> @davefenestrator said: > Just because men played the Jem'Hadar on TV does not mean they are males. > > Can anyone point to a non-fanfic source that says the species (vs. human actors) has any genitalia at all? If not, it's not an "all male" race at all, it's a sexless race. You're then free to think of your Jem'Hadar captain as female, since that's exactly as (not) correct as thinking of them as male.
There is more to male physology then a TRIBBLE. They have the bone structure, musculture of males. That being said I doubt they have a gender or sense of being male, or a sexual orientation, except for maybe the occasional pre genetic engineering throw back among them.
As has been stated many times already, the Jem'Hadar race is a genetically engineered race that is cloned specifically for war. There are no male or female Jem'Hadar. The Vorta are not fighters. I can not recall a single time a Vorta fired a weapon. They are administrators in the Dominion. There are other races in the Dominion but the reason they would not be included is simple. Free thought. The Dominion has complete control over the Jem'Hadar who live only to serve and die for the Founders. Any other subservient race only serve out of fear. Give them weapons and they just may turn them on you.
As for the Cardassians not being included in the Dominion, that is even easier to explain. During the Dominion War, the Dominion started using the Cardassians as cannon fodder. Many of the Cardassian leaders realized this and turned on the Dominion. The Dominion even started a "Scortched Earth" policy on Cardassia. In the closing battles of the war, the Cardassian fleets joined the Alliance to defeat the Dominion. There is a lot of bad blood between the two powers.
Going on the basis that they were a preexisting race that the founders modified (which appears to have been what the writers agreed they are), would there even be a benefit to making them a race of eunuchs?
Phasing out the females in favor of artificial reproduction makes sense, but removing the genitals from the design seems like something the founders would consider not worth their attention. Seems a pretty trivial change.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave some Jem’Hadar female voices. Especially if there are any particularly sympathetic characters. Bad guys will definitely have male voices for sure, if the last couple of story arcs are any indication.
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Going on the basis that they were a preexisting race that the founders modified (which appears to have been what the writers agreed they are), would there even be a benefit to making them a race of eunuchs?
Phasing out the females in favor of artificial reproduction makes sense, but removing the genitals from the design seems like something the founders would consider not worth their attention. Seems a pretty trivial change.
It's possible that it was considered as a possible distraction. A good comparison would probably be the concept of women on the front lines in modern warfare. Back in the 1940s it was unheard of, as views on the capabilities of women were rather... er...
Anyways... to be the MOST effecient soldiers, the Founders may have done it in order to remove ALL POSSIBLE distractions from their duty to serve the Dominion. I mean how well do you think your genetically engineered soldier is going to fight if he's daydreaming about getting laid or distracted by female anatomy?
If they didn't... pretty sure the Jem'Hadar might have suffered a significant performance drop at the first encounter with Orions. Because you know what they say about Orion Women. No humanoid male can resist them. In the case of the Jem'Hadar... that's not true, because they don't care one way or the other.
lolol people wanting female jem'hadar.... thats funny TRIBBLE right there...
should Vorta be available to the faction? Sure... but then again Caitians should have been allowed for AoY characters too
The Vorta do not command anything. They are in effect bureaucratic shills who enforce the Jem'Hadar's loyality with the white, they're basically NKVD Commissars. Ultimately the First commands the crew and the Vorta passes down the orders from the Founders. The Vorta are political and the Jem'Hadar are military.
Jem'hadar do not eat or sleep or have carnal desires. Which disappointed Jadzia Dax very much
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Going on the basis that they were a preexisting race that the founders modified (which appears to have been what the writers agreed they are), would there even be a benefit to making them a race of eunuchs?
Phasing out the females in favor of artificial reproduction makes sense, but removing the genitals from the design seems like something the founders would consider not worth their attention. Seems a pretty trivial change.
It's possible that it was considered as a possible distraction. A good comparison would probably be the concept of women on the front lines in modern warfare. Back in the 1940s it was unheard of, as views on the capabilities of women were rather... er...
