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From start to now they did great things to the game, I've been there every step off the way. But I believe the game needs serious cleaning. There old and new stuff floating the servers from starting day till now there is coding floating around not completely deleted or removed.
It's eating space but also giving bugs trough out the game. to be serious I believe the have to clean up the game big time to get lesser bugs.
But then again I'm a car mechanic not a Game Dev. well it's been up to you guys... But I say it's need cleaning and lesser seasons and more episodes in a season and not every two episodes a new season.
Like I made a poll on this Dominion this they have to reset and upgrade the FE Serie, What really is old is the Breen series.
And like this there are so many things untouched and floating around and creating problems throughout the game.
So hope Gekko is reading this and think yes we need to clean up a bit I never thought off it.

Just like to know how many people agreeing with me.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    I'm not agreeing. This 'bug' topic that keeps coming up, I have yet to see evidence for it. Yes, there are a few long-standing bugs but it would not justify adapting the game update schedule just to fix those handful of bugs, not at all.

    Really game-breaking issues are usually dealt with fairly quickly so calling these 'problems throughout the game' is exaggeration.

    As for the episodes per season thing: does it really matter whether we get more episodes per season, and less seasons, or keep things the way it is? The amount of new content remains the same and will not easily be changed by changing the amount of seasons so I don't see the potential benefit that you seem to think exists.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    I do not agree for now. Cryptic only has so much money to spend.

    They can have writers and artists create a new story episode, or tweak the Dominion arc. Pick one. I choose the new story episode.

    The developers can work on new features and serious bugs, or fixing some old bug that is minor and does not really harm anyone. Pick one.

    Maybe over time the consoles will bring in enough new money that they can hire new people, and have some spare time to work on polishing the chrome instead of fixing the brake line.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    they ALREADY have plenty of money to do all that - but they keep spending it on insanely expensive trek alumni VOs

    which isn't a bad thing - after all, a non-indie game that isn't fully-voiced in this day and age is pretty much an abnormality...but still​​
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,500 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    From start to now they did great things to the game, I've been there every step off the way. But I believe the game needs serious cleaning. There old and new stuff floating the servers from starting day till now there is coding floating around not completely deleted or removed.
    It's eating space but also giving bugs trough out the game. to be serious I believe the have to clean up the game big time to get lesser bugs.
    But then again I'm a car mechanic not a Game Dev. well it's been up to you guys... But I say it's need cleaning and lesser seasons and more episodes in a season and not every two episodes a new season.
    Like I made a poll on this Dominion this they have to reset and upgrade the FE Serie, What really is old is the Breen series.
    And like this there are so many things untouched and floating around and creating problems throughout the game.
    So hope Gekko is reading this and think yes we need to clean up a bit I never thought off it.

    Just like to know how many people agreeing with me.

    What are these recurring bugs you speak of?

    As for the Breen, despite their age they are still an opponent which can bite you in the rear when not prepared.

    Would like to see a small boost to the breen space set, but other than that it is fine at this time.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    they ALREADY have plenty of money to do all that - but they keep spending it on insanely expensive trek alumni VOs

    which isn't a bad thing - after all, a non-indie game that isn't fully-voiced in this day and age is pretty much an abnormality...but still​​

    Most of us want the Trek VOs. This is Star Trek Online not Generic Space Shooty Fun.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,671 Community Moderator
    questerius wrote: »
    As for the Breen, despite their age they are still an opponent which can bite you in the rear when not prepared.

    Would like to see a small boost to the breen space set, but other than that it is fine at this time.

    Yea. The Breen are one of the more interesting of the older enemy groups. That Subnuc can mess you up, and having the Plesh Breks grab you with Tractor Beam can be nasty.
    they ALREADY have plenty of money to do all that - but they keep spending it on insanely expensive trek alumni VOs

    which isn't a bad thing - after all, a non-indie game that isn't fully-voiced in this day and age is pretty much an abnormality...but still​​

    Most of us want the Trek VOs. This is Star Trek Online not Generic Space Shooty Fun.

    Agreed. Having the actual actors reprise their roles adds something special to the game that really adds to the immersion.

    Right now I think the game that had the most Trek actors other than STO was Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force, which had the entire cast (especially after an official patch that replaces whoever they got for Seven with Jeri Ryan). The old TOS games 25th Anniversary and Judgement Rites would be a close second when you consider the CD versions.

