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Not Enough Variety In Heavy Weapons. Yet.

brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
Like any new thing Heavy Weapons are currently limited in variety. Once the novelty wears off the focus of the developers will naturally go to other new ideas. In between there is a sweet spot where we can explore the potential of a concept and perhaps spark a developer's interest.

To that end, then, I present Heavy Weapon ideas:

Tachyon Pulse Cannon - Emits pulses of Tachyon energy which inflict heavy shield damage to the target and may cause a Shield Offline proc. A 2km burst radius centered on the target does secondary effect level shield damage and resets the cooldown on any operational cloaking devices in the burst area..

Aceton Beam Array - This weapon drains power from the target's subsystems and grants 7.5% of the amount drained as bonus power to the attacking vessel. It might work subsystem by subsystem, so power drained from the target's shields feeds power to the attacker's shield.

Plasma Lance - A powerful blast of warp plasma fired in a narrow arc that extends for 10k from the point of origin through the target. This effect mimics the Eject Warp Plasma BOff power, and although the damage done is small, the effects persist until cleansed. Some of the effects include shield and hull damage, engine offline, and persistent plasma fire DoT and any radiation bonus from captains' skills. The narrow stream of plasma persists and may snare other enemy vessels which contact it.

Antimatter Rail Gun - fires anti-carbon projectiles at targets inflicting small damage to shields, but massive kinetic and radiation damage to the target hull.

Hybrid Weapons - includes all known types of hybrids including phased polaron and tetryon, plasma/disruptor hybrids, and a host of other mixed type weaponry.

Target Painting Torpedo - When this weapon strikes an enemy it inflicts very little damage, but it begins to do two things; first it sends out a beacon which allows all ships firing on the target improved accuracy and penetration, and second it begins to debuff randomly one buff per six seconds until its sixty second timer expires. It can be removed via Engineering Team or similar captain's powers.

Temporal Displacement Weapon - This weapon is a byproduct of Noye's research into Krenim weapons technology. It shoves a ship out of time for a random interval between 60 and 3600 seconds. The targeted vessel, if hit, vanishes, to reappear after a random interval in the exact same condition, (including cooldown timers!) it was in when it left. A near miss results in Chroniton procs, and a miss has no effect whatsoever. In this case Drain Resistance is used instead of Defense to determine the effect of the weapon on its target, and can reduce the time spent out of time. If a player ship is targeted the player will see his vessel freeze and all timer activity halt in place, while others sharing the map will see the ship vanish, possibly into a blue swirly cone or disc. Halve the duration of the effect in case of use against player ships.

These ideas are heavy on support type effects and inflict minimal or incidental damage in most cases, but this need not be the case for all or even most heavy weapons: my point was to show how non-damage based weaponry can be incorporated. If you prefer more damage, then by all means brainstorm your concepts here. More ideas equal more fodder for the STO team's imagination.
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    hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    More variety is good, but I'm not going to take much interest if they're all walled in behind gambleboxes. While that remains the case, I'll just content myself with the Competitive Flak Shot cannon. *shrug*
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    bloodyrizbloodyriz Member Posts: 1,756 Arc User
    I am hoping they will add them to the R&D system.​​
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    victornite1976victornite1976 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    I'd like to be able to craft heavy weapons at some point. Right now the only Heavy Weapon Slot item I have is that Ion Stream Projector or whatever it's actually called. I'm tired of shooting lightning out my rear, though at the same time I hate leaving a slot empty. Looks terrible coming from a Starfleet vessel too. Probably wouldn't bother me so much if it only fired from the Deflector instead of being omi-directional.
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    bloodyrizbloodyriz Member Posts: 1,756 Arc User
    I'd like to be able to craft heavy weapons at some point. Right now the only Heavy Weapon Slot item I have is that Ion Stream Projector or whatever it's actually called. I'm tired of shooting lightning out my rear, though at the same time I hate leaving a slot empty. Looks terrible coming from a Starfleet vessel too. Probably wouldn't bother me so much if it only fired from the Deflector instead of being omi-directional.