Anyways... to be the MOST effecient soldiers, the Founders may have done it in order to remove ALL POSSIBLE distractions from their duty to serve the Dominion. I mean how well do you think your genetically engineered soldier is going to fight if he's daydreaming about getting laid or distracted by female anatomy?
If they didn't... pretty sure the Jem'Hadar might have suffered a significant performance drop at the first encounter with Orions. Because you know what they say about Orion Women. No humanoid male can resist them. In the case of the Jem'Hadar... that's not true, because they don't care one way or the other.
First, it's specifically a Jem'Hadar Faction not a Dominion Faction due to the nature of its storyline (I specifically asked for clarification on this). Second, Jem'Hadar themselves are genderless, so the notion of gender doesn't apply to them. The only way to get as close as possible to depicting a genderless character model is with the male model for obvious reasons. In the livestream it was even stated that they would love to remove the gender buttons from the Tailor for Jem'Hadar, but cannot because it would cause things to break. But you're encouraged to roleplay your Jem'Hadar as female if you so choose.
Additionally, it was also stated that the VIL storyline is very Jem'Hadar-centric, so playing as any other race wouldn't make sense from that perspective. Adding Vorta wasn't stated as something "they want to do", but rather something that they weren't entirely ruling out, because there's "always a chance" that they might. Someday.
All of that being said, this topic is already looking like it's attracting some flame/trollish comments that has the potential to spiral out of control, not to mention some that are veering into some odd terrritory. So, why no female options? The explanations have already been given by Cryptic. And in the interest of keeping this thread from blowing up into a big argument. /Thread
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> Just because men played the Jem'Hadar on TV does not mean they are males.
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> Can anyone point to a non-fanfic source that says the species (vs. human actors) has any genitalia at all? If not, it's not an "all male" race at all, it's a sexless race. You're then free to think of your Jem'Hadar captain as female, since that's exactly as (not) correct as thinking of them as male.
There is more to male physology then a TRIBBLE. They have the bone structure, musculture of males. That being said I doubt they have a gender or sense of being male, or a sexual orientation, except for maybe the occasional pre genetic engineering throw back among them.
As for the Cardassians not being included in the Dominion, that is even easier to explain. During the Dominion War, the Dominion started using the Cardassians as cannon fodder. Many of the Cardassian leaders realized this and turned on the Dominion. The Dominion even started a "Scortched Earth" policy on Cardassia. In the closing battles of the war, the Cardassian fleets joined the Alliance to defeat the Dominion. There is a lot of bad blood between the two powers.
Phasing out the females in favor of artificial reproduction makes sense, but removing the genitals from the design seems like something the founders would consider not worth their attention. Seems a pretty trivial change.
It's possible that it was considered as a possible distraction. A good comparison would probably be the concept of women on the front lines in modern warfare. Back in the 1940s it was unheard of, as views on the capabilities of women were rather... er...
Anyways... to be the MOST effecient soldiers, the Founders may have done it in order to remove ALL POSSIBLE distractions from their duty to serve the Dominion. I mean how well do you think your genetically engineered soldier is going to fight if he's daydreaming about getting laid or distracted by female anatomy?
If they didn't... pretty sure the Jem'Hadar might have suffered a significant performance drop at the first encounter with Orions. Because you know what they say about Orion Women. No humanoid male can resist them. In the case of the Jem'Hadar... that's not true, because they don't care one way or the other.
should Vorta be available to the faction? Sure... but then again Caitians should have been allowed for AoY characters too
That does make sense.
Additionally, it was also stated that the VIL storyline is very Jem'Hadar-centric, so playing as any other race wouldn't make sense from that perspective. Adding Vorta wasn't stated as something "they want to do", but rather something that they weren't entirely ruling out, because there's "always a chance" that they might. Someday.
All of that being said, this topic is already looking like it's attracting some flame/trollish comments that has the potential to spiral out of control, not to mention some that are veering into some odd terrritory. So, why no female options? The explanations have already been given by Cryptic. And in the interest of keeping this thread from blowing up into a big argument. /Thread
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