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for the defenders of "Discovery", a brief tutorial...This is a Klingon.

patrickngopatrickngo Member Posts: 9,963 Arc User
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These, are also Klingons:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/TOS-day_of_the_dove_klingons.png

here's another Klingon:
http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2017/herc/plummer_klingon_large.jpg

and a group of Klingons from captain ARcher's days helming the NX-01:

http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200303/ent-032-klingon-marauders/320x240.jpg

here's a Klingon who's just 'lost' his ridges:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-antaak-flat-divergence.jpg

and some Klingons with very prominent ridges:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnYhtlQiHB2AfU6D7Eu3xO4LNn8r1OChtl4-nEzI6CF0_YSxxq

and a Klingon with fancy bling and a shaved head...
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIOdvVlASgR86f11mOuCwLR2j7WexbYi-yV0pZaQvjJScs7PKNsg

stylish, right?

and another Klingon with male pattern baldness:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrMG_bidhfB9S2UDYwbHFD_vJmEr-4u4SLf0FDkdl5kw2jQngk

so, what the TRIBBLE are these?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbXo1o6ui4bMc9r90WeuRWD2FH1v6j8MhU4-3JSf8Incm_QZfMFg

or this?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjltldvgmeHMe0taAi2U4SEaoWNESKJ9rdkTAUUj6XSdSjV7bEgA

Klingons are warm blooded, fur bearing mammals. Not lizards. Gorn are Lizards, Saurians are lizards. Voth are lizards.

Klingons don't have scaly skins, their ridges (even JJ Klingons) taper off as you go back along their skulls, they have large brain-cases like every other sentient in Star Trek, not microcephaly and weird skin conditions or frill like ridges tht run from the aft crown down the back of their neck.

They also possess stereoscopic vision with visible eyes, not flat flaps of skin with narrow slashes whre the eyes should be. Two nostrils, not four, and a generally hominid jaw structure and neck structure that allows full free movement, not the awkward 'turn your whole torso to look around" that we see in the trailer.

when people criticise the look, it's because somehow, what was ruddy, even brownish, and certainly healthier looking warriors, have been turned pasty-faced and awkward with hours of additional latex and makeup that suppresses any sort of expressiveness.

the "Disocovery" version belongs in Warhammer 40K, not Star Trek.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,418 Arc User
    the discovery klinks look a bit like the Fek'Ikri from STO (especially the armor) as well.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    also a Klingon. :p
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,239 Arc User
    This is before TOs though? At this point they should just be Human look-a-likes.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,409 Arc User
    I wonder what is gonna happen in discussions when it'll be potentially revealed those aren't even proto-Klingons.
    So far, a part of the fandom isn't worried, having come with this ancient Klingon theory that helps with the continuity, but what if it's not the case at all? How are these fans gonna react?
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    saurializard wrote: »
    I wonder what is gonna happen in discussions when it'll be potentially revealed those aren't even proto-Klingons. So far, a part of the fandom isn't worried, having come with this ancient Klingon theory that helps with the continuity, but what if it's not the case at all? How are these fans gonna react?

    Same as they always do - badly. lol

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  • tm706tm706 Member Posts: 334 Arc User
    I'm pretty sure that whoever holds the IP rights gets to decided what is and isn't "Klingon". Right or wrong, it's up to them. Don't like it ? Speak with your wallet and don't watch. I'm slightly out of the loop, but can anyone point out where these "Klingons" were called klingons or outright identified as such by someone with actual knowledge of the impending Discovery ?
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    tm706 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that whoever holds the IP rights gets to decided what is and isn't "Klingon". Right or wrong, it's up to them. Don't like it ? Speak with your wallet and don't watch. I'm slightly out of the loop, but can anyone point out where these "Klingons" were called klingons or outright identified as such by someone with actual knowledge of the impending Discovery ?
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    saurializard wrote: »
    I wonder what is gonna happen in discussions when it'll be potentially revealed those aren't even proto-Klingons.

    They'll turn to "oh, you guys still shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. This heavily ritualized, cathedral inhabiting sect isn't part of the KDF either. :tongue:"

    My money is on the Discovery Klingons shown so far being part of an extremist cult who destroy the Shenzou and complicate relations for the KDF and FED [remember: addressing current events is a significant part of the franchise. Tackling conventional hostilities between two main superpowers probably ain't where they're going.] But one does have to wonder what the hell this topic is doing in the Star Trek Online general forums. As yet, we have nothing to do with Discovery.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,833 Community Moderator
    I honestly don't know what to make of them. We know the Augment Virus may have spread across the Empire, but not to everyone. As the events in Enterprise took place in BOTH Prime and Kelvin Timelines, we should have seen the Kelvin Klingons look more like the ones from TOS if they were affected. Yet they look a bit more like the Klingons we know with the ridges. That means that not all Klingons were affected by the virus, including those on Qo'nos.

