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Removal of Federation Costume options for Jem'Hadar
elvnswords
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The latest patch removed various federation costume options for the new Jem'Hadar characters.
I saw this and thought it annoying at first but meh, whatever. Then I realized it also removed BOUGHT pieces from the costume options.
We have access for example to the intel costume for all characters, except now the Jem'Hadar. I bought the mining gear from the Dilithium Mine fleet holding. Cannot use it with my Jem'Hadar.
This means that without a warning we can waste dilithium and fleet credit on costumes our character cannot access. Additionally for some of us we SPENT before the change.
I urge you to open the costume creator back up to the Jem'Hadar, and consider opening it up more to other characters as well. We have canon instances of Federation characters wearing Klingon Armor, and our community is BIG on the whole "Space Barbie" play.
We deserve to be able to make the costumes and look of our characters our own, whether that be making canon outfits, or making our own standards.
I saw this and thought it annoying at first but meh, whatever. Then I realized it also removed BOUGHT pieces from the costume options.
We have access for example to the intel costume for all characters, except now the Jem'Hadar. I bought the mining gear from the Dilithium Mine fleet holding. Cannot use it with my Jem'Hadar.
This means that without a warning we can waste dilithium and fleet credit on costumes our character cannot access. Additionally for some of us we SPENT before the change.
I urge you to open the costume creator back up to the Jem'Hadar, and consider opening it up more to other characters as well. We have canon instances of Federation characters wearing Klingon Armor, and our community is BIG on the whole "Space Barbie" play.
We deserve to be able to make the costumes and look of our characters our own, whether that be making canon outfits, or making our own standards.
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Yeah, how dare someone want a feature that potentially cost players money to stick around!
Who ever heard of the captain of a Starfleet starship with a Starfleet crew wearing a standard Starfleet outfit? I sure am glad most of us here are smart enough to know how ridiculous that sounds!
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We should probably know by next Thursday if that particular axe was unintentional.
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It's not for the uniforms that the tread dissapears is for the insistence of gender issues with the Jem'hadar, anyway, we need acces to some parts or other uniforms for a lot of chars..
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The removal of costume options is disappointing, but I doubt they will go back on it. Customization is a large part of player experience and I generally oppose any decision that removes that customization unless there is an obvious story or setting related reason why it can't happen. Allowing Jem'Hadar access to a mining outfit is a perfect example of an option that didn't need to be removed.
Unless there is a game or story breaking reason, customization options should not be removed. Again, though it won't matter, it's clear that Cryptic is not accepting any 'feedback' on this issue. You'll probably have to discuss it further over on reddit since discussions aren't commonly allowed on this site under the current 'regime.'
I believe Cryptic overdid it a bit here, even locking out cross-faction outfits like the Intel Uniforms (which cleary states in its C-Store description that it is available to all captains).
I can understand locking out traditional Faction-specific uniforms, but the cross-faction ones? Not cool.
Edit: My bad, the C-Store says "every character on an account", not "all captains".
Bad move.
Starfleet uniforms being used by characters who aren't in Starfleet needed to be removed. Anything that is able to be used by every other faction should be able to be used by Jems as well.
Why though? What actual justification is there for taking away the Starfleet uniforms, aside from "hurr durr exclusivity"? If a Jem'Hadar is flying a Galaxy class starship, with a crew compliment of Starfleet and enlisted Federation officers, allied with the Federation to the point where they have all the rights and freedoms of said Federation, why in Q's name would they not be allowed to wear a Starfleet uniform?
Real World, I have no idea why the uniforms would be any different than the rest of the stuff that doesn't quite follow the show.
^^ Very much this! An astute and sensible analysis!
Same!
I run the risk of getting censored too, but, in the most general of terms, I do not appreciate topics declared an 'F.C.T', merely because someone doesn't like what they're hearing. An F.C.T, and feel free to correct me, was meant to block off endlessly recurring questions, to which known answers already exist. This costume thingy is an entirely new issue altogether.
It's all totally arbitrary. Starfleet characters can wear jem'hadar clothes, why not the reverse?
Yes, they did. Your Jem"Hadar isn't in Starfleet. As long as that distinction remains, even if there's no real difference between what he is and a Starfleet officer as far as game mechanics goes, he shouldn't be wearing a Starfleet uniform. You might want it as an option, but that's just not a good enough justification for it. The justification for taking them away is that your Jem'Hadar who is allied to Starfleet is not in Starfleet, the same way that your Romulan who is allied to Starfleet is not in Starfleet, and therefore can't use their uniforms. There is no evidence that they have all of the rights and freedoms of Federation citizens, and even if they did, they are still not in Starfleet, therefore they should not be wearing Starfleet uniforms.
Now I would be all for them removing factions mechanically, and then allowing us to fly whatever we want and wear whatever we want, but that isn't the game that we have, and as long as the game that we have has factions, even with just minuscule distinctions between them that might as well not even be there, then the uniforms of one faction should not be shared with the others.
You're sooooo missing the point, it's scary, really.
Our characters don't ask permission to use the clothes of all the bazillion other groups they're not members of. Why should Starfleet be any different? There is no evidence my jem'hadar cares about Starfleet's opinion as to his choice of outfit.
The problem is removing things like the Intel Uniform that are paid items that clearly state in their description that they're available to "all captains." If they want to draw a line at faction uniforms, that's cool by me.. but outfits outside of official faction gear should be free reign.
Except "all captains' was pre VIL. Either they never considered Jem'Hadar in a Intel Uniform (which doesn't make much sense anyway) or they over reacted by removing all of them from Jem'Hadar. I suspect it was easier to remove all federation costume options for Jem'Hadar, rather than selectively remove some.
