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What if all the fleet holdings were given a PUBLIC instance?
sirsitsalot
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What if there were two options presented when visiting a fleet holding location in the game:
Approach Fleet [HoldingName]
Approach [HoldingName]
The fleet holding instance would function as it currently does. The non-fleet version woould be a progression through the fleet holding advancement that is open to everyone regardless of fleet affiliation and would be a permanant social hub that everyone would get to be a part of building.
Not everyone is part of a large fleet or part of a fleet at all. and yet with holdings being locked behind fleet membership, many players are barred frome experiencing an element of gameplay that when taken at face value is really pretty awesome.
In my history with MMOs, specifically those with an open world / sandbox element to them, the ability to work through something where the end result is a permanant addition to the game world, I can say that being able to look at the end result of a combined effort and say "I had a hand in making that" brings with it a reward that transcends any sort of loot. Because any time the public holding is visited once completed, Anyone who contributed to it can honestly say that they were part of making it happen. No matter how small that part actually was...
Obviouslu a public instance of a holding would have contribution costs much higher than a fleet instance. Something representative of potentially the entire active player population at the time the instance is deployed. But since the entire player population is free to take part, this is not really a big deal.
A leaderboard of individual contributions would ideally be a part of this, which would track contributions from both individuals and fleets.
Fleet contributions would ideally go to both the fleet instance and the public instance.
Obviously there would need to be a differentiation between the fleet and public instaces. Namely fleet stors should not be available in the public instance, so there is reason for fleets to get involved.
We all play this game. So it stands to reason that we all should be free to be a part of all aspects of the game, regardless of whether we are not affiliated with a fleet, members of a small fleet, or members of a large fleet.
Thoughs?
Approach Fleet [HoldingName]
Approach [HoldingName]
The fleet holding instance would function as it currently does. The non-fleet version woould be a progression through the fleet holding advancement that is open to everyone regardless of fleet affiliation and would be a permanant social hub that everyone would get to be a part of building.
Not everyone is part of a large fleet or part of a fleet at all. and yet with holdings being locked behind fleet membership, many players are barred frome experiencing an element of gameplay that when taken at face value is really pretty awesome.
In my history with MMOs, specifically those with an open world / sandbox element to them, the ability to work through something where the end result is a permanant addition to the game world, I can say that being able to look at the end result of a combined effort and say "I had a hand in making that" brings with it a reward that transcends any sort of loot. Because any time the public holding is visited once completed, Anyone who contributed to it can honestly say that they were part of making it happen. No matter how small that part actually was...
Obviouslu a public instance of a holding would have contribution costs much higher than a fleet instance. Something representative of potentially the entire active player population at the time the instance is deployed. But since the entire player population is free to take part, this is not really a big deal.
A leaderboard of individual contributions would ideally be a part of this, which would track contributions from both individuals and fleets.
Fleet contributions would ideally go to both the fleet instance and the public instance.
Obviously there would need to be a differentiation between the fleet and public instaces. Namely fleet stors should not be available in the public instance, so there is reason for fleets to get involved.
We all play this game. So it stands to reason that we all should be free to be a part of all aspects of the game, regardless of whether we are not affiliated with a fleet, members of a small fleet, or members of a large fleet.
Thoughs?
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If for some reason you truly hate being in a Fleet, a search for freelancers should suffice to get what you need.
There is absolutely no reason why the Devs should make a major change to the games design to support the few who hate Fleets, especially when all Fleet stuff is already available to them if they just look for it.
Barred? Who is barred? I thought anyone meeting the requirements could join a fleet. Why not just join a fleet and contribute like everybody else? It just seems to me that you're trying to say, in a roundabout way, that in your opinion fleets require too much from it's members in order to reap the benefits of fleet membership? So, why would you even want to associate with a holding that you are not willing to join anyway? Why not just create your own fleet with your own requirements? Are there metrics involved I am unaware of?
The only thing not accessible by a non-fleet member would be the ships. They would have no access to those Fleet Shipyard Provisions. But Fleet ships is not for those on a budget, that is for sure....you pay as much as a regular C-store ship but it is only unlocked to the one character that bought it.
You know you can get an invite to see the Fleet holding areas...if you just want to look and wander around? There are even fleets that are already open to the public...I think they have a chat channel for invites. I have to send my Fed characters over to my friend's fleet to make purchases.
Are you saying you do not play with any friends who are in a fleet at all who can invite you to shop?
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
^^ Zactly!
Besides, the current system already allows for ample ways to receive a public invite to a Fleet holding (store).
Also, once these public holdings are complete, then what? What about those who wanted to contribute? Do they get a penalty on the items to buy? How to buy those items? Would it still be possible to contribute to this public fleet?
Or will it be demolished regularly, ruining the efforts of those who built it?
Join a fleet, contribute, buy what you want. There are many fleets that are as interactive as you want to be. Joining a fleet isn't like joining the Army where they tell you what to do, when to do it, and how it will be done. You still play as you like, doing as little or as much as you like.
If that's still too much effort for you, as noted before, NoP gives free invites to fleets, cell ships/freighters and other "perky" benefits of fleets, with no obligation to you.