    The styling doesn't feel Klingon to me in any capacity. Do we even HAVE confirmation that they ARE Klingons, or are we basing it on the fact we hear the crew mention Klingons warping in as proof positive?

    We have one unknown ship that the Starfleet ship cannot identify. A sarcophagus, and some freaky aliens. Maybe this is something the Klingons want to keep buried, hence a possible conflict.

    We don't know. So until we get absolute proof that we god some kind of Klingon offshoot or anything, I'm not going to say one way or another. No real point in wasting the energy without evidence to back up the argument.

    And I'm pretty sure this belongs in 10-Forward too...
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Do we even HAVE confirmation that they ARE Klingons, or are we basing it on the fact we hear the crew mention Klingons warping in as proof positive?
    We know (from production PR) that these are Klingons but that's all. Their relationship to the Klingons we know is completely unknown, as far as I've heard.

    So indeed, until there's more info this topic is not worth getting emotional about. Chances are there's at least one key fact out there that'll disrupt everyone's pet theory. Best leave it to the airing. ;)
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,418 Arc User
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    I wonder what is gonna happen in discussions when it'll be potentially revealed those aren't even proto-Klingons.

    They'll turn to "oh, you guys still shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. This heavily ritualized, cathedral inhabiting sect isn't part of the KDF either. :tongue:"

    My money is on the Discovery Klingons shown so far being part of an extremist cult who destroy the Shenzou and complicate relations for the KDF and FED [remember: addressing current events is a significant part of the franchise. Tackling conventional hostilities between two main superpowers probably ain't where they're going.] But one does have to wonder what the hell this topic is doing in the Star Trek Online general forums. As yet, we have nothing to do with Discovery.

    the extremist cult would be nice from a story point of view as you could introduce the an updated version of the TOS-style ridgeless klingons as the main stream klingons as someone trying to prevent the conflict with the Federation from going into an outright war, you "introduce" the romulans at the same time by having the Klingon Empire be in conflict with the Romulan Star Empire and thus cannot afford to start a war against the United Federation of Planets.

    In an unrelated topic Duncan did you guys stop doing the Foundry Roundtable podcasts or was this week just a exception for what ever reason?
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    rattler2 wrote: »
    That means that not all Klingons were affected by the virus, including those on Qo'nos.

    or it means that the data for the cure was aboard the narada (though, why a mining ship would have that info is anyone's guess), which the klingons had for 17 years

    and i expect medical databases, if it was actually there, to have far less security than those of the main computer core or anything containing weapon specs or other potentially problematic tech that you don't want your enemy getting their hands on​​
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  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    Speaking of the Kelvin-verse, has anyone actually confirmed that Discovery is actually set in the prime universe?​​
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  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    admiralnat wrote: »
    Speaking of the Kelvin-verse, has anyone actually confirmed that Discovery is actually set in the prime universe?
    Its been stated so multiple times by CBS/people working on it.
    Alright, just making sure, Memory Alpha didn't seem to say anything one way or the other. :smiley:​​
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    spiritborn wrote: »

    In an unrelated topic Duncan did you guys stop doing the Foundry Roundtable podcasts or was this week just a exception for what ever reason?

    We certainly would have made a big announcement if Roundtable was wrapping up. And I honestly can't see it happening while the Foundry is still online. ;)

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    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »

    In an unrelated topic Duncan did you guys stop doing the Foundry Roundtable podcasts or was this week just a exception for what ever reason?

    We certainly would have made a big announcement if Roundtable was wrapping up. And I honestly can't see it happening while the Foundry is still online. ;)

    Greendragoon is currently on vacation, we made announcements earlier in the week (I think.)

    I must have missed that one then, sorry do be a bother but you weren't online on (new) "timeslot" on Saturday and I couldn't find an announcement for a break I got curious as to why, but this explains it.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    I wonder where people get the stereotype that Star Trek fans are whinging fanbois that can't handle change. It's a shame DSC has to run the internet gauntlet in such a way all other Trek avoided (except the KT films).

    Don't like DSC? Go to your video cabinet and watch TOS (or whatever your personal TrueTrekTM is) on VHS, DVD, or even BR. Leave the next generation to the next generation. It's not made for you so just drop the issue and get another set of rose tinted glasses and go back to the past.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    patrickngo wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    I wonder where people get the stereotype that Star Trek fans are whinging fanbois that can't handle change. It's a shame DSC has to run the internet gauntlet in such a way all other Trek avoided (except the KT films).

