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Sit in on one of the strangest press conferences in the universe of Star Trek, and find out how the Sarcophagus returned to the galaxy, in our latest fiction blog!

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10775424
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    So I guess whatever was classified about the Discovery's mission, a lot of it isn't anymore in the 25th century.
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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    Oh wow... dead archaeologist walking... thats like the kdf 'willingly' handing over its secret technologies like the plasmonic leech to be sold to all

    ..oh wait... :lol:

    Even so, that guys got to be exiled for this...its one thing discovering...its another to sell it.
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  • jcsteelejcsteele Member Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Tortoth may not be the only walking corpse, if the members of the Lobi Consortium had a hand in its refit...
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    The blogs are pretty good regardless, but this one was a notch better, imo, nicely done.
  • mneme0mneme0 Member Posts: 498 Arc User
    I... um... wow. I was not expecting this...
  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,285 Arc User
    *Looks at Tortoth*

    /emote Discommendation

    Dead man walking indeed.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,462 Arc User
    Does anyone need a reason why the war against the klingon empire should be restarted this instant.
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  • galattgalatt Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    > @iamynaught said:
    > *Looks at Tortoth*
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    > /emote Discommendation
    >
    > Dead man walking indeed.

    To paraphrase Mulan:

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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    ambassadorkael#6946 wrote: »
    Sit in on one of the strangest press conferences in the universe of Star Trek, and find out how the Sarcophagus returned to the galaxy, in our latest fiction blog!

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10775424

    Here I was thinking it was finally a diplomatic ovature to allow Klingons to visit Risa throughout the year as a way of solidifying the Alliance.... :cry:
  • ulukayxulukayx Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Wait, I thought Star trek discovery was part of the Kelvin timeline?

    I love the show, but with the high tech look everything has, completely different Klingons, spore drive tech and Spocks formerly unknown adopted human sister as the main character it doesn't really seem to fit into the original timeline.
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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    Okay... who turned on the TRIBBLE defender bat signal? 'Fess up!
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    I thought the salt over the Kelvin Timeline was bad, but the hatred over Discovery is rapidly approaching the impotent rage beyond that level.

    It's disappointing that fans of the Star Trek franchise (who have complained for years that we haven't had a new Star Trek show) can't even sit down and enjoy Discovery.

    But that's what being a Star Trek fan is all about. Hating on the newest Star Trek thing for trivial reasons is part of the experience.

    With fans like some of you, you don't even need CBS Studios or JJ Abrams to ruin the franchise. You do a good enough job of it yourself.

    Stay the course, Cryptic. More Discovery assets are what I'm craving now. Blogs like this really help, although part of me would love to see Tortoth executed for apostasy.​​
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  • warhammeredwarhammered Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    ulukayx wrote: »
    Wait, I thought Star trek discovery was part of the Kelvin timeline?

    I love the show, but with the high tech look everything has, completely different Klingons, spore drive tech and Spocks formerly unknown adopted human sister as the main character it doesn't really seem to fit into the original timeline.

    This is exactly how I feel about DIS. It just doesn't belong anywhere else but the already upgraded (and Bald Klingons as well) JJ Trek universe. It's still a great Sci-Fi (if not Kelvin Trek) show.

    And the CBS defenders are just sad. There's no independent thought process in that argument that "CBS makes it, so it must be law." (Political statements are against the ToS; comments moderated out. - BMR) Just because something is, doesn't make it right and good for us. Example: Remember TNG Andorians? I try not to either, and luckily neither did ENT. The show's creators are fallible, sadly, and this is just the epitome of it. Accepting it doesn't help. It only defends poor continuity and change without a real reason and logic behind it. (And no, being cool is not a valid reason. It's lame and short-sighted.) It makes an established universe poor, diluted and incomprehensible in the long-term as we're seeing now. It may as well just go open and erase the 'prime' timeline. (Seems like that's CBS's goal now to fight against Paramount.)

