The Norway's never been prominently featured, I can understand why it's not on their list to add. Personally, I'd like to see a New Orleans added as an alternative to the Captain level Galaxy Class, but as with the Norway, likely not featured heavily enough to be considered worthwhile :-\
Neither have the Steamrunner, half of the Miranda and Nebula variants, the Yamaguchi, Cheyenne, Daedalus, or the Sabre.
Also, the Norway is a DS9 era ship, meaning it would make far more sense for it to be in STO than any TNG era ships like the New Orleans or TMP era ones like that damn Excelsior they won't haul away as garbage.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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The Norway's never been prominently featured, I can understand why it's not on their list to add. Personally, I'd like to see a New Orleans added as an alternative to the Captain level Galaxy Class, but as with the Norway, likely not featured heavily enough to be considered worthwhile :-\
Neither have the Steamrunner, half of the Miranda and Nebula variants, the Yamaguchi, Cheyenne, Daedalus, or the Sabre.
Also, the Norway is a DS9 era ship, meaning it would make far more sense for it to be in STO than any TNG era ships like the New Orleans or TMP era ones like that damn Excelsior they won't haul away as garbage.
Those Miranda variants, were usually prominently placed, like the Saratoga. The Cheyenne was at Wolf 359, just as the New Orleans was. The Steamrunner (and I think the Sabre) was in First Contact, but I'm having a hard time recalling where the Norway appeared. Also, your opinion on the Excelsior aside, it was a significantly featured ship in both Excelsior and Enterprise-B configurations, thus worthy of a place in game. I'm not saying the Norway isn't worthy, I just think the Nova (and to an extent the New Orleans) are worthier of an appearance
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Norway and Saber were in background shots of DS9 during the Dominion War arc. I don't recall Steamrunner on screen after First Contact.
I think we may be missing an opportunity for some diversity, especially in the case of the New Orleans. Instead of dismissing the ship because of its brief appearance, we could look at our current ship lineups and find a niche that she could fill, such as pure Destroyer, Science/Escort hybrid, or Escort/Cruiser hybrid. The absence of canon information means the ship can be whatever it needs to be to fill out the roster.
Norway and Saber were in background shots of DS9 during the Dominion War arc. I don't recall Steamrunner on screen after First Contact.
I think we may be missing an opportunity for some diversity, especially in the case of the New Orleans. Instead of dismissing the ship because of its brief appearance, we could look at our current ship lineups and find a niche that she could fill, such as pure Destroyer, Science/Escort hybrid, or Escort/Cruiser hybrid. The absence of canon information means the ship can be whatever it needs to be to fill out the roster.
Ahh, if the Norway was only a background ship, that would explain it's lack of inclusion thus far, and given the Steamrunner and Saber have been included, I can only attribute that to the preferences of the ship artists when the game was being designed.
Personally I would move the Galaxy class to being a Rear Admiral, Lower Half, and put the New Orleans class at Captain as a Combat Cruiser as a replacement for the Galaxy class
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We need to keep this thread going!! Yes it def. Shouldn't be a dauntless or Pathfinder maybe a Hybrid of some kind. temporal + Intel maybe? That'd be pretty sick. Boffwise it's gonna be cmdr sci all day but like cmdr sci/lt cmdr uni+temp/lt cmdr tac/lt uni + Intel maybe a lil four-seater?
Edit moved temp from cmdr to lt cmdr.. seemed a little over the top
Temporal is a sweet spec, but it's overdone. Too many temporal seats out there already.
The class as it is is the prototype science vessel. Promote the Lt.Eng to LtCmdr and make the Ens Sci into a Lt Uni, and you have the base for a T6 ship.
Add pilot to the Lt.Cmdr Tac seat for a pilot/sci ship.
Add Command to the Lt. Cmdr Engineer seat and you have a sci/cruiser.
Add Intel to the Cmdr Sci seat and you get a scout/sci ship.
Pick one and/or make a bundle of them.
Better yet, give it Raider flanking and a cloak, enable heavy cannons in the forward weapons slots, and you have a Science/Raider hybrid. In this case, add the Pilot seat to the Lt. Uni station.