    I have to admit, I was surprised at the 360 arc, I was originally thinking it would be a spinal mount type thing.​​
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    fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    These new weapons wonder me. They are for the most manoeuvrable ships, yet they have a 360 degree firing arc. It goes against the concept of heavy damage vs. firing arc. The ship that really can use such a weapon, the big cruiser, cannot use it. The ship that can use it, doesn't really need it.
    I would love to see a change/addition. Narrow the firing arc to 15 degree front and rear, while the damage goes up.
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    lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Another vote for a craftable weapon but no more new R&D schools please.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    Yes, no new Schools, but where to go? Beams? Projectiles? Level 15? Level 20? Maybe 20 will give people a 'reward' for slogging it out for so longgggg.
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,460 Community Moderator
    ltminns wrote: »
    Yes, no new Schools, but where to go? Beams? Projectiles? Level 15? Level 20? Maybe 20 will give people a 'reward' for slogging it out for so longgggg.

    I would say Beams, Cannons, and Projectiles giving one craftable of each type since currently Heavy Weapons can upgraded using Beam, Cannon, and Projectile upgrade tech. I'd put them at Level 15 along with the other special items.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    OK, then we need other new 'recipes' for Level 20.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    OK, then we need other new 'recipes' for Level 20.
    Maybe just a new feature that gives a level of control over results?
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,460 Community Moderator
    Yes! Level 20: pick your mods! B)
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    brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    Yes! Level 20: pick your mods! B)

    Level 20 lets you create mod accelerator items. Want [Acc]x3, you need 3 [Acc] items. Make the high demand mods cost more to encourage less popular choices.
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    or just leave it alone so that when they finally get around to making [Acc] and [CrtH] the same level of desirability as [Dmg] was recently, they don't also have to go changing the costs of associated thingummies​​
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    victornite1976victornite1976 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    lopequil wrote: »
    Another vote for a craftable weapon but no more new R&D schools please.

    Seems like to me it should fall under whatever the weapon being crafted falls under. If it's a Beam type, then let it be in that School, but give a high level requirement to unlock the schematic. Given how long it takes to get the schools up in level, I wouldn't be in favor of a new school either. However, if it did give us more options, and thats the only way they were willing to give it to us, I'd take it.
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    shadowwraith#9264 shadowwraith Member Posts: 379 Arc User
    Beam/energy stream types > Beam
    Cannon/railgun > Cannon
    exotic damage heavy weapons > Science
    torp/missile > projectiles

    currently the potential of R&D is going to waste with so many levels that currently unlock nothing atm.
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    captainkoltarcaptainkoltar Member Posts: 920 Arc User
    I'd like to see heavy weapons with less intrusive visuals. The ion weapon's lightning bolt looks decidedly un Star Trek. This would be acceptable in a power with a longish recharge, but it's very jarring in something which fires regularly.
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    reemus#2383 reemus Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    I think heavy weapons should be re-vamped into a much cooler idea IMO. Escorts will have the slot and the weapon...but it does only light/medium damage when used solo. A larger ship also has the heavy weapon slot but when within a range of other friendly vessels with the same weapon, their weapons fire to the large ship, and the large ship fires a "heavy" beam, aoe, etc. from collecting the energy from friendlies (say a max limit of 3). It could open up a whole slew of support based weapons (like huge aoe stuns, etc.)
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    dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
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    I think heavy weapons should be re-vamped ...

    Yeah, me too. But I'd first revamp their name. Call them Advanced Tactical Weapons. That way these 'tiny' escorts don't have something called a 'heavy' weapon. Additional weapons could be something similar to the VATA console the Avenger, a variety of missiles (offensive and defensive) and maybe an effective area-denial minelayer (like the Defiant when it mined the wormhole).

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    szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    I think heavy weapons should be re-vamped ...

    Yeah, me too. But I'd first revamp their name. Call them Advanced Tactical Weapons. That way these 'tiny' escorts don't have something called a 'heavy' weapon. Additional weapons could be something similar to the VATA console the Avenger, a variety of missiles (offensive and defensive) and maybe an effective area-denial minelayer (like the Defiant when it mined the wormhole).

    I believe there was talk at STLV that they wanted/were planning on renaming them to Experimental Weapons.

    Personally, I want to see a Shockwave Generator; a 3km pulse every couple seconds that can either be used offensively at point blank range or as a sort of point defense system against incoming destructable threats. Tachyon, Plasma, Photonic, Electromagnetic, whatever.
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    aspartan1aspartan1 Member Posts: 1,054 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    I have the flak cannon on my ship and to be frank I'm wondering if it is effective at all... I never see any visuals... Nonetheless I agree with previous posters that the electrical wave looks odd on some ships and sadly the spinal enhancer con as well as the electric con are ship specific.

