If she was that traumatized over a simulation maybe command is not for her? Idk. There is also the option of saving your crew by honoring neutral zone treaty and turning the ship around.
Its part of the no win scenario the KYM is a federation fuel carrier so as a starfleet vessel you have to respond to its distress regardless of when and where it is, secondly as it is a federation vessel you are not allowed to leave it behind in short the scenario is a catch 22 from the start.
Guess you missed the part where Sulu warned Savvik about crossing the Neutral Zone. Yes it is a no win scenario because either way the Kobayashi Maru is lost. Although not canon in the novel Kobayashi Maru Sulu decides the best course was to not provoke a war by crossing the zone. He feared it was a trap by the Klingons. Lastly in TWOK Kobayashi Maru was a civilian freighter, not a starfleet vessel.
Yes sulu did warn her that i just protocol but the rules and regs forced her hand, if she simply ignores it she fails due to breaching starfleet rules and regs , if she responds she is in violation of the treaty , but though breaking the treaty is a bad thing still she simply cant leave a federation vessel behind due to starfleets rules and regs it a catch 22 she is doomed to failure from the start.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
A veteran Starfleet Captain reflects on her memories of the Kobayashi Maru, on the eve of the rest of the Alliance getting their first try, in our latest (and my first) fiction blog:
I have some trouble believing that the impact of a test where you know you're supposed to fail the scenario really leaves behind a deep emotional impact. I am certainly not shattered thinking that I suck at STO for failing the mission.
I think it really only works if you think it's like any other test. Of course, secrecy would be difficult, but even then - knowing an unbeatable scenario is among the test scenarios and knowing the current test scenario is that unbeatable scenario are two different things.
In the first Unofficial Literary Challenge, I used "write a Kobayashi Maru story" as the lead prompt. I posited essentially that since it's basically supposed to be a test of the would-be CO's character, decision-making, and command skills, the test subject and anybody taking part in the scenario as crew are told the test scenario, but not that it's unwinnable (as was indicated in TWOK) and are sworn to secrecy afterwards about the fact that it's designed to be unwinnable, for exactly the reason mustrum said.
But because I'm that kind of guy and my character Kanril Eleya is that kind of character (may not be much of a scientist or diplomat, but she knows weapons and hulls), I wrote her figuring it out during the scenario because the computer starts cheating blatantly (the Klingon D-7s are able to recover from her initial gambit and begin pursuit sooner than they should have,
given the command confusion she just caused by ramming through the formation flagship as she went to warp
, then are predicted to overhaul her when a D-7 shouldn't be able to fly that fast). As a review of the story on FanFiction.net said, "as any tabletop RPG player knows, no matter what the situation is, the players will always find some way to wreck it if they're allowed to operate within fixed parameters...and if they start getting railroaded, the players' attention immediately moves to the meta level-them versus the gamemaster, not their characters versus the scenario, and under those circumstances the test basically becomes worthless for its intended purpose."
So, the computer cheats, but it's supposed to cheat subtly to maintain willing suspension of disbelief on the part of the test subject (e.g. if you try to beam off the Marucrew, the shields are up or the crew have been replaced by Klingons). What it tests is not really how the subject reacts to dying, but how they react to a strong threat of death and failure: Do they surrender? Do they tell the Diplomatic Corps to do its damn job and not cross the border to begin with? Do they try innovative strategies? That tells you something about what kind of officer they are, how they might react to stimuli, which tells you what missions and theatres they should be assigned to.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I also particularly like Mackenzie Calhoun's solution in Peter David's New Frontier novels. He reasoned that one of three scenarios was true:
The Maru crew were already dead.
They weren't dead but would prefer death to Klingon captivity after a hopeless rescue attempt (with some reason: Klingon treatment of POWs is hardly compliant with the Geneva Conventions).
They were traitors collaborating with the Klingons to lure his ship into a trap.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
My fed main rocks it with the leeta mirror jupiter uniform , if i could get win10 to just do a damn screenshot without making a microjerk account id have posted a screen ages ago.
I also particularly like Mackenzie Calhoun's solution in Peter David's New Frontier novels. He reasoned that one of three scenarios was true:
The Maru crew were already dead.
They weren't dead but would prefer death to Klingon captivity after a hopeless rescue attempt (with some reason: Klingon treatment of POWs is hardly compliant with the Geneva Conventions).
They were traitors collaborating with the Klingons to lure his ship into a trap.
My fed main rocks it with the leeta mirror jupiter uniform , if i could get win10 to just do a damn screenshot without making a microjerk account id have posted a screen ages ago.
Do you have a Steam account for other games? Then boot the game through Steam.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
just use paint... seriously. push printscn, then paste it into paint....
Doesn't do what it used to in Windows 10. Now it saves a screenshot to OneDrive.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
it works when I use it... The key is that it doesn't automatically make a file. You have to paste it into a file. Or just look in the Star Trek Online/live/screenshot folder
Grr photobucket is my bane have my game pic there but cant copy pasta here
If you're on PC, Photobucket should have a pane on the right side of the screen that supplies both a direct link and a link in BBcode.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
(e.g. if you try to beam off the Marucrew, the shields are up or the crew have been replaced by Klingons).
that would set off 'cheating' warning bells in my head instantly, since in reality, no power = no shields
and also no movement, so the maru simulation in STO was DEFINITELY cheating
the Kobiyashi Maru test blatantly cheats on the "server" side in canon too, that's why Kirk is the only person to ever get "passed" marks on it. The only rule for the Kobiyashi Maru test is "the cadet fails" everything else is up to the ones running the test and program itself.