My Nova bridge officer seating preference might be something like this:
Commander Science
Lt.Cmdr Science|Pilot
Lt.Cmdr Tactical
Lt.Engineer
Ensign Universal
Sure, that is just a single universal seat, but I think it will cover almost everything one could want. I definitely want a Pilot seat, and a Lt.Cmdr Tactical seat, but I don't want them to be the same. And I'd prefer it remained a science heavy ship.
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I'm happy to see the general consensus is Nova for Pilot.
After all, it's only... logical.
Intel and temporal has been used/abused on several T6 ships while command doesn't make sense on a small ship such as the Nova so Pilot would make it more unique.
One thing which i personally would like is when the Nova gets a console or trait for a specialized mine layer. This would really make it unique.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
A Command Science Vessel would certanily be interesting to have IMO, but the Nova is not the one.
Maybe the Deep Space Science Vessel (aka the Space Shoe?)?
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I'm happy to see the general consensus is Nova for Pilot.
After all, it's only... logical.
Not at all. Not for a science vessel, which always punched above its weight. T6 needs to manifest that capacity through tactically manifesting science skills (aka Temporal) If they were to release a T6 Nova with pilot seating, I would deliberately not buy it, for that reason alone
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As an exploration vessel which is also a scrappy fighter, Intel seems a better fit than Temporal. To my knowledge neither Equinox nor Rhode Island were involved with creating or dealing with temporal effects.
As an exploration vessel which is also a scrappy fighter, Intel seems a better fit than Temporal. To my knowledge neither Equinox nor Rhode Island were involved with creating or dealing with temporal effects.
Well, one of them appeared in a future timeline....
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I'm happy to see the general consensus is Nova for Pilot.
After all, it's only... logical.
Not at all. Not for a science vessel, which always punched above its weight. T6 needs to manifest that capacity through tactically manifesting science skills (aka Temporal) If they were to release a T6 Nova with pilot seating, I would deliberately not buy it, for that reason alone
I still don't really care what specialisation it gets.
Because you're just focussed on getting a T6 Nova
Everyone has their own baises and preferences and playstyles, and I respect that. My suggestion, was from the intent of what would be the best fit for a T6 Nova based on both what we saw on-screen, and how it's been presented in-game (and as a 'leveller' it really is one of my favorites)
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As an exploration vessel which is also a scrappy fighter, Intel seems a better fit than Temporal. To my knowledge neither Equinox nor Rhode Island were involved with creating or dealing with temporal effects.
True, I was simply thinking of Temporal powers as more 'science-y' oriented, given that it's classed in-game as a science vessel
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I'm happy to see the general consensus is Nova for Pilot.
After all, it's only... logical.
Not at all.
Pilot skills are Escort-oriented and designed exactly for ships that are small and maneuverable but able to punch above their weight, all things that exactly describe the Nova.
I'm happy to see the general consensus is Nova for Pilot.
After all, it's only... logical.
Not at all.
Pilot skills are Escort-oriented and designed exactly for ships that are small and maneuverable but able to punch above their weight, all things that exactly describe the Nova.
What part of this are you not getting.
He's not getting the part that's not Temporal!
I personally think Intel is a better fit for the scienciesty of the science ships; it has three science BOffs.
Would you put the pilot seat on the LtCmdr Sci slot or the second LtCmdr slot?
Would you put Tac or Eng as your second LtCmdr?
Would you lay out an advancement path that focuses on Pilot abilities? Science? A compromise between them?
I'm happy to see the general consensus is Nova for Pilot.
After all, it's only... logical.
Not at all.
Pilot skills are Escort-oriented and designed exactly for ships that are small and maneuverable but able to punch above their weight, all things that exactly describe the Nova.
What part of this are you not getting.
He's not getting the part that's not Temporal!
I personally think Intel is a better fit for the scienciesty of the science ships; it has three science BOffs.
Would you put the pilot seat on the LtCmdr Sci slot or the second LtCmdr slot?
Would you put Tac or Eng as your second LtCmdr?
Would you lay out an advancement path that focuses on Pilot abilities? Science? A compromise between them?