    Don't like DSC? Go to your video cabinet and watch TOS (or whatever your personal TrueTrekTM is) on VHS, DVD, or even BR. Leave the next generation to the next generation. It's not made for you so just drop the issue and get another set of rose tinted glasses and go back to the past.

    Okay, let's test this...

    did you like the REd/Blue superman? (Post death-of-superman)
    did you notice when Nick Fury went from being a middle-aged white guy to a middle-aged black guy?
    how did you feel about Jared Leto's Joker vs. Heath Ledger vs. Jack Nicholson?
    Did you enjoy the Star Wars Prequels as much as you did the original trilogy?
    Do you agree that suicide squad is set in the same continuity as Batman Begins? that COULD BE, that it's logical for it TO be?

    Next set of questions (these are more hypothetical)

    Should Vulcans have faerie wings in addition to pointed ears?
    Should Andorians have a thick layer of fur (being as they're from a cold place)?
    Does the reboot Battlestar Galactica fit with Battlestar Galactica from 1979, and does it lead logically to Battlestar Galactica 1980?

    did Kevin Costner as "Robin Hood" work for you?

    did you feel M. Night Shayamalan's version of Avatar The last Airbender do justice to the source material (setting, story, characters).

    What did you feel when you watched Alien 3 after seeing Aliens and Alien?

    SOME changes are good. JJ Abrams hit the notes on what worked with Star Trek, and the box-office proves it-but he didn't go that far off from what was already established. Likewise, TNG's changes meshed with the changes in the theatrical movies with some fairly good improvements, the BSG reboot is and was unquestionably a better show than the original all the way up to the really bad science blunder in the final episode (which was THE only thing that ruined it for me.) Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles was infinitely better than the first three movies, and introduced a lot of new elements and dynamics, Stargate SG-1 compared to the original movie, etc. etc.



    But then, you get things like Babylon 5's fifth season (cobbled together from reject scripts and storylines that had to be cut out of seasons 1-4 because surprise!! they suddenly had a budget.) or Stargate:Universe (which pretty much murdered the franchise), or the series finale for Enterprise that was a ****-you-all to the fans, cast, and supporters from Berman and Braga. (along with the theme song that st on that show's neck for four seasons like a rotting albatross corpse.)

    changes can be good, or they can be completely screwed up because they were made JUST to make changes.

    teh amount of budget for the full-head prosthetic klingons shown in the Discovery trailer could've been used to hire or pay an editor, or a writer, the uniform change was likewise gratuitious and did not and does not fit the already-well-established setting either, and they could've spent more money (agian) on the writing staff, or getting the glitches ironed out on their spaceship's vector files.

    Their Klingons would still be recognizable AS Klingon without digging into the depths of one of the shoddiest episodes of TNG to justify the look. (it wAS shoddy-the theory they were basing it on had been disproven in the 1970s. Changes that extensive, that fast, would kill the host=at least, for humans, so we'd have to have the rest of the run without a Riker... and Worf's "mutation" violates conservation of mass AND energy.)

    social and societal changes are a lot easier to swallow if they're not accompanied by shitting on 40 years of established work. There are NON trekkies out there, and THEY know what a Klingon looks like. What we've got here, is akin to giving spock functional butterfly wings and wrapping your andorians in furry fetish costumes.

    Nope. Not going to bother with that. I'll argue the size of fictional starships to the death. I'll argue anything Star Trek if it's fun. This is not. You have an arbitrary standard of Trek that you belive is more important than CBS' and just can't stop yourself from letting everybody know.

    CBS will deliver justification as is their right. You will not change their mind your own mind or real fans minds. Your TrueTrekTM is in the past. Go enjoy it and leave the future to those excited by it.


    Oh, and Doctor Who has also never been rebooted just like Star Trek hasn't. A reboot is a seperate continuity not a retool of an existing one. BSG was rebooted, Barman was rebooted. ST and DW were not.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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    valoreah wrote: »
    It has survived JJ Abrams totally rebuilding the canon.
    JJ Abrams didn't rebuild any canon. He made an alternate timeline using the existing Prime canon post-Nemesis.

    Also, you could argue that Star Trek didn't exactly endure but got killed by the failure of Nemesis and Enterprise, before being resurrected by a high-budget alternate story that used the old franchise.
    Heck they cancelled/didn't bother with a movie (which was basically ST2009 but in the Prime timeline), a cartoon (Final Frontier), a few other shows and a whole theme park before the Nu movie was released.
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