That's incredibly asinine....but asinine in a way that I could imagine some SJW minded bureaucrat in Starfleet actually coming up with such a policy. I could actually see them giving a Fed-Rom or Fed'Hadar unfettered access to the Sol System, including Earth itself, not to mention strategic Starbases across the Federation, command Federation ships, lead Starfleet formations into battle, and even make political decisions for the Federation on occasion, all without blinking....but utterly getting the vapors at the idea of that same individual wearing a Starfleet uniform, even though they are functioning as a defacto Flag Officer in Starfleet. It's so ridiculous that it could actually happen.
Heck, they let just about anyone take up Federation citizenship now, according to Path of 2409, and they don't have to renounce their previous allegiances, either. Assuming the Republic allows it, a Fed-Rom could apply for citizenship and still be a Citizen of the Republic and a Flag Officer in it's Navy...I would imagine D'Tan would probably encourage it as then Starfleet couldn't legally stop you from going anywhere a Fed civilian can go....for instance, Paris....if they bother to limit a Fed-Rom or Fed'Hadar's movements, anyway....they probably don't.
Excuse me, nations don't let military personnel of other nations (legitimately) wear their uniforms in real life, either. My dad's a former US Navy officer. He did an exchange tour with the Royal Australian Navy when I was a kid, even earned a commendation from the RAN, but he was wearing his USN uniform the whole time just like he did when we moved back stateside. It's not "asinine", it's perfectly realistic: if you're playing a Jem or a Rom, you are not a Starfleet or KDF officer, therefore you do not get to wear the uniform.
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Did he command one of Her Majesty's Australian Ships on his tour? I'm guessing not. A Navy has only so many ships and many, many officers qualified to command them....a command tour is what every Cadet dreams of, they aren't going to give the few openings they have to an officer from a Ally, no matter how good they would be at it. In STO, OTOH, Romulans and Jem'Hadar can command the most modern warships thier adopted faction has available in the game's timeframe, lead entire formations of their faction into battle, and even make political decisions for their adopted faction when necessary. In today's world, that is simply not happening. Let's be real....the whole Romulan-Jem'Hadar situation is something no military would likely ever do. In STO, it is done because it's inconvenient for the devs to create full factions for the Dominion and Romulans....we all know this. I'm on X-Box so I don't know the particulars for the Jem'Hadar picking a faction, but to my Romulans it was pretty much made clear that this was a permanent assignment....they will be Starfleet (or KDF) Flag Officers in all but name until they retire to their stake on Mol'Rihan or die in action. Personally, I cannot imagine how anyone in Starfleet Command would think giving the codes to access Sol System to a Romulan, much less a Jem'Hadar, is a good idea. Or commanding a modern starship of theirs, either. But it's canon in STO, so it is what it is. And since it is....yes, giving a toon the kind of power and authority they have, then getting the vapors over them wearing a uniform that reflects the reality of their position is asinine.
2. Do you really think that an ally is granted unfettered access everywhere? That Fleet Admiral Participation Pip is going to just let Hadar'ade the Honored Derp to wander and sniff around that weapon facility, offering a smile and everlasting bottle of root beer? **** no, he/she wouldn't! Despite Cryptic trying to write each faction as part of the Carebear Club, every nation has their secrets, including secrets that they wouldn't want others to know about. Even D'Tan is hiding stuff that he doesn't want to share, with his allies.
If you want to have a Starfleet'Hadar, roll an alien, have him enlisted in Starfleet. Then you can have your Fed uniform.
With that being said, I don't think that the characters should get **** totally out of neutral outfits such as Mercenary, or Intelligence Uniform.
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And that's my issue. Heck, even the KDF can't wear the Mercenary outfits! Really? Orion slavers and rebel Gorn can't wear MERCENARY outfits, they're supposed to wear uniforms?!? I've got a separatist Gorn pirate in a KDF-side pirate Fleet, and my cutthroat crew and I can't wear this supposedly civilian stuff. Well, that's unprofitable for Cryptic. I have no Fedside characters who would touch that stuff, but my Gorn would literally kill to get it. Go on, put it in as a reward for an assassination or dreadnought-jacking - I dare you!
Then again, we've never gotten the 23c. Gorn outfits we were promised, so he's not holding his breath.
Starsword, I salute your father for his service! However, I'm guessing he wasn't holding the rank of Fleet Admiral in his time with the Australian Navy, was he? He probably didn't command his own Australian flagship, am I right? The silly part isn't what our Jemmies and Roms CAN'T have of their allies' stuff, but what they CAN! But until a certain lead retires to a nursing home, thus leaving the less bigoted Devs free to put faction diversity back into the game, we're all stuck with inane and frustrating situations like this. I understand the real life sanctity and importance of uniforms. But the game we have comes down to this:
Please Mr./Ms. Member of Recently Enemy State, take my fully armed and crewed state-of-the-art flagship. and go do whatever you want with it - hell, you can even rearm it with agonizer phasers and protomatter torpedoes and go commit war atrocities with it - ...but don't wear that shirt! It's not the last part of that sentence that's silly, it's the first part.
Yes, it was pre VIL but it's still advertised on the store as working for 'all captains.'
They are selling the item for money (sure, you can buy with Dilithum too) so they have a certain responsibility to keep the products 'as advertised.' If they added a faction later that now can't use the uniform then they should go back and alter the description in the C-Store. Right now, they are advertising an item for sale with a feature that it doesn't actually have.
There's a term for that: laziness. :P