    AND I HATE HAVING MY POSTS EATEN IF I TRY TO EDIT ONE MINOR MISTAKE!
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    ^ I'd buy a $10 HD remaster of STV Elite Force, that was a fun shooter with a decent story that felt Trek-like.
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,566 Arc User
    I don't feel like spending money on a game for things when my warp out animation is still bugged.
    I don't feel like spending money on a game for things when I switch ships in sector space and my load out trays all go blank from a bug on the new ship till I warp in to a local system.
    I don't feel like spending money on a game for things when the tonic from Night of the Comet only does half the dance it used to do and feels like a bug.
    I don't feel like spending money on a game for things when I go to fire a torpedo spread and nothing fires but the system starts the cool down like a spread just fired.

    It seriously feels like STO needs a break to test and debug things better. As more annoying "bugs/issues" creep up in my game play I don't feel encouraged to support the product financially.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,671 Community Moderator
    ^ I'd buy a $10 HD remaster of STV Elite Force, that was a fun shooter with a decent story that felt Trek-like.

    Yea. It was fun. I had a mod that gave the Voyager crew First Contact style uniforms. Honestly I don't know why they were never able to switch after reestablishing contact with Starfleet.
    nimbull wrote: »
    I don't feel like spending money on a game...

    Your choice. Don't have to beat everyone else over the head with it several times.

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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    This is Star Trek Online not Generic Space Shooty Fun.

    Generic Space Shooty Fun was the best game ever! I completely burned out an Atari 520 ST--no, wait, it was a Commodore 128--playing that game!

    Allegedly.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    they ALREADY have plenty of money to do all that - but they keep spending it on insanely expensive trek alumni VOs

    which isn't a bad thing - after all, a non-indie game that isn't fully-voiced in this day and age is pretty much an abnormality...but still​​
    Most of us want the Trek VOs. This is Star Trek Online not Generic Space Shooty Fun.
    Agreed. Having the actual actors reprise their roles adds something special to the game that really adds to the immersion.

    Right now I think the game that had the most Trek actors other than STO was Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force, which had the entire cast (especially after an official patch that replaces whoever they got for Seven with Jeri Ryan). The old TOS games 25th Anniversary and Judgement Rites would be a close second when you consider the CD versions.
    More than that, for the most part we'll never see them play the character on screen again. Thus seeing them in-game gives us something we can't see on TV.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    If they would clean up the program a bit they would have lesser bugs right ?
    I don't know I'm just a mechanic not a computer engineer, but what I do know if I clean up my PC it runs a lot better then with the old game and data stuff floating around. But they make good money on the play station and Xbox so PC is a bit forgotten along the way....
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  • veeger#9876 veeger Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    This is easily the buggiest game I have ever played in 20 years. The lack of quality control in this game is staggering. If I didn't love Star Trek I wouldn't play it, I couldn't play it. I agree with the OP, STO needs a good round of bug fixing. I'm baffled how there can be people on this forum who think the bugs are OK. Maybe they only play for Space Barbie?​​
  • ussvaliant#6064 ussvaliant Member Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    I do find myself slightly frustrated with the less than pedestrian rate at which bugs get fixed. The warp in/out one, Death animations, NPC's not despawning or despawned but autotarget still locks into them (space mainly). The account bank being disabled when calling in freighter

    I'd like to see a more proactive bug team rather than see 6-8 patches over the course of 6-8 weeks with no real bug fixes with nothing more than tooltip corrections or cosmetic fixes.
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    Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    Be careful what you wish for :(

    Cryptic is sadly VERY delete happy. Its cheaper and faster than having a Q/A department apparently.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    They can delete whatever they like it's there game and there money, sorry for being sarcastic...but it is what it is, if they to decide to stop with STO No Mather how hard you scream how you think it is unfair. no Mather how much money you have spend it will be lost. that was a bit very dramatic but my point is this, I don't care what they do I just hope they gonna make a plan to let it run smoother then it does now. get those FE stories rewritten like the Breen and the 2800. do something with DS9 for got sake, let Dev's watch it and put some reality in to it. because right now it's one of the saddest places to be. Give the game a twist do something with Star Trek Renegades make rebels in the game or privateers....

    But back to the point at hand, if they went to one of the major MMO's like Rift or WOW I think they could learn a few things here and there. Also STWOR is a major MMO RPG Online game they could learn tricks from. not they have to do exactly like others please don't ... but anyway my statement is this when I started my garage I visited other garage holders learning the ropes, I mean that I'm a good mechanic doesn't mean I can run a garage it's a learning curve. same with gaming industries if they want to be great and build up experiences they have to learn from the masters out there...

    And stop neglecting PC people over the console folks because thanks to the massive population of PC gamer's you where able to start on the console and right now it looks like thanks PC folks we concentrate on Console head start you guys can wait a bit.
    Hire an bigger staff if you need it but do something...