Many of us have helped build fleets over years, spent countless millions of in-game resources and 100's to 1000's of real dollars getting to where we are and having access to what we have access to. Just because you don't want to invest the effort, is no reason to make ours worthless.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
All players CAN participate. Find a fleet you like, and join it. There, you're participating. Aside from the factions, there is no difference from one fleet holding to the next. Every Klingon starbase looks like every other Klingon starbase, every Starfleet Embassy, looks like every other Starfleet embassy. As I said before, joining a fleet is NOT joining the military. In most fleets, you can participate as little or as much as you like.
If not to buy gear, then I don't understand the underlying desire here. Do you just want a fleet holding you can go to and hang out in? I promise you, not a lot of "hanging out" gets done at fleet holdings regularly. Mostly just on meeting days/times. Some of the larger/older fleets may hang out there a bit more often,... Simply put, fleet holdings ARE NOT the super secret, exclusive, always busy social hubs you seem to be imagining them to be,...
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Offer stuff at inflated prices or something if you must penalize people, not completely give them the shaft the way things are now.
It is not hard to understand at all. As you pointed out yourself, we are ALL given a "Choice/Opportunity" to either join a fleet or not. You have chosen not to join....so what is this about? I am curious, why not simply join a fleet?
I can assure you, a Fleet holding is precisely as super secret, exclusive, and busy a social hub as... the Captain's Table is. :P
Oh please, you are around far more people at ESD, Drozana Station, or even DS9, than at any of the fleet holdings... So for introverts maybe joining a fleet would be a perfect way around all those crowds and have easy access to exchange, bank etc...
QFT
Fleet holdings are usually as *dead* as dead can be. Unless there's an RP going on, you won't find fleet members at fleet holdings, just the NPCs walking around and sometimes through you.
The fleet I belong to is very small and very slow-growing, but we like it that way. Would I like access to more fleet stuff? Yes. But I'm content to wait and grow our holdings to open up the stuff I want to get.
If you're just looking for another social zone, fleet holdings aren't the place to go. There's very little social going on at any of them.
discojer might have been referring to all kinds of social 'obligations' that come with certain Fleets. Ours, fortunately, doesn't have that. But I can imagine some ppl not liking that if they do.
So, all this may simply be about finding the right fleet to meet the individual's needs! Is there a resource available where people looking to join a fleet can go to find fleets with membership openings (last I heard they still have the 500 cap) and descriptions about things like what is required of it's members, promotion options, etc. so people can be as selective as they want before joining a fleet?
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I'll have you know that I visited the Captain's Table yesterday and there were TWO other players there at the same time...if that's not social, I don't know what is.
Spare me. I'm somewhat of an introvert myself, I don't like dealing with people if I don't have to. I can and will do so online much easier than in person. However, as I've stated at least twice, most fleets, once you join, are as little or as much participation as you like. So you can join a fleet, contribute to projects, buy your gear, and never have to speak to another person as long as the fleet exists.
As for the rest, there is nothing a Fleet sells that is "required" to play or be successful at STO. You can and many people do, do without it.
If you want access to the items a Fleet offers, I'm sorry, but you have to do what every other Fleet member has done. Join and contribute. It really is that simple. Life isn't always fair, and sometimes, neither are MMO's.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
I have upwards of 20 toons in a number of different Fleets and there is NO "having to deal with other people and the nonsense that goes along with it." Two of the fleets I am in, one of which I am a senior officer in, I haven't talked, chatted, emailed etc with anyone there in at least six months, and that was in game email to the fleet leader to make sure he didn't accidentally promote me so high considering how little I interact with anybody. Others get a bit more interaction, such as typing an "x" in the fleet chat to join an STF and a "gg" or "that was fun" when it's over. I even occasionally say HI to people on Fleet chat, when I feel like it.
The facts are this. Numbers of fleets exist where you can play this game forever and almost never interact with anyone beyond the initial request and invite unless you feel like it.
Numbers of Fleets exist that gladly allow non Fleet members to come in and enjoy their holdings with no more interaction involved than asking for the invite.
The greatest amount of "having to deal with other people and the nonsense that goes along with it." in this game occurs at ESD, Quonos, New Rom, Drozana, and DS9, all locations that have absolutely nothing to do with Fleets and all locations that all players are absolutely required to spend time in to get anywhere in this game.
I repeat my intial point, there is absolutely no need, or reason, for the devs to make a major change to the game mechanic "to support the few who hate Fleets, especially when all Fleet stuff is already available to them if they just look for it. "
Closing your chat window while in the location I mentioned previously means you really don't even have to deal with any real people at those location either, although I find it easier to just ignore the idiots annoying chat posts.......
I was wondering, have you actually been a member of a fleet in STO?
For the first part, my main feeling is that if you want a game that is more like game "x", go play game "x". This is STO, if you like it, play it, if you don't, then don't.
As for the second, I won't presume to speak for the Devs, however, I heartily believe that the purpose of the Fleets in STO are designed to match the idea of what they decided Fleets in STO should be. They aren't making a clone of some other game, they are making STO, and frankly, if STO was a clone of some other game, I wouldn't be playing it.