BTW folks, I appreciate all the feedback here and strive to take some apt stuff on board to update the OP as much as possible without loosing the original concept from which other ideas can flow...
I like it. Only thing I would say is that the console and trait seem overpowered, especially for a non-lockbox ship. I would make the console's boost to power levels into an active ability, with a cooldown that would also be improved by the two console set bonus. And the trait, I would make that something that's triggered by BOff powers. Maybe have it triggered by shield heals? Or maybe tie it in with the specialization, have it activate when you use a pilot/miracle worker ability (with a lockout timer, say 45 seconds).
Check my revision in the quote of the stats.
Also, the Pilot seating would place it more in the raider/escort class. It being a sci ship, Temporal Operative or Miracle Worker would likely be the best two options here. Which I included the Temp Op seating in my revision.
I actually quite liked Reyan's suggestion a week or two ago that the T6 Nova be a scout ship, like the new Lukari ship. IMO it fits nicely with the ship's history, since it was one of the original concepts for the Defiant.
I like it. Only thing I would say is that the console and trait seem overpowered, especially for a non-lockbox ship. I would make the console's boost to power levels into an active ability, with a cooldown that would also be improved by the two console set bonus. And the trait, I would make that something that's triggered by BOff powers. Maybe have it triggered by shield heals? Or maybe tie it in with the specialization, have it activate when you use a pilot/miracle worker ability (with a lockout timer, say 45 seconds).
Check my revision in the quote of the stats.
Also, the Pilot seating would place it more in the raider/escort class. It being a sci ship, Temporal Operative or Miracle Worker would likely be the best two options here. Which I included the Temp Op seating in my revision.
I actually quite liked Reyan's suggestion a week or two ago that the T6 Nova be a scout ship, like the new Lukari ship. IMO it fits nicely with the ship's history, since it was one of the original concepts for the Defiant.
Yeah, I do like a nimble ship which is why I was torn on the specialization bridge officer station. But so long as the ship is nimble and fast in and of itself, that works in that respect for me. Besides, if the latest Endeavor system thought me anything...I need a freakin' Miracle Worker to keep my hull in tact at times yet still despite all my improvements and attempts.
Pilot or bust. Nova, being as small as it is, is a prime candidate for a Sci-Pilot, or Scilot, ship.
The skin should draw from the old Perpetual Studios concept art for the Tahoe-class, which seems to be similarly sized and laid out as the Nova. The broad, forward-swept pylons visually suit the idea of a Pilot ship. If they make it one of these new Scout ships (Science-oriented with Raider flanking) then you have a perfect storm of a T6 Nova.
Miracle Worker would be better saved for either a T6 Oberth (which would be a miracle in and of itself), a T6 Deep Space Science Vessel, or T6 Luna
Righty-O, I'm just gonna change that Lieutenant Science station right back to; Lieutenant Science/Pilot or Miracle Worker. Long live this bits ambiguity for the design. lol
I continue to hope this discussion will remain a beacon of hope for a T6 Nova class. I share many fears, but my hope is eternal in this regard...
Christmas is coming and I'm sure we Nova class fans have been good boys and girls. Plus, if this crops up in the news and C-Store, I think Cryptic will be amazed at the sales for such a ship regardless of size. It seems that any latest ship to crop up in the C-Store has many captains for a goodly while...such have been my observations and experiences.
And if we get the old, apt bridge and interior treatment I have noted that's typically as sign that the starship in question gets a rework of true to the show external remodel. Purdy please Cryptic, can you true-to-form remodel the ship and sell me a T6 Nova and sell me a bridge and interior? I reckon you'd have a surprising amount of sales for the favor.
If nothing else I shall fly this T6 Nova class design in my dreams...
I continue to hope this discussion will remain a beacon of hope for a T6 Nova class. I share many fears, but my hope is eternal in this regard...