    Ok I'l gut it out who am I to tell how to run there stuff because they do a great thing out there but it could be a lot better !!!
    I'm just saying that's all...
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    They can delete whatever they like it's there game and there money, sorry for being sarcastic...but it is what it is, if they to decide to stop with STO No Mather how hard you scream how you think it is unfair. no Mather how much money you have spend it will be lost. that was a bit very dramatic but my point is this, I don't care what they do I just hope they gonna make a plan to let it run smoother then it does now. get those FE stories rewritten like the Breen and the 2800. do something with DS9 for got sake, let Dev's watch it and put some reality in to it. because right now it's one of the saddest places to be. Give the game a twist do something with Star Trek Renegades make rebels in the game or privateers....

    But back to the point at hand, if they went to one of the major MMO's like Rift or WOW I think they could learn a few things here and there. Also STWOR is a major MMO RPG Online game they could learn tricks from. not they have to do exactly like others please don't ... but anyway my statement is this when I started my garage I visited other garage holders learning the ropes, I mean that I'm a good mechanic doesn't mean I can run a garage it's a learning curve. same with gaming industries if they want to be great and build up experiences they have to learn from the masters out there...

    And stop neglecting PC people over the console folks because thanks to the massive population of PC gamer's you where able to start on the console and right now it looks like thanks PC folks we concentrate on Console head start you guys can wait a bit.
    Hire an bigger staff if you need it but do something...

    Ok I'l gut it out who am I to tell how to run there stuff because they do a great thing out there but it could be a lot better !!!
    I'm just saying that's all...

    Uhh... ok. Well... you do know... that you are actually the one "screaming hard" (hey, your words, not mine :p ) in this thread? I totally agree with your points and that they need to up their love for fixing and testing stuff a lot. I merely explained whats Cryptics "proven" way of dealing with game elements that bothers them too much to fix is -> ignore; delete; with luck: replace with a redone version (i.e several old mission). Thats not all the time and occasionally they do add a surprising fix. But do not assume ever they will abandon their "release quick & dirty and hope it does not break stuff" style.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Anyone play Battletech 'back in the day' of 3025? Remember when the techs could keep 'Mechs functional but everyone had lost the ability to construct new ones? I feel STO is in the same boat. They can keep it running, but no one there knows how to fix older issues.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    They can delete whatever they like it's there game and there money, sorry for being sarcastic...but it is what it is, if they to decide to stop with STO No Mather how hard you scream how you think it is unfair. no Mather how much money you have spend it will be lost. that was a bit very dramatic but my point is this, I don't care what they do I just hope they gonna make a plan to let it run smoother then it does now. get those FE stories rewritten like the Breen and the 2800. do something with DS9 for got sake, let Dev's watch it and put some reality in to it. because right now it's one of the saddest places to be. Give the game a twist do something with Star Trek Renegades make rebels in the game or privateers....

    But back to the point at hand, if they went to one of the major MMO's like Rift or WOW I think they could learn a few things here and there. Also STWOR is a major MMO RPG Online game they could learn tricks from. not they have to do exactly like others please don't ... but anyway my statement is this when I started my garage I visited other garage holders learning the ropes, I mean that I'm a good mechanic doesn't mean I can run a garage it's a learning curve. same with gaming industries if they want to be great and build up experiences they have to learn from the masters out there...

    And stop neglecting PC people over the console folks because thanks to the massive population of PC gamer's you where able to start on the console and right now it looks like thanks PC folks we concentrate on Console head start you guys can wait a bit.
    Hire an bigger staff if you need it but do something...

    Ok I'l gut it out who am I to tell how to run there stuff because they do a great thing out there but it could be a lot better !!!
    I'm just saying that's all...

    Uhh... ok. Well... you do know... that you are actually the one "screaming hard" (hey, your words, not mine :p ) in this thread? I totally agree with your points and that they need to up their love for fixing and testing stuff a lot. I merely explained whats Cryptics "proven" way of dealing with game elements that bothers them too much to fix is -> ignore; delete; with luck: replace with a redone version (i.e several old mission). Thats not all the time and occasionally they do add a surprising fix. But do not assume ever they will abandon their "release quick & dirty and hope it does not break stuff" style.

    Fair point, uh I wasn't screaming merely pointing out facts but yeah I don't believe they do things quick. they have the same love over the game as we do but they could do better... That said I hope I point out in a good direction and set them to think. It's not always making a quick bug sometimes you have to take the side road to reach the high road. And STO have a lot off fans and they have to embrace that and show them they love their creation like we do.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    kirk2390 wrote: »

    ....