    Anyways. Bad interpretations of canon aside, the Walker class actually fits in the STO 25th century game. So I'll be glad to see that one. Good work on the model assets. I'll welcome the others as fitting in the with Kelvin universe, or even some other alternate one again. There's room for that with a reasoned and logical approach. Not just blind willy-nilly Whiskey Tango Foxtrot facepalm shoe ins.
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  • christopher082christopher082 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    It pains me to say this, but Disco as a show is tolerable. I hate the redesigned Klingons and tech retcons. The blog however, is impressive. It gives me vibes of the beginning of Stargate SG1. Fringe scientist finally finding proof validating him.
    I think looking at Disco through the lens of this story will help me accept it easier.
  • alcmaeonidaealcmaeonidae Member Posts: 61 Arc User

    "Its been stated numerous times it's Prime timeline, even before the show came out CBS stated it several times."

    Stating something does not make it true. It just means CBS was trying to head off criticism by telling us a lie. And that they have repeated the lie.

    Discovery works fine as an alternate timeline. There are too many discrepancies between it and the original timeline to say it's the Prime timeline. And it doesn't matter how many times CBS (or Cryptic) claims otherwise.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    shlomoishtov11 wrote: »
    For the love of G-d, make it stop. Please don't pollute the game with this garbage. It is bad enough you already have millenials riding around in JJ abominations, now you want to put Discovery in the game. Discovery is so bad it actually makes Star Trek V look sexy. Please don't put this garbage in the game.
    Why should your preferences take precedent over another person's preferences?
    iconians wrote: »
    It's disappointing that fans of the Star Trek franchise (who have complained for years that we haven't had a new Star Trek show) can't even sit down and enjoy Discovery.
    To be fair, we don't know which of them wanted a new series, nor if any of that set overlaps at all with the rage-filled haters.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,450 Community Moderator
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Actually there is as usual a very small minority that are pissing and moaning about Discovery. Just as it was a tiny minority that bitched about TNG, and so on for every single iteration of the franchise. As is also usual these people have a massively inflated belief in their numbers, influence, etc.

    Doesn't help that they are also QUITE vocal as well.

    Anyways...
    galatt wrote: »
    "All right, that's it! Discommendation! Discommendation on your whole family!
    Discommendation on you, Discommendation on your targ..."

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    badgerpants999 wrote: »
    I wouldn't complain if the gave us a new Star Trek show. I just cannot see Discovery as Star Trek.
    It might be because what you define as a "Star Trek serries" is fundamentally dient than what the Star Trek authorities define as a "Star Trek series". And, no offense, they're the authorities.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    shlomoishtov11 wrote: »
    For the love of G-d, make it stop. Please don't pollute the game with this garbage. It is bad enough you already have millenials riding around in JJ abominations, now you want to put Discovery in the game. Discovery is so bad it actually makes Star Trek V look sexy. Please don't put this garbage in the game.

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    burstorion wrote: »
    Okay... who turned on the TRIBBLE defender bat signal? 'Fess up!
    warhammered wrote: »
    And the CBS defenders are just sad.

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    iconians wrote: »
    I thought the salt over the Kelvin Timeline was bad, but the hatred over Discovery is rapidly approaching the impotent rage beyond that level.

    It's disappointing that fans of the Star Trek franchise (who have complained for years that we haven't had a new Star Trek show) can't even sit down and enjoy Discovery.

    But that's what being a Star Trek fan is all about. Hating on the newest Star Trek thing for trivial reasons is part of the experience.

    With fans like some of you, you don't even need CBS Studios or JJ Abrams to ruin the franchise. You do a good enough job of it yourself.

    Stay the course, Cryptic. More Discovery assets are what I'm craving now. Blogs like this really help, although part of me would love to see Tortoth executed for apostasy.​​

    I can always count on you to be a voice of reason in troubled threads.
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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Guess someone can't comprehend a joke... did you need a :grin: to make it clear?

    -insert Joker "why so serious?" meme here-
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    -Every Trek show has looked more advanced then the last, even ENT, which was a prequel, because our perceptions of what is high tech in the future changed year by year, so the shows change as they are made to reflect that
    That's true in a certain way, BUT while DS9, ENT and VOY has a more advanced tech, they made a conscious effort to respect the TOS aesthetics as a respect to TOS. DS9 and ENT recreated the whole bridge and DS9 used stock footage they tweaked.