    Also I firmly agree the 360 arc seems inconsistent with a hvy wpn I agree it should be 15 degrees at most - with that said, I can see 360 for something such as the flak cannon concept. I hope that does not sound hypocritical but I can see flak cannons all around the ship hull.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    Honestly, I think the LAST thing the game needed was MORE dps.

    Then you can relax here. This weapon slot is more of a joke compared to the DPS benefits a regular weapon slot, a hangar bay or especially a deteriorating secondary deflector can provide.

    It is better than nothing, yes, but it’s not much more than that.
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    mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    i got this hyperexcited electrical heavy weapon, it's very useful with a group of ships like frigates, it can mostly one shot them, destroyers go down about 3/4 of their health and with a defiant and a fully armed phaser cannon build, cruisers are just over half and larger vessels are more vulnerable to the combined attack from the usual weapons and the next heavy weapon shot.

    it's useful in PVE although i'm not sure how much use it is in raids.
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    nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I'd like to see heavy weapons with less intrusive visuals. The ion weapon's lightning bolt looks decidedly un Star Trek. This would be acceptable in a power with a longish recharge, but it's very jarring in something which fires regularly.

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    gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    They should be distributed between energy and kinetic (torpedoes) R&D schools, it's easier..
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    gannadenegannadene Member Posts: 81 Arc User
    Hopefully the T5-U Patrol Escort's Tempest Tail Gun will get converted into a heavy weapon at some point. Hopefully one that isn't phaser-only. Being locked into weapon damage types is a pet peeve of mine. We'll have to wait five more years to actually get a new T6 version of the ship, though.
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    brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    I could see an unlock at level 20 allowing crafting of heavy weapons or 'experimental weapons' but I know others will say that's too high, takes too long to grind, etc.

    What I envision is heavy weapons in every R&D school. Beam type HW as the level 20 unlock of Beam R&D, Torpedo R&D for torps, Cannon R&D for cannons.

    But I also envision HW possibilities such as field generator weapons, (Engineering R&D,) and manipulation weapons, (Science R&D.)

    With a HW unlock at level 20, the items will be cutting edge research items, upgradeable and moddable, (unlike store-bought items which are what they are.)

    Given this premise, the potential to create Ground HWs like the portable phaser from The Cage/The Menagerie becomes a possibility. Imagine an equippable Control item which summons a mobile phaser turret that follows the character around like a drone:

    Infantry Support Vehicle: small tank drone with a Cover Shield. Generates massive threat as it follows the player around providing shelter in the storm. Unlike regular cover shields, these degrade as they are damaged.

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    Spy Drone: a flying craft which increases team accuracy as it hovers over the battlefield, with a single missile which creates Expose opportunities when it does its AOE damage.

    Mecha: Infantry level weapons on an armored chassis.

    Rather than automatically firing, activating the control item allows the player to choose the target area for AoE attacks, and the Heavy Ground Weapon fires at it, or which allows the player to choose 'Fire at my target'.

    Not going to happen, I guess, buy hey, why should Space have all the fun?
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    lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    I don't know about an entirely new school but adding a craftable heavy weapon would be a nice gesture to players who don't own lobi/lockbox ships and are stuck with that awful lightning thing.

    The VFX on that REALLY need to be toned down too.
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    asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    I quite like the idea of ground based heavy weapons, and would love to see a mech-suit added like the Voth mech-suit we see in the ground zone. Though i personally would want the suit to be a mod you can use, that might have a few versions that has different ability load-out that you use instead of your other modules while the suit is active.

    Though i would say that I would rather have a module that can be used to give normally stationary turrets/generators a hover mode that can be activated, but which also would reduce the defensive stats of the turrets/generators have while it is slotted, than gaining access to a single mobile turret type module.

    I could see both options for how to gain the ability to craft heavy weapons, which could be a stand-alone school, or just adding heavy weapon recipes to schools based on the weapon type of the heavy weapon (beam, torp, mine, cannon, and such). Though i could also see it where the schismatics you need to gain access to craft the heavy weapon recipe might actually be a drop in certain stfs, with even in some high difficulty stfs having unique versions that are linked to that stf's rep.
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