Hell in Star Trek (2009) the very fact that test program was cheating was a big part of Kirk's argument to defend himself.
The Maru, having entered the Neutral Zone, has already committed an act of war.
The USS designation indicates it is a Starfleet vessel. A ship with a civilian registry, (SS, MV, or some other prefix than USS,) would not have precipitated a crisis because civillian shipping is not barred from the area, only warships.
In Kirk's day hyperwave or subspace communication was slow and unreliable, often requiring days to get a comm to headquarters, or doing so instantaneously depending on plot. In Kelvintimeline Kirk's day they could use a portable transporter to go from Earth to Qo'nos instantly.
So, if we accept the level of communications given in the STO universe, the correct action is to call the Klingon High Command and ask permission to assist KDF forces in rescue operations and to act as observers in the trial of the border-breachers for their blatant and unauthorized entry into Neutral Space.
I also particularly like Mackenzie Calhoun's solution in Peter David's New Frontier novels. He reasoned that one of three scenarios was true:
The Maru crew were already dead.
They weren't dead but would prefer death to Klingon captivity after a hopeless rescue attempt (with some reason: Klingon treatment of POWs is hardly compliant with the Geneva Conventions).
They were traitors collaborating with the Klingons to lure his ship into a trap.
The test is a test of character. All too often throughout history, commanders have won despite being out numbered and out gunned.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Yes sulu did warn her that i just protocol but the rules and regs forced her hand, if she simply ignores it she fails due to breaching starfleet rules and regs , if she responds she is in violation of the treaty , but though breaking the treaty is a bad thing still she simply cant leave a federation vessel behind due to starfleets rules and regs it a catch 22 she is doomed to failure from the start.
I think it's pretty wicked.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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In the first Unofficial Literary Challenge, I used "write a Kobayashi Maru story" as the lead prompt. I posited essentially that since it's basically supposed to be a test of the would-be CO's character, decision-making, and command skills, the test subject and anybody taking part in the scenario as crew are told the test scenario, but not that it's unwinnable (as was indicated in TWOK) and are sworn to secrecy afterwards about the fact that it's designed to be unwinnable, for exactly the reason mustrum said.
But because I'm that kind of guy and my character Kanril Eleya is that kind of character (may not be much of a scientist or diplomat, but she knows weapons and hulls), I wrote her figuring it out during the scenario because the computer starts cheating blatantly (the Klingon D-7s are able to recover from her initial gambit and begin pursuit sooner than they should have,
So, the computer cheats, but it's supposed to cheat subtly to maintain willing suspension of disbelief on the part of the test subject (e.g. if you try to beam off the Marucrew, the shields are up or the crew have been replaced by Klingons). What it tests is not really how the subject reacts to dying, but how they react to a strong threat of death and failure: Do they surrender? Do they tell the Diplomatic Corps to do its damn job and not cross the border to begin with? Do they try innovative strategies? That tells you something about what kind of officer they are, how they might react to stimuli, which tells you what missions and theatres they should be assigned to.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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In all three cases the solution was the same: Shoot the Hostage.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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My fed main rocks it with the leeta mirror jupiter uniform , if i could get win10 to just do a damn screenshot without making a microjerk account id have posted a screen ages ago.
There is a fourth scenario
The maru was destroyed by the klingons it distress beacon salvaged then used to lure a federation starship into a trap.
Do you have a Steam account for other games? Then boot the game through Steam.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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My character Tsin'xing
Doesn't do what it used to in Windows 10. Now it saves a screenshot to OneDrive.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
My character Tsin'xing
took this approach
If you're on PC, Photobucket should have a pane on the right side of the screen that supplies both a direct link and a link in BBcode.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
aye but hen i go to copy the link it turns black and doesnt copy the link
My character Tsin'xing
that would set off 'cheating' warning bells in my head instantly, since in reality, no power = no shields
and also no movement, so the maru simulation in STO was DEFINITELY cheating
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Hell in Star Trek (2009) the very fact that test program was cheating was a big part of Kirk's argument to defend himself.
The USS designation indicates it is a Starfleet vessel. A ship with a civilian registry, (SS, MV, or some other prefix than USS,) would not have precipitated a crisis because civillian shipping is not barred from the area, only warships.
In Kirk's day hyperwave or subspace communication was slow and unreliable, often requiring days to get a comm to headquarters, or doing so instantaneously depending on plot. In Kelvintimeline Kirk's day they could use a portable transporter to go from Earth to Qo'nos instantly.
So, if we accept the level of communications given in the STO universe, the correct action is to call the Klingon High Command and ask permission to assist KDF forces in rescue operations and to act as observers in the trial of the border-breachers for their blatant and unauthorized entry into Neutral Space.
How dare you post a TV Tropes link. I have WORK to do today.
I'm loving seeing all the Kobayashi debate going on in this thread, btw.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'