    They could have gone the easy way and say "the easthetics don't fit our current views, we visually retcon the whole thing and the fans will have to deal with it!", but instead, they had the characters acknowledging it and going between "It's an older style, sir, but it checks out and the uniforms are cool" and "wow, this looks so 60s, but it's obliterating all the Empire's enemies with nothing stopping it, we're keeping it!"

    It's always both funny and sad when you see that, no matter what, you'll have a ever-growing of "Stop saying everything is black and white! Let me show you by telling how your opinion is the lamest black and mine is the coolest white!".

    And even if you provide several reasons you don't like something enough to support it and even if you talk about the positive stuff, you'll be attacked as a hater who hates everything/changes/different opinion/the new world/the old world, torpedoing any possible constructive debate. Which in turn makes having debates becoming less and less of a trend being replaced by a strict "you're with us or against us, even if you're just at 55% against and 45% ". You either love or like something, but if you can't like something because you think the cons outweigh the pros, you're automatically a hater, and vice-versa.

    Personally, I hate Discovery, but there are things I like, but those things aren't enough compared to those I hate.

    Same with the Last Jedi. I don't like, despite some good and very good (like the green part) things it and my main reason is I hate anything where the plot happens because characters act like idiots (except horror comedies where it's the point, of course. Oh boy is TLJ incredibly guilty regarding that point) or don't act like they're established they should (looking at you, black-bearded Skywalker).


    And then, there is also the "they own the stuff, they know best" argument which, history has proven, is far from being true in many cases.

    As another poster said in another thread, remember Highlander 2 and how it utterly annihilated the canon and coolness of the first movie, despite being considered canon by the franchise owners?
    Remember how Alien Covenant destroys the established canon, removing the most iconic and beloved monster of the last 3 decades, the Alien Queen, and dropping a bridge on the mystery of the Space Jockeys in favor of an unlikable genius android with a god complex as the Xenomorphs' creator?
    Remember the Star Wars Holiday Special for... everything?
    Remember VOY: Treshold where excessive speed from the space-time continuum is guaranteed to turn you into a newt/atfish hybrid that can be cured by anti-matter?


    Yeah, they're canon (except the Holiday Special anymore, thankfully), but that doesn't mean we have to accept, love this or even let the franchise owners think they did everything right.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    criticalthinker wrote: »
    Just because they are the minority does not neccessarily mean they are wrong and just because its put on your plate does not mean its palatable and you have to eat it.

    Sometimes the majority opinion is just wrong. This isn't always the case and not everything new is bad. As I said before, I love the Kelvin Timeline films and think they represent some of the best Trek has to offer. I do not hold this opinion about Discovery because I have serious qualms about its quality of storytelling and do not just accept that CBS knows best. The grounds on which you have chosen to formulate your opinion about Discovery on this thread are appeals to popularity and authority, both of which are serious logical falacies.
    Well since we're calling out fallacious arguments now, no one's opinion is "wrong". That's what makes it an opinion. A subjective view. Now if someone makes a statement that is factually contridictory to what reality gives us and is claiming that as an opinion, that would be fallacious as well.

    Everyone's opinion is a valid one when concerning any Trek series(or any fiction, for that matter), but the key here is claiming that TRIBBLE is not a Star Trek series when the authorities on Star Trek ever since Gene Roddenberry passed away(which, in case you missed it is CBS) clearly present it as such is patently wrong, no matter what we say about it. They own the property, and can present the property in any way they want, and we as mere fans cannot honestly say that they do not "know best". They are the ones that decide what's best. The author of any fiction gets to decide what's best for their fiction, period.