    ....

    Fair point, uh I wasn't screaming merely pointing out facts but yeah I don't believe they do things quick. they have the same love over the game as we do but they could do better... That said I hope I point out in a good direction and set them to think. It's not always making a quick bug sometimes you have to take the side road to reach the high road. And STO have a lot off fans and they have to embrace that and show them they love their creation like we do.

    "It's not always making a quick bug"? I'm sure you mean buck but awesome nonetheless :D

    Quick or not, they direly lack proper testing and are faaar to eager to wave stuff through on top of giving the impression of being shell-shocked on the thought of fixing elements that are already in the game for some time which I guess is a major reason for the complains/suggestions you made in the OP. If I would not like or care for the game I would neither support it with my money or more important my time and even much less invest energy to post stuff. Neither would it infuriate me to have every sitting crew member in the constitution interior I bought in December clipping into the chair and and every duty NPC having the wrong talking head because sloppy testing since... February? Why? Because I would not have bought it if I did not care.

    *sigh* Its an MMO, not a magazine. There is no "old" stuff. Only established stuff and new stuff. OK, full stop now, I'll start posting myself into a "rage"; don't want to be there ;)

    TL/DR: I agree with your OP, I do hope they take proper testing and fixing more serious in the future but I really do not see it happening.
  • englishnodenglishnod Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    If they would clean up the program a bit they would have lesser bugs right ?
    I don't know I'm just a mechanic not a computer engineer, but what I do know if I clean up my PC it runs a lot better then with the old game and data stuff floating around. But they make good money on the play station and Xbox so PC is a bit forgotten along the way....

    The problem with bugs in an MMO is that it is all to easy for them to be created on the back of a new feature or a fix to an existing feature, every MMO will suffer from the same symptoms when it comes to these "bugs" granted some companies deal with it better than others.
    I do understand where you are comming from but it is a whole load trickier to deal with bugs in an MMO compared to a single player game, for one thing data has to be kept like for example what missions you have completed how much money you have etc etc.
    I agree that Cryptic probably do make a good amount of money from all 3 of the platforms and from all 3 games (well ok not so much Champions Online :p) but you also have to consider that they are acountable to a higher regime called Perfect World and they demand MOAR MONIES!
    Cryptic do have to balance how they manahe to produce both the MOAR MONIES and fix their game as well as provide new content, do they have it right? probably not but it has got a lot better from where it was a few years ago.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks consoles are getting more attention than pc right now isn't paying attention and is likely illiterate as they clearly can't read.

    Well thanks for the insult but that's alright, explain why the PC gamer is wrong on that statement could you present a comment why this believe isn't true ? We know console is legging behind a bit in episodes but other then that console get more attention then PC at the moment if that ain't true and instead trowing insults could you prove it ?
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    englishnod wrote: »
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    If they would clean up the program a bit they would have lesser bugs right ?
    I don't know I'm just a mechanic not a computer engineer, but what I do know if I clean up my PC it runs a lot better then with the old game and data stuff floating around. But they make good money on the play station and Xbox so PC is a bit forgotten along the way....

    The problem with bugs in an MMO is that it is all to easy for them to be created on the back of a new feature or a fix to an existing feature, every MMO will suffer from the same symptoms when it comes to these "bugs" granted some companies deal with it better than others.
    I do understand where you are comming from but it is a whole load trickier to deal with bugs in an MMO compared to a single player game, for one thing data has to be kept like for example what missions you have completed how much money you have etc etc.
    I agree that Cryptic probably do make a good amount of money from all 3 of the platforms and from all 3 games (well ok not so much Champions Online :p) but you also have to consider that they are acountable to a higher regime called Perfect World and they demand MOAR MONIES!
    Cryptic do have to balance how they manahe to produce both the MOAR MONIES and fix their game as well as provide new content, do they have it right? probably not but it has got a lot better from where it was a few years ago.

    I played a few games from PWE their not so bad their not my thing but their not bad either.
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  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    just like PC desktop towers, when we did delete or uninstall, and then later reinstalled, that created some corruptions in "registry" with old footprints from older program files that was previously removed.
    so, when the devs ran some events or retired some missions for clusters and some episodic missions retired, it may have left some old footprint.
    that is extactly analog comparasions.

    they would have to clear some old footprints and start over with new codes so they can spot those "ID tags" before they add new episode/chapters, or a new "expansion", with ID tags where they can find easier, then it would be less glitchy.
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