My guess as to the stats are Commander Eng, Lt. Com Tac, Lt. Com Sci, Lt. universal, Ensign Eng.
For Specialization Miracle Worker (Commander & Ensign) or Temporal (one of the Lt. Commanders). Outside chance of Command or Pilot Lt. Commander.
Small chance of having a second hangar bay, like the Universe Cruiser, an exception to the rule that only carriers get two hangar bays.
If they really want to think outside the box, but came up with nothing, it could be the first and only Cruisers with a heavy weapon slot, but I doubt it.
Miracle Worker specialization isn't going to be available to players until sometime next month, so I very much doubt they'll release these (presumably) this Thursday with a specialist seat that nobody will be able to use the specialist abilities for for a month.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
The overall style of them does not appeal to me in general but I think the Orion is the best overall. The single hanger pretty much makes then a go-go for me as well as I'm not really a pet player. With that said, I do enjoy my T6 scimitar. I just launch the pet and forget it - sadly... Oddly enough it changes from instance to instance which is freaky to me but hey, I roll with the punches...
Anyway, I hope people buy them to support the game but unless there is a big sale in the C-store, chances are I will put off getting them as I dont see me actually playing them and I have a plethora of other none played ships already as a result of my effort to support the game and it is rather expensive to keep buying ships I dont use at full price given the prices for ships seems static.
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> @anodynes said: > Miracle Worker specialization isn't going to be available to players until sometime next month, so I very much doubt they'll release these (presumably) this Thursday with a specialist seat that nobody will be able to use the specialist abilities for for a month.
I figure it could be like with the Allied Escorts, which got a heavy weapon slot, before other ships. It's only hypothetical, my main guess is it will be Temporal, as the Suliban we're heavily involved in the Temporal Cold War.
Of course the Orion syndicate is know for it's Intel gathering ability among other things, so Intel isn't out of the question.
Wow, after looking at the stats.. I cannot be more underwhelmed.
Another bundle of Engineering heavy command cruisers, and to boot.. they lack the Weapon Systems Efficiency cruiser command.
Unless someone just really likes the way these things look, I cannot understand why anyone would consider buying them. When compared to other ships available at the same price..these things are mediocre at best. Just nothing here that makes them even remotely special.
Wow, after looking at the stats.. I cannot be more underwhelmed.
Another bundle of Engineering heavy command cruisers, and to boot.. they lack the Weapon Systems Efficiency cruiser command.
Unless someone just really likes the way these things look, I cannot understand why anyone would consider buying them. When compared to other ships available at the same price..these things are mediocre at best. Just nothing here that makes them even remotely special.
This one is an easy decision not to buy.
Yeah, they're basically the command cruisers with a rear weapon hardpoint moved up front and no inbuilt inspiration mechanic.
> @sunfrancks said: > seaofsorrows wrote: » > > Wow, after looking at the stats.. I cannot be more underwhelmed. > > Another bundle of Engineering heavy command cruisers, and to boot.. they lack the Weapon Systems Efficiency cruiser command. > > Unless someone just really likes the way these things look, I cannot understand why anyone would consider buying them. When compared to other ships available at the same price..these things are mediocre at best. Just nothing here that makes them even remotely special. > > This one is an easy decision not to buy. > > > > > Yeah, they're basically the command cruisers with a rear weapon hardpoint moved up front and no inbuilt inspiration mechanic. > > Not that great tbh..
No they aren't.
Command Cruisers have higher shields vs. FDCs have higher hull.
The FDCs have 2 Lt. Commanders and Ensign, The CCs have 3 lt.
An FDC can have 2 Lt. Commander Tacs and 1 Lt. Tac, none of the CCs can do that.
But of course the CCs have more Command goodies then CCs.
The FDCs have +1 turn rate, +.02 impulse speed, and +5 interia.
And they have very different Star Ship Mastery Packages, the CCs have Battlecruiser package, the FDCs have the Flight Deck Cruiser Package.
The CCs can arm Dual Cannons, but the FDCs can't but the FDCs are 5/3 weapon slots.
The FDCs come with very different pets/starship trait/console from CCs.
Unless someone just really likes the way these things look, I cannot understand why anyone would consider buying them. When compared to other ships available at the same price..these things are mediocre at best. Just nothing here that makes them even remotely special.
They beat the pants off the Resolute. Their Starship Trait at least makes sense for the ship. That could be the marketing tag line.
"Allied Flight Deck Cruisers: better than the Resolute"
ya know... if hangars were even 1/2 as common in Trek as they are in STO, itd have made for some more interesting stealth mission type episodes...
Im just kinda done with hangar ships for a while, I have what I need already.
Didn't most ships in Trek actually have hangars (not designed for fighters, but still hangars able to contain any kind of small crafts)? Even the Defiant had a small one for the Chaffee.
The Klingon (Orion) one has an ugly seam in the texture of any Material but the new one for the ship, and the new one just is boring. Basically, as usual, the Klingon option seems to have gotten the least attention to detail and has the biggest quality issues. I totally see why patrickngo has such a persecution complex.