    They might not take the fiction to where fans want it to go. But that happens sometimes. And that fact is hard for raging fans to grasp, but it is a demonstrable fact of the world of fiction as a whole. Sorry.
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  • badgerpants999badgerpants999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    It's disappointing that fans of the Star Trek franchise (who have complained for years that we haven't had a new Star Trek show) can't even sit down and enjoy Discovery.​​

    I DID sit down and watch Discovery, I gave it 2 full episodes. What I saw made me want nothing to do with the series!

    orangeitis wrote: »
    badgerpants999 wrote: »
    I wouldn't complain if the gave us a new Star Trek show. I just cannot see Discovery as Star Trek.
    It might be because what you define as a "Star Trek series" is fundamentally different than what the Star Trek authorities define as a "Star Trek series". And, no offense, they're the authorities.

    I agree that they're the Authorities on what gets made. I agree that my definition of a Star Trek series differs from theirs. I also agree that, if I don't like what they've done with the series, I have the right to not touch it with a 10 foot pole! I won't be touching Discovery. EVER!
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    badgerpants999 wrote: »
    I agree that they're the Authorities on what gets made. I agree that my definition of a Star Trek series differs from theirs. I also agree that, if I don't like what they've done with the series, I have the right to not touch it with a 10 foot pole! I won't be touching Discovery. EVER!
    I have no problem with that! :)
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    so when do we get the mission to assassinate this guy?

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,325 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    ulukayx wrote: »
    Wait, I thought Star trek discovery was part of the Kelvin timeline?

    I love the show, but with the high tech look everything has, completely different Klingons, spore drive tech and Spocks formerly unknown adopted human sister as the main character it doesn't really seem to fit into the original timeline.
    Its been stated numerous times it's Prime timeline, even before the show came out CBS stated it several times.

    For your list
    -Every Trek show has looked more advanced then the last, even ENT, which was a prequel, because our perceptions of what is high tech in the future changed year by year, so the shows change as they are made to reflect that
    -Klingons aren't that different, they are just bald, and wear more ceremonial armor because the ones we see are part of a cult
    -Spore Drive isn't that different from the Excelsior being used as a prototype for a transwarp drive.
    -Spock had a unmentioned brother in STV as well
    Not mention that as Vulcan(well technically half-Vulcan but Spock identifies more with the Vulcan culture to a point that might as well be full-blooded vulcan) Spock is very particural about some minor things, so yes it's perfectly in character for Spock to mention Burnham just like he didn't mention his half brother until it became relevant.
  • doggpatchdoggpatch Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    warhammered wrote: »
    ulukayx wrote: »
    Wait, I thought Star trek discovery was part of the Kelvin timeline?

    I love the show, but with the high tech look everything has, completely different Klingons, spore drive tech and Spocks formerly unknown adopted human sister as the main character it doesn't really seem to fit into the original timeline.

    This is exactly how I feel about DIS. It just doesn't belong anywhere else but the already upgraded (and Bald Klingons as well) JJ Trek universe. It's still a great Sci-Fi (if not Kelvin Trek) show.

    And the CBS defenders are just sad. There's no independent thought process in that argument that "CBS makes it, so it must be law." (Political statements are against the ToS; comments moderated out. - BMR) Just because something is, doesn't make it right and good for us. Example: Remember TNG Andorians? I try not to either, and luckily neither did ENT. The show's creators are fallible, sadly, and this is just the epitome of it. Accepting it doesn't help. It only defends poor continuity and change without a real reason and logic behind it. (And no, being cool is not a valid reason. It's lame and short-sighted.) It makes an established universe poor, diluted and incomprehensible in the long-term as we're seeing now. It may as well just go open and erase the 'prime' timeline. (Seems like that's CBS's goal now to fight against Paramount.)

    Anyways. Bad interpretations of canon aside, the Walker class actually fits in the STO 25th century game. So I'll be glad to see that one. Good work on the model assets. I'll welcome the others as fitting in the with Kelvin universe, or even some other alternate one again. There's room for that with a reasoned and logical approach. Not just blind willy-nilly Whiskey Tango Foxtrot facepalm shoe ins.

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  • doggpatchdoggpatch Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    (Reaction to moderated post removed - BMR)
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  • megawolf0megawolf0 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    I don't like the show and don't really care if these were added as they won't affect my gameplay fun and seems it isn't part of the main storyline and just something on the side.
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