Christmas is coming and I'm sure we Nova class fans have been good boys and girls. Plus, if this crops up in the news and C-Store, I think Cryptic will be amazed at the sales for such a ship regardless of size. It seems that any latest ship to crop up in the C-Store has many captains for a goodly while...such have been my observations and experiences.
And if we get the old, apt bridge and interior treatment I have noted that's typically as sign that the starship in question gets a rework of true to the show external remodel. Purdy please Cryptic, can you true-to-form remodel the ship and sell me a T6 Nova and sell me a bridge and interior? I reckon you'd have a surprising amount of sales for the favor.
If nothing else I shall fly this T6 Nova class design in my dreams...
Don't count on it. I've been waiting over three years, have made numerous threads about it and the only light at the end of his wormhole is a photon torpedo.
As for the rest, see my previous post.
And this is why you need to play the Star Trek Adventures RPG by Modiphius. The core rulebook has a Nova class to captain...
Well, I shall keep the light shining in the Nova class engineering design department window at ESD and hope that someday soon all good things will come to pass. This concept design dream has been great fun to explore with you folks thus far...and I hope the years of waiting for a T6 Nova class will be rewarded one day, and hopefully soon.
Borticus posted a poll on Twitter with a T6 Nova as one of the options.
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All this wishful thinking notwithstanding, I can't honestly say I am expecting to actually SEE a T6 Nova anytime soon. Reasons? okay:
1: The Devs don't care about it (or at least not enough to do anything with it)
2: It wouldn't be a 'must have' ship for many players
3: The playerbase generally seems to display a preference toward large ships.
4: There are better choices to receive the T6 treatment
And to break those lines of reasoning down:
1: The Nova model is horribly inaccurate - I would elaborate on this, but it would take too long. Lets just say that the fact the model having the wrong deflector (i.e it's supposed to have a 'dish' much the same as the Intrepid class) is only one of many inaccuracy issues on this model. And the model itself looks like something from a Playstation 1 game. As loyal as I am to the class, it really has become almost embarrassing to warp in and find myself parked next to any of the countless new or remodelled ships - the quality of the newer/remodelled ships really does stand out when they're parked alongside a ship that has received zero attention since STO's day one.
2: It's largely unknown. Heck, start a wish-thread about a T6 Nova (which I've been doing for almost four years now) and you almost always find a post submitted by someone who was unaware of the existence of the T5 Nova.
3: This point almost goes back to #2. Spend more than a few minutes at ESD. I'll wager that on any given day the vast majority of the ships there will be Vengeance class, Odyssey class or variants thereof, Galaxy class or variants thereof, Sovereign class or variants thereof, Scimitar etc etc. I.e. large ships. I played ISA just before I posted this just to try and prove this point to myself. Team consisted of me, Vesta class, a Yorktown class, a Vengeance Dreadnought and two of the new Miracle Worker ships.
And I am NOT saying that there are no smaller ships around. I am saying that the large ships seem to be favoured and outnumber them.
4: T6 Wells class anyone? Anything that could be given to a T6 Nova could just as easily be given to a T6 Wells. I mean, looking at those stats you posted - pop a Temporal seat in there somewhere, give it a console that works with it's existing ones, pop it in a lock box/R&D pack and watch the Zen come pouring in.
I'd also argue that the Oberth would be ahead in the queue, as it's a T1 starter ship, one of the first ships that players can potentially access in the game and has no endgame version at all.
Sorry, but I'm not convinced the Nova is even IN the queue for any sort of attention and I fully expect to be posting about my dream of a T6 Nova this time next year.
For somebody trying so hard to raise awareness, you seem awfully pessimistic about this.
I feel like most of the points you raise against your own cause are either pretty minor or virtually impossible to say with any certainty. I'll go point by point.
1: It's unfair to assume the devs "don't care about it," based solely on a lack of progress. There's probably a mountain of things they want to do, but can't for whatever reason. Citing length of time before getting a proper skin revamp isn't the best argument either seeing as there are still canon ships in this very game that still have poor models - the Cheyenne, the Olympic, the Saber, among others. If anything, barring possibly the Olympic and Oberth, the Nova is the only ship that's had screen time worth mentioning that hasn't had a revamp, meaning it's a prime candidate for one.