And (@angrytarg might never speak to me again) the Tellarite ship is as ugly as its people.
The 5/3 layout might theoretically set them apart from the Command Cruisers they directly compete with, but since they can't actually use cannons and aren't all that maneuverable, it's just a gimmick you can do without.
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> @mustrumridcully0 said: > The Suliban ship is arguably the best looking. > > The Klingon (Orion) one has an ugly seam in the texture of any Material but the new one for the ship, and the new one just is boring. Basically, as usual, the Klingon option seems to have gotten the least attention to detail and has the biggest quality issues. I totally see why patrickngo has such a persecution complex. > > And (@angrytarg might never speak to me again) the Tellarite ship is as ugly as its people. > > The 5/3 layout might theoretically set them apart from the Command Cruisers they directly compete with, but since they can't actually use cannons and aren't all that maneuverable, it's just a gimmick you can do without.
Not at all. At least if you talk about ENTs weird interpretation. Otherwise I welcome more room in the mud baths for me xP
But the ship itself is actually not that pretty. I just take it as the only canon 'rite ship in existence. It's not bad either though. It's nice and round. Round things are good. Gameplay wise though I agree, it's not that great especially since I already had fantasized about it's STO incarnation years ago and this is pretty far off from what I liked to see.
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> @mustrumridcully0 said:
> The Suliban ship is arguably the best looking.
>
> The Klingon (Orion) one has an ugly seam in the texture of any Material but the new one for the ship, and the new one just is boring. Basically, as usual, the Klingon option seems to have gotten the least attention to detail and has the biggest quality issues. I totally see why patrickngo has such a persecution complex.
>
> And (@angrytarg might never speak to me again) the Tellarite ship is as ugly as its people.
>
> The 5/3 layout might theoretically set them apart from the Command Cruisers they directly compete with, but since they can't actually use cannons and aren't all that maneuverable, it's just a gimmick you can do without.
Not at all. At least if you talk about ENTs weird interpretation. Otherwise I welcome more room in the mud baths for me xP
But the ship itself is actually not that pretty. I just take it as the only canon 'rite ship in existence. It's not bad either though. It's nice and round. Round things are good. Gameplay wise though I agree, it's not that great especially since I already had fantasized about it's STO incarnation years ago and this is pretty far off from what I liked to see.
You know what's even better than round things? Pointy things. Ships with long swooping shapes or triangles. Pointy Vulcan or Andorian ships, lovely triangular ships like the Prometheus .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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> @mustrumridcully0 said: > The Suliban ship is arguably the best looking. > > The Klingon (Orion) one has an ugly seam in the texture of any Material but the new one for the ship, and the new one just is boring. Basically, as usual, the Klingon option seems to have gotten the least attention to detail and has the biggest quality issues. I totally see why patrickngo has such a persecution complex. > > And (@angrytarg might never speak to me again) the Tellarite ship is as ugly as its people. > > The 5/3 layout might theoretically set them apart from the Command Cruisers they directly compete with, but since they can't actually use cannons and aren't all that maneuverable, it's just a gimmick you can do without.
I've found my Orion Blackguard to extremely maneuverable. To be fair I Elite Fleet RCS console and an Elite Fleet Neutronium [turn] on it, so it has a turn rate of 24 on it now.
Its a great ship for Dual Beam Banks or Single Cannon, torpedo, and other builds.
I can't keep DHCs on target at all anyways.
I have a Single Cannon build right now with 4 fleet disruptor Single Cannons and the Crystalline Torp in the front and two fleet disruptor turrets in the back and the Biomolecular Heavy Disruptor Turret.
I plan to replace the Crystalline Torp with the Nausicaan Disruptor Torp when I get a chance and the Nausicaan Disruptor Beam will replace on of the Cannons.
That creates a situation where I have all disurptor weapons, but only use energy to power 7 of the 8. All forward arc focused.
I used a single cannon build on my old Fleet Corsair for ages.
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For Specialization Miracle Worker (Commander & Ensign) or Temporal (one of the Lt. Commanders). Outside chance of Command or Pilot Lt. Commander.
Small chance of having a second hangar bay, like the Universe Cruiser, an exception to the rule that only carriers get two hangar bays.
If they really want to think outside the box, but came up with nothing, it could be the first and only Cruisers with a heavy weapon slot, but I doubt it.
Anyway, I hope people buy them to support the game but unless there is a big sale in the C-store, chances are I will put off getting them as I dont see me actually playing them and I have a plethora of other none played ships already as a result of my effort to support the game and it is rather expensive to keep buying ships I dont use at full price given the prices for ships seems static.
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> Miracle Worker specialization isn't going to be available to players until sometime next month, so I very much doubt they'll release these (presumably) this Thursday with a specialist seat that nobody will be able to use the specialist abilities for for a month.
I figure it could be like with the Allied Escorts, which got a heavy weapon slot, before other ships. It's only hypothetical, my main guess is it will be Temporal, as the Suliban we're heavily involved in the Temporal Cold War.
Of course the Orion syndicate is know for it's Intel gathering ability among other things, so Intel isn't out of the question.
