is from the Star Trek Online Wiki on it "Starfleet's Guardian Cruiser was designed to be a very versatile starship capable of accomplishing nearly any classification of mission." While Ambassador Class Narenda Class are Support Vessels this is a Multi one and there is no evadinace it was to replace the Galaxy Class Vessel the Venture Class was too Replace the Galaxy Class.
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,007 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    talonxv wrote: »
    Kicked to the curb because the setup was garbage and no-one enjoyed it.

    Actually... when Delta Rising came out I enjoyed the Guardian. Was a solid setup that felt like an improvement on the Assault Cruiser Refit with the additional Sci power. Was able to switch into that with the same Assault Cruiser build I had no problem.

    Also guys... guess what? The Probert Ambassador isn't the first concept ship in game.
    latest?cb=20091115055305&path-prefix=en
    Look familiar? Concept art for the Defiant class.
    This was very early concept art for the Defiant class too:
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    That would be ideal as a T6 Nova variant, make it a corvette type ship.
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    • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
      Well, you know it is a Epic Hero Ship. ;)
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    • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
      edited September 2018
      pryor#5476 wrote: »
      reyan01 wrote: »
      No they don't.

      https://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Science_Vessel_Retrofit
      This is not a T6 Nova, with an upgrade token it looks to be pretty Stout, for it's size and it's purpose as a low cost capable Science Vessel it fits right in...... only lacking Specialist seating
      Now I'm sure you would like to see 7 weapon slots, a 12th universal Console slot, and both Commander Science AND a Temporal Operative seating with a hybrid Ensign Miracle Worker Seat, Lieutenant Commander Engineering & Tactical.....

      We can call it the T7 Nova Science Mini Dreadnought...... avalible from the Lobi Store..... lol

      Another garbage post.

      You have no idea who reyan is at all. The only person you successfully mocked in this trash post is yourself.

      He has always had realistic and sensible expectations of for the T6 Nova, and do you really think he doesn't already know about the T5 version? really?

      Man.. get a clue.
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    • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,462 Arc User
      azrael605 wrote: »
      Reyan has been after a T6 Nova for years. He might even beat how long I've been asking for a Rom D-7 with Singularity & Rom Battle Cloak, which I first asked for in 2014.

      https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1164296/any-chance-of-a-romulan-styled-d-7-ktinga

      Well, he has not been asking for a T6 Nova for years considering that Tier 6 is still relatively new. ^_^

      However, Reyan has been asking for an updated model since the model of the Nova is among the oldest models playable in game. The model just looks dated and is in serious need of a little (.. or a lot) love.
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    • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
      I ask for nothing and expect nothing. Can I have another, Sir!! :)
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    • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
      pryor#5476 wrote: »
      The T2 Nova is where it's supposed to be, the T5FU is already overkill for that ship, but hell..... they already got some ridiculous T6 ships........ such as the T6 Maukee Raider, might as well do a 31st Century Temporal version of it that allows you to choose the the Old Nova skin.

      Then I guess that Voyager is what? a T3 ship? Because the Equinox gave Voyager a heck of a fight, almost took it down.

      The Rhode Island was in service through the finale of Voyager and in STO is still a prominent ship in service in the Delta Quadrant. Heck, there is even a refit version in service all the way into the 26th century, there is one present in the Battle of Procyon V in the Enterprise episode. T2? lol.. whatever man.
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    • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
      pryor#5476 wrote: »
      I guess I'll have to agree with yall....... Bring on the mini Dreadnoghts

      I don't think anyone expects the Nova to be a Dreadnought.. basically just a slight improvement on the T5 variant. No one is asking to make it some type of god ship.. just a solid ship like the T5 version. The requests for features of the Nova have been quite reasonable overall.
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    • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,714 Community Moderator
      reyan01 wrote: »
      So again, why would the Nova/Rhode Island be the exception?

      Because it's...exceptional. :sunglasses:
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    • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,410 Community Moderator
      coldnapalm wrote: »
      Because it hasn't god damn happened yet.... Serious, they have the skeleton for it on short dev time and a storyline hero ship no less...and they pick a wreckage from ONE FRAKING SCENE over this ship. I take that as an exception personally.

      While picking the New Orleans is rather odd... it does open the door to the rest of the Wolf 359 Fleet, which hasn't really been seen in any official capacity. People have made them for mods, but to actually get even one in an officially licensed game...

      In terms of canon ships yet to be made, the Wolf 359 fleet is pretty much all that's left that I can think of outside of Discovery ships.

      Anyways... I wonder if the Nova's next on the list. Think about it... we've had a Tactical ship with the New Orleans, and now a Cruiser with the Ambassador. I'd say we got a 1 in 3 chance that a science bundle is next. And the Nova would be perfect for it.