2: Unknown in the game or in general? I'd bet money more people know what the Nova is than knew what a Tellarite ship even looked like.
3: This seems like an incredibly petty reason to be discouraged at the prospects of a T6 Nova.
4: This is the only valid point in the list. There are certainly choices just as worthy of a T6 upgrade, and perhaps one or two that could fill the same niche as the Nova sans Pilot seat. T6 Luna comes to mind, given its slight Tactical lean. But they don't always do ships people are clamoring for - how many threads do you remember in the last three years asking for a Suliban FDC or a Caitian Escort?
I have a feeling we'll see one before this time next year. It may not be soon, but if they gave me a T6 Orion FDC, there's no reason in the world they won't eventually give you a T6 Nova.
Going off the above point, it's amazing just how powerful and resilient the fleet T5-U Nova class is in PVE and PVP affairs for such a small ship when outfitted well. I wonder how many people have tried this level of ship and found that out...but just have a different class of ship preference.
No matter, I just hope that ALL canon ships get some beautiful and well-deserved T6 treatment in game, the Nova class included.
OK Devs, forget the poll and just make the dang T6 Nova class already. Have a little faith in the tough, little ship...erhhh sorry, I said little Worf! lol
Have to say though, you say the third point I made was "petty" - yet guess what is winning the 'race' on that Twitter poll? Ambassador class. A (relatively) large ship.
It was also far and away one of the most requested ships of its time before it got a T5 version, so it shouldn't be surprising a T6 version would have a following.
Also I don't have a Twitter account so I can't check what's in the lead, but I'm going to assume the other ship ahead of it is the Vor'cha, which should also not be a surprise given it's the only iconic Klingon ship left without a T6 version.
Which further means the Oberth, one of the ships people keep bringing up as a potential alternative to a T6 Nova, is behind the Nova in votes.
I would be legitimately shocked if the Oberth were ahead of the Vor'cha, let alone the Nova.
My point being, while size may have a roll in "cool factor" for some, it has frak-all to do with the poll results.
Have to say though, you say the third point I made was "petty" - yet guess what is winning the 'race' on that Twitter poll? Ambassador class. A (relatively) large ship.
It was also far and away one of the most requested ships of its time before it got a T5 version, so it shouldn't be surprising a T6 version would have a following.
Overall the Ambassador is in the same boat as the Nova though. The T5-version was a limited time giveaway. After that we only had the T3-version and lateron a fleet-version.
I'm convinced that one or another way we might eventually see both ships with T6-versions. They will kinda have to fit in some sort of context though. Or when the next creative blockade comes up they might get back to working out T6-versions of these.
I bit the bullet and signed up for Twitter, and as of my vote, the Nova has 30% of the vote, barely edging out the Ambassador's 29% and slightly ahead of the Vor'cha's 27%.
I bit the bullet and signed up for Twitter, and as of my vote, the Nova has 30% of the vote, barely edging out the Ambassador's 29% and slightly ahead of the Vor'cha's 27%.
No matter where the Nova class comes in this poll...I hope it's a prelude to Cryptic making a T6 Nova class. And if you do Cryptic folk, you get a great big thank you cookie and a bundle of zen from me. lol
IO definitely think that the science scout sub-classification of science vessels would fit this ship, and as others have said a pilot seating would than match well alongside the science scout classification. Even the history of the Equinox an her crew in how they acted would fit this idea. THough a mw seat would not be that far off either, with the state of how the Equinox was in, and how they kept her intact an running even with being attacked at they were.
Not sure if giving a energy-specific damage boost even with a secondary weapon firing haste buff would be that great of an idea, as such a trait is very situational fitting abit more into the idea of a console/set. Yet it might fit more to have a trait that gives a feel that using certain doff-abilities grants you the ability to gain different buffs based on what kind of effect the ability does, and so working in quite an opportunistic manner as well as feel.