Im just kinda done with hangar ships for a while, I have what I need already.
I won't, of course, but it's nice to know that I can.
Another bundle of Engineering heavy command cruisers, and to boot.. they lack the Weapon Systems Efficiency cruiser command.
Unless someone just really likes the way these things look, I cannot understand why anyone would consider buying them. When compared to other ships available at the same price..these things are mediocre at best. Just nothing here that makes them even remotely special.
This one is an easy decision not to buy.
Yeah, they're basically the command cruisers with a rear weapon hardpoint moved up front and no inbuilt inspiration mechanic.
Not that great tbh..
> seaofsorrows wrote: »
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> Wow, after looking at the stats.. I cannot be more underwhelmed.
>
> Another bundle of Engineering heavy command cruisers, and to boot.. they lack the Weapon Systems Efficiency cruiser command.
>
> Unless someone just really likes the way these things look, I cannot understand why anyone would consider buying them. When compared to other ships available at the same price..these things are mediocre at best. Just nothing here that makes them even remotely special.
>
> This one is an easy decision not to buy.
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, they're basically the command cruisers with a rear weapon hardpoint moved up front and no inbuilt inspiration mechanic.
>
> Not that great tbh..
No they aren't.
Command Cruisers have higher shields vs. FDCs have higher hull.
The FDCs have 2 Lt. Commanders and Ensign, The CCs have 3 lt.
An FDC can have 2 Lt. Commander Tacs and 1 Lt. Tac, none of the CCs can do that.
But of course the CCs have more Command goodies then CCs.
The FDCs have +1 turn rate, +.02 impulse speed, and +5 interia.
And they have very different Star Ship Mastery Packages, the CCs have Battlecruiser package, the FDCs have the Flight Deck Cruiser Package.
The CCs can arm Dual Cannons, but the FDCs can't but the FDCs are 5/3 weapon slots.
The FDCs come with very different pets/starship trait/console from CCs.
"Allied Flight Deck Cruisers: better than the Resolute"
The Klingon (Orion) one has an ugly seam in the texture of any Material but the new one for the ship, and the new one just is boring. Basically, as usual, the Klingon option seems to have gotten the least attention to detail and has the biggest quality issues. I totally see why patrickngo has such a persecution complex.
And (@angrytarg might never speak to me again) the Tellarite ship is as ugly as its people.
The 5/3 layout might theoretically set them apart from the Command Cruisers they directly compete with, but since they can't actually use cannons and aren't all that maneuverable, it's just a gimmick you can do without.
> The Suliban ship is arguably the best looking.
>
> The Klingon (Orion) one has an ugly seam in the texture of any Material but the new one for the ship, and the new one just is boring. Basically, as usual, the Klingon option seems to have gotten the least attention to detail and has the biggest quality issues. I totally see why patrickngo has such a persecution complex.
>
> And (@angrytarg might never speak to me again) the Tellarite ship is as ugly as its people.
>
> The 5/3 layout might theoretically set them apart from the Command Cruisers they directly compete with, but since they can't actually use cannons and aren't all that maneuverable, it's just a gimmick you can do without.
Not at all. At least if you talk about ENTs weird interpretation. Otherwise I welcome more room in the mud baths for me xP
But the ship itself is actually not that pretty. I just take it as the only canon 'rite ship in existence. It's not bad either though. It's nice and round. Round things are good. Gameplay wise though I agree, it's not that great especially since I already had fantasized about it's STO incarnation years ago and this is pretty far off from what I liked to see.
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You know what's even better than round things? Pointy things. Ships with long swooping shapes or triangles. Pointy Vulcan or Andorian ships, lovely triangular ships like the Prometheus
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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> The Suliban ship is arguably the best looking.
>
> The Klingon (Orion) one has an ugly seam in the texture of any Material but the new one for the ship, and the new one just is boring. Basically, as usual, the Klingon option seems to have gotten the least attention to detail and has the biggest quality issues. I totally see why patrickngo has such a persecution complex.
>
> And (@angrytarg might never speak to me again) the Tellarite ship is as ugly as its people.
>
> The 5/3 layout might theoretically set them apart from the Command Cruisers they directly compete with, but since they can't actually use cannons and aren't all that maneuverable, it's just a gimmick you can do without.
I've found my Orion Blackguard to extremely maneuverable. To be fair I Elite Fleet RCS console and an Elite Fleet Neutronium [turn] on it, so it has a turn rate of 24 on it now.
Its a great ship for Dual Beam Banks or Single Cannon, torpedo, and other builds.
I can't keep DHCs on target at all anyways.
I have a Single Cannon build right now with 4 fleet disruptor Single Cannons and the Crystalline Torp in the front and two fleet disruptor turrets in the back and the Biomolecular Heavy Disruptor Turret.
I plan to replace the Crystalline Torp with the Nausicaan Disruptor Torp when I get a chance and the Nausicaan Disruptor Beam will replace on of the Cannons.
That creates a situation where I have all disurptor weapons, but only use energy to power 7 of the 8. All forward arc focused.
I used a single cannon build on my old Fleet Corsair for ages.