      As to WHEN... I don't know. We got AoD coming up, with a bunch of Discovery ships, and we got Winter Event after that, with whatever ship we get for that, then we got the Anniversary shortly after that.

      I'm happy KDF got their T6 Vor'cha, and look forward to eventually flying one myself on mine, but it is about time the Nova got a bit of love. The guy they got helping with ship models is doing an incredable job. Wonder what he'd do with the Nova...
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      Yang Xiao Long wrote:
      I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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    • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,410 Community Moderator
      reyan01 wrote: »
      AoD is just around the corner. Feels like there just isn't time for anything non-Discovery to be released at this point.

      I don't doubt that AoD is gonna take up a lot of time. BUT... as I said... its possible. We've now got two fan favorite ships at T6, and we got an unexpected surprise in the New Orleans. A T6 Nova may not be right around the corner... but I have a feeling it is on the radar.
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      Yang Xiao Long wrote:
      I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
      The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,007 Arc User
      Get Tobias Richter, the work he did on the Excelsior is stunning
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      • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,410 Community Moderator
        theraven2378 wrote: »
        Get Tobias Richter, the work he did on the Excelsior is stunning

        He's the guy I think STO's working with already. He also remodeled DS9 as well. I remember hearing on a livestream they wanted to get him to help with as many models as they can...
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        Yang Xiao Long wrote:
        I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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      • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
        edited September 2018
        pryor#5476 wrote: »
        The Nova was not intended to be a Powerhouse like the T5FU Nova........... it's a small ship, designed for the purpose of strength in numbers so that from an economic stand point, resources can be used to quickly put out a fleets of small science ships THAT ARE EXPENDABLE ....... to expose and cripple enemy ships fighting along side and communicating with Steam Runners so that the more expensive Excelcier battle cruisers can move in and finish them off, backed up by by much more powerful Command Ships and Dreadnoughts.
        Coordinating in this manner allows you to suffer minimal loses or no loses at all, allowing damaged ships to fall back and make repairs as the fight continues.

        To build a T5FU Nova is a waiste of resources and thus would not exist.......
        Now a larger version that looks the same that was designed for a specific role is in order.
        But this is just a game......... Bring on the mini Dreadnought as if we don't already have enough.

        So, it's a waste of resources to take an already solid ship that's a little behind the curve and retrofit it, but it's fine to design and build an entirely new line of ships from the ground up?

        You consider it a waste then people put new engines in cars? Is that a better use of resources then just building an entirely new car from the ground up? The statement that the Nova is an expendable ship designed for a 'strength in numbers' approach is completely unsupported anywhere either in canon lore or in Star Trek Online. It's nothing but a completely unsubstantiated personal opinion on which you're building you're entire flawed argument. You're also assuming material and research expenditures as none of this information is provided either. You have no idea how much it 'costs' Starfleet to conceptualize, research and build a ship vs. the cost of retrofitting. The movies and shows however, show many examples of many ships being retrofitted on a regular basis so it stands to reason that it's an efficient technique for Starfleet. Heck the Enterprise E has some type of change or upgrade in every movie it appears in. The 1701-A was also retrofitted more then once as was the Excelsior. It's a common practice for Starfleet, it's where the game gets the idea.

        Nothing you have said in your entire statement is supported anywhere in canon or in STO. If you personally think a T6 Nova is a bad idea, then fine.. I get that. But please don't just make up things to support your case, it's not going to fool anyone.
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      • xuelxuel Member Posts: 169 Arc User
        mirrorchaos wrote: »
        You mean that Gaurdian cruiser clone? Not sure what the big deal is to be honest. just selling the same virtual stuff as they did when t6 first came out, just slightly different to the original design.

        I'm not a fan of it for good reason, cryptic put little to no effort into coming up with an original design recently. one thing i could never fault Cryptic for is original ship designs. but recently it is all clones of previous ships within the same tier. it is like Cryptic staff have no creativity left in their design and art departments.

        i really want to be be proved wrong though when Cryptic gets away from the ship cloning business.

        Well Cryptic does switch between updating current designs and making original designs. Just look at the Miracle Worker tug boats as a semi-recent example.
      • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,861 Arc User
        seriousdave wrote: »
        Again just proves that the guardian should have been an ambassador type in the first palce. Mixing those two ships would have been awesome.
        And honestly the guardian still has the better boff layout imo, same goes for the Vor’ral, great boff layout for a battle cruiser.
        Good for the kdf though, they didn't have a single cmdr./temporal ship outside the 31st bunch so that finally fills a gap. Might get the bundle just because I'd get a T6 Vor'Kang out of it.

        Well they have the D6...but that is SUPER expensive.
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