That's a longing for a T6 Nova winning out by 3% over the Vor'Cha and Ambassador in second place. Come on Cryptic Devs, I think the T6 leading want should be obvious here now. lol
And bless all you T6 Nova class voters BTW...you all get a great big thank you cookie from me...
That's a longing for a T6 Nova winning out by 3% over the Vor'Cha and Ambassador in second place. Come on Cryptic Devs, I think the T6 leading want should be obvious here now. lol
And bless all you T6 Nova class voters BTW...you all get a great big thank you cookie from me...
That poll. Is. Unnecessary.
I don't get why they don't just make all four of those ships within a month or two. It's not like the added stats or alternate designs would be that hard to figure out for such well-known ships.
FFS, Oberth is so low now they probably won't do it thanks to this poll. It seemed to be the next logical ship after they did the NX, Connie, and Miranda in order. Also I didn't get to vote.
I don't get why they don't just make all four of those ships within a month or two. It's not like the added stats or alternate designs would be that hard to figure out for such well-known ships.
Probably because it takes time for art assets to be made and abilities to be created and balanced, and they do have an expansion out on the horizon for next year, not to mention lockboxes to fill out.
Considering recent patterns, any new ship put out will probably be in a three-pack. The Ambassador would (hopefully) come packaged with a Kamarag and a Romulan equivalent, and the Nova would probably come with KDF and RR variants as well (a Scout Hegh'ta was an idea I saw put forth). Which means, assuming the Nova and Ambassador get quality pass remodels, a total of six new models. A lockbox typically only contains two or three.
Given all this, if they attack this poll in a timely fashion, I'd say best case is six to nine months before all but the Oberth is out.
The art of compromise says that a T6 Nova class should come for Federation folk alongside a T6 Vor'Cha for Klingons and...something, something T6 Romulan maybe.
Borticus posted a poll on Twitter with a T6 Nova as one of the options.
Can we get a link, if it's still available for vote? That way we'll know where to find it.
I found it myself...but it's closed. Anyhow, it's @borticuscryptic on Twitter if you care to find it yourself...as well as being the same name here on the discussion boards.
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Yeah, I do like a nimble ship which is why I was torn on the specialization bridge officer station. But so long as the ship is nimble and fast in and of itself, that works in that respect for me. Besides, if the latest Endeavor system thought me anything...I need a freakin' Miracle Worker to keep my hull in tact at times yet still despite all my improvements and attempts.
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Miracle Worker would be better saved for either a T6 Oberth (which would be a miracle in and of itself), a T6 Deep Space Science Vessel, or T6 Luna
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Christmas is coming and I'm sure we Nova class fans have been good boys and girls. Plus, if this crops up in the news and C-Store, I think Cryptic will be amazed at the sales for such a ship regardless of size. It seems that any latest ship to crop up in the C-Store has many captains for a goodly while...such have been my observations and experiences.
And if we get the old, apt bridge and interior treatment I have noted that's typically as sign that the starship in question gets a rework of true to the show external remodel. Purdy please Cryptic, can you true-to-form remodel the ship and sell me a T6 Nova and sell me a bridge and interior? I reckon you'd have a surprising amount of sales for the favor.
If nothing else I shall fly this T6 Nova class design in my dreams...
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And this is why you need to play the Star Trek Adventures RPG by Modiphius. The core rulebook has a Nova class to captain...
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For somebody trying so hard to raise awareness, you seem awfully pessimistic about this.
I feel like most of the points you raise against your own cause are either pretty minor or virtually impossible to say with any certainty. I'll go point by point.
