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I've been considering things that are inconsistent with Star Trek canon recently. So I have some minor thoughts on what could be fixed in the game. For starters, Lobi. Lobi is, canonically, next to worthless. Why does the Lobi Store even exist when DS9 indicated you could buy a thousand Lobi crystals for pocket change? Second, the Ferengi pride themselves on being able to get ANYTHING for the right price, and Quark himself has indicated he could get a capitol-class starship for Sisko for enough Latinum. Why aren't there Latinum-only ships from the Ferengi?
I'd personally also like to see more story missions. And here's some thoughts for new factions. How about a Mirror Universe storyline and faction? A Ferengi Trade Commission line would be interesting too, for those who play Ferengi. Further new storylines are a must. More ship customization would be nice too.
I'd personally also like to see more story missions. And here's some thoughts for new factions. How about a Mirror Universe storyline and faction? A Ferengi Trade Commission line would be interesting too, for those who play Ferengi. Further new storylines are a must. More ship customization would be nice too.
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Canon should never be taken as an absolute dictum of what can and can't be done in an IP. No writer, however meticulous, can ever envision what their decisions in one context may or may not preclude in later work. All long-running sci-fi franchises from Star Trek to Dune have retconned earlier events or simply changed key points in later stories, contradicting earlier statements. See. just about everything to do with the Tleilaxu (Dune).
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That's just not true. Up until they ended Enterprise, the people making Trek made a lot of effort to keep things consistent. They made some mistakes, and made some choices to ignore old info in service of a better story, but canon wasn't just thrown away wholesale until very recently. Look up Kellam de Forest if you get a chance, and that was all the way back to TOS (although he wasn't just focused on keeping things canonical, he worked that role as well).
As far as Lobi are concerned, they were really only seen that one time. And, as much as you want to believe Paris in Caretaker, he is the only source for thinking that the Lobi are not valuable. The truth was likely somewhere between the price Quark wanted and the price Paris suggested. Plus, supply, even if they are as ubiquitous in the Bajor Sector as Paris said, is only half of the input for value, there is also the question of demand, and since the Consortium decided to accept them as a currency, they must have some value somewhere else of which only they are aware.
I agree, though, that if the game had not already been using Latinum, then that would have been the consolation currency for the boxes, but Lobi were a nice touch.
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Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
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stuff like : replica nagus staff or gpl bar jewellery like Brunt has around his neck
: holodeck outfits ; ranging from the far west to sherlock holmes and naval enterprise era
: more emotes, but you got that covered in the phoenix box
: special haircuts, unlock them with hard earned Gpl!
100% agree, the Devs are missing such a market in this game, hell, even selling them as outfits in the store or lobi store.
Except that we get a ton of Latinum from the Ferengi Admiralty track. So honestly converting GPL to Lobi or Dilithium would harm the market or cut into Cryptic's income. Income that could be used to add more things to the game that we all love.
Transfer the Dilithium Store outfits over to GPL. 1.7-2 mil Dilithium for a CHARACTER unlock is ridiculous.
And I would like to see more use for GPL as well because outside of getting those account unlock stuff and the trophies... there's really NOTHING to spend it on really. All that Latinum collecting dust...
And yeah, I can't see there ever being a way to convert GPL into anything that's worth (or can be converted into) $. So no lobi-GPL or dil-GPL-zen exchanges. (all my characters have at least 1.5mil GPL from before the Ferengi Admiralty got nerfed. And have thousands of winter ornaments I could exchange into more GPL.)
It's an MMO. Even if it's based in a post-currency utopia, lore-wise, an MMO still needs some sort of currencies to function (whether it's an actual currency, or some grindable/stackable/tradeable item that the players in the game decide to make a currency. Like, say, lockbox keys.)
That's why I like that the Reputation currencies are exactly that, reputation. Something you can't buy or sell, something you have to earn for yourself, or trade birds for. It's a very Trek idea.
In a sense Energy Credits are not even a "physical" currency like GPL is. And hence why we don't get EC rewards from killing enemies like you would get gold in Neverwinter.
Just let us have SOMETHING.
Because who wants to destroy latinum?
No one would lose anything (the value of each item in your inventory stays the same - though the numbers would change). You would now buy ships with Latinum (making it the precious commodity all the NPCs in-game claim it is) and buy next to worthless Holo items with Lobi. Canon satisfied.
Do it Cryptic! Pull off that band-aid in one quick move! Doooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttt!!!!
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you can add so much things the player base will like, stuff like a resikan flute (the one that picard plays), Rikers trombone, Data's violin, watch people create ensembles on esd. Tap dance shoes with gpl plating, Dabo girl outfits, there is so many stuff you can do with the GPL Store!
but also other trinkets that showed up in the series, more regular civilian clothing will also be nice, some new tattoos are welcome too also maybe arm placement, a new design for only 10000 gpl? And if for some people the admiralty doesn't give enough, sell a million Gpl in the C-store for idk 500 zen? Cryptic you are really missing out on this.
You mean like blowing lots of money for voice acting cameos for a popcorn TRIBBLE duration in the story? Or the subpar writing? The broken battlezones or the stillborn queues that get swept under in favor of RA harvestings? What about the recycling of events that leave players feeling exhausted with the time-gates? How about the urination and defecation over the space balance revamp, by having leadfoot on the powercreep pedal? Perhaps the missing costumes, broken costume parts, or other promises that were cast aside? Which of the items/actions I just listed, would you love to have injected more? Which ones would you lob your money to have?
The work and confusion that would come with needing to switch lobi and latinum is absolutely not worth it even slightly. And outside of the main stores for each currency, there's still a billion ways to earn latinum currently, so what are we supposed to do about that? Play Dabo to earn lobi? Bribe people with bars of gold-pressed lobi? Maybe we should start changing the rules of acquisition too! "She can touch your lobes, but never your LOBI!" And while we're at it, replace the gold on the Nagus with lobi crystals. And you know what? Since we're just changing everything in the game with absolutely no regard for common sense or any sense of reasonable comprehension of the consequences, I say we change the game to make it more like Star Trek: Command Officer of the Bridge Variety and replace the entire game's code to make it an exact copy of a game that came out a billion years ago for an operating system so old it had to be run on punch cards.
I get it, it doesn't make much sense (Actually, it does. You just have to read into the lore like everyone else is saying and realize that lobi is a CURRENCY with FAKE VALUE like EVERY MODERN CURRENCY EVER), but you can't just drastically change things like that. It's ludicrous to suggest.
I'm going to stop you right there. This is 'Star Trek, The Game.' Not 'Star Trek, The Placemat' or 'Star Trek, The Canon Story.' Naturally the Devs will try and make it look and feel authentic, but games need to be functionally solid, not canon-accurate per se.
In this game, Lobi is a game mechanic, a means to buy Lobi equipment. And GPL is as good as worthless. Would be ever so nice if we could actually buy something useful with our Latinum one day, though.
To start with an Earth example, diamonds are basically worthless and very common. The only reason they are so expensive is because one company owns a monopoly on them. This allows them to restrict how many diamonds are in circulation, thus fixing the price.
Most likely, the lobi crystal consortium has somehow attained a monopoly on the lobi crystals and done the same.
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GPL should do....something. Or GPL for phoenix packs. SOMETHING.
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