1: It's unfair to assume the devs "don't care about it," based solely on a lack of progress. There's probably a mountain of things they want to do, but can't for whatever reason. Citing length of time before getting a proper skin revamp isn't the best argument either seeing as there are still canon ships in this very game that still have poor models - the Cheyenne, the Olympic, the Saber, among others. If anything, barring possibly the Olympic and Oberth, the Nova is the only ship that's had screen time worth mentioning that hasn't had a revamp, meaning it's a prime candidate for one.
2: Unknown in the game or in general? I'd bet money more people know what the Nova is than knew what a Tellarite ship even looked like.
3: This seems like an incredibly petty reason to be discouraged at the prospects of a T6 Nova.
4: This is the only valid point in the list. There are certainly choices just as worthy of a T6 upgrade, and perhaps one or two that could fill the same niche as the Nova sans Pilot seat. T6 Luna comes to mind, given its slight Tactical lean. But they don't always do ships people are clamoring for - how many threads do you remember in the last three years asking for a Suliban FDC or a Caitian Escort?
I have a feeling we'll see one before this time next year. It may not be soon, but if they gave me a T6 Orion FDC, there's no reason in the world they won't eventually give you a T6 Nova.
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No matter, I just hope that ALL canon ships get some beautiful and well-deserved T6 treatment in game, the Nova class included.
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It was also far and away one of the most requested ships of its time before it got a T5 version, so it shouldn't be surprising a T6 version would have a following.
Also I don't have a Twitter account so I can't check what's in the lead, but I'm going to assume the other ship ahead of it is the Vor'cha, which should also not be a surprise given it's the only iconic Klingon ship left without a T6 version.
Which further means the Oberth, one of the ships people keep bringing up as a potential alternative to a T6 Nova, is behind the Nova in votes.
I would be legitimately shocked if the Oberth were ahead of the Vor'cha, let alone the Nova.
My point being, while size may have a roll in "cool factor" for some, it has frak-all to do with the poll results.
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Overall the Ambassador is in the same boat as the Nova though. The T5-version was a limited time giveaway. After that we only had the T3-version and lateron a fleet-version.
I'm convinced that one or another way we might eventually see both ships with T6-versions. They will kinda have to fit in some sort of context though. Or when the next creative blockade comes up they might get back to working out T6-versions of these.
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You get a great big thank you cookie. lol
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Not sure if giving a energy-specific damage boost even with a secondary weapon firing haste buff would be that great of an idea, as such a trait is very situational fitting abit more into the idea of a console/set. Yet it might fit more to have a trait that gives a feel that using certain doff-abilities grants you the ability to gain different buffs based on what kind of effect the ability does, and so working in quite an opportunistic manner as well as feel.
28% T6 Vor'Cha
31% T6 Nova
13% T6 Oberth
28% T6 Ambassador
That's a longing for a T6 Nova winning out by 3% over the Vor'Cha and Ambassador in second place. Come on Cryptic Devs, I think the T6 leading want should be obvious here now. lol
And bless all you T6 Nova class voters BTW...you all get a great big thank you cookie from me...
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That poll. Is. Unnecessary.
I don't get why they don't just make all four of those ships within a month or two. It's not like the added stats or alternate designs would be that hard to figure out for such well-known ships.
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Probably because it takes time for art assets to be made and abilities to be created and balanced, and they do have an expansion out on the horizon for next year, not to mention lockboxes to fill out.
Considering recent patterns, any new ship put out will probably be in a three-pack. The Ambassador would (hopefully) come packaged with a Kamarag and a Romulan equivalent, and the Nova would probably come with KDF and RR variants as well (a Scout Hegh'ta was an idea I saw put forth). Which means, assuming the Nova and Ambassador get quality pass remodels, a total of six new models. A lockbox typically only contains two or three.
Given all this, if they attack this poll in a timely fashion, I'd say best case is six to nine months before all but the Oberth is out.
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Can we get a link, if it's still available for vote? That way we'll know where to find it.
I found it myself...but it's closed. Anyhow, it's @borticuscryptic on Twitter if you care to find it yourself...as well as being the same name here on the discussion boards.
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