As I (and others) have said though, small and nimble Science Vessel with Intel seat is already covered by the Dauntless class.
No point in making it a Dauntless clone with a different skin (although if that's how it comes I'd still take it).
This is an incorrect comparison. The Dauntless is more like a T6 Recon than T6 Nova.
The Nova has Commander and Lt.Cmdr Science science BOffs, while Dauntless has Commander Sci and Lt.Cmdr Tactical. Nova is a 3 Sci BOff ship, while Dauntless is 2 Tac, 2 Sci.
To make it art easy and spread the payout. A small science vessel T6 updates of the following per faction. So art is already there and can use identical stats.
Nova, obviously since that is the thread.
Dhelan, same stats as Nova and same console but battle cloak.
Somraw Raptor, same stats as Nova and Dhelan with same console, but standard cloak.
Console is a nucleogenic harmonic device. Passive boost to engine power and sector space speed. Active to briefly boost aux power but lose the engine boost for duration and cooldown.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
The new spec tree coming out is Miracle Worker, which sounds to me like it's something to do with survival and keeping ships alive under really tough circumstances.
The only time we saw a Nova it was held together with duct tape pretty much so to me it seems like a few miracles were being performed there to keep it running.
So could it be possible to get a T6 Nova in this new spec? Or am i just wildly speculating!
I left it off my Recon, and you should be able to leave it off the Nova, but a dorsal mount just between the forward tips of the nacelles.
Secondary Deflector Pod = has a forward facing deflector.
Intel Pod = has multiple antennae pointing aft and sensor grid panels on every other face.
Tactical Pod = has fore and aft torpedo tubes.
While my main reason for wanting this is to see @reyan01 's dream come true, I also want to see how the T6 version will look like, how the ship designers translate the design to the 25th century. I probably won't buy it, and if I do only for the Admirality card, but I am highly interested in seeing how a T6 Nova could turn out.
I've always thought ALL ships should be viable at tier 6... that is, the ship itself would level WITH you. After all, how many ships did Kirk command? Picard? How many ships did Janeway command?
Jumping from ship to ship to ship just seems odd to me. The trick, of course, is to make them operate in different ways, have different roles.
I believe Kirk had two and Picard at least two. Janeway I do not believe ever mentioned a previous command.
However, from what a friend of mine has told me. The US Navy rotates ship captain's and XO's so none get to familiar with a specific crew. Captain goes to XO a new ship, XO moves up to captain. Rinse repeat.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Miracle Worker sounds more like an Engineer spec. Thus, cruisers and battlecruisers would be a better fit for it than any science vessel.
However, the two-engineer science vessels like the DSSV might be able to seat a Lieutenant rank Miracle Worker BOff. But for a full Commander rank seat, you're going to have to look for an Engineer ship, and that's not the Wells.
Miracle Worker sounds more like an Engineer spec. Thus, cruisers and battlecruisers would be a better fit for it than any science vessel.
However, the two-engineer science vessels like the DSSV might be able to seat a Lieutenant rank Miracle Worker BOff. But for a full Commander rank seat, you're going to have to look for an Engineer ship, and that's not the Wells.
Personally, I would be careful about speculations regarding the Miracle Worker spec. It could just as well turn out to be a "secondary only" spec like Commando and Strategist.
While my main reason for wanting this is to see @reyan01 's dream come true, I also want to see how the T6 version will look like, how the ship designers translate the design to the 25th century. I probably won't buy it, and if I do only for the Admirality card, but I am highly interested in seeing how a T6 Nova could turn out.
Thankyou!
I'd be interested to see what they'd come up with too. Admittedly, I'm FAR more liable to use the Rhode Island skin no matter how good the Cryptic-unique design might be, but I'm honestly expecting this year to end in disappointment where this matter is concerned, particularly if the rumors pertaining to a T6 Wells ring true.
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A T6 Wells? It's probably going to be a lockbox ship. They could still release something for the C-Store this year.
That's the point though, lockbox dual hybrid, sci ship trumps C-store T6 version of a T5 ship. And they wouldn't want to impact on the sales of the more popular (i.e the lock box) one.
Oh.
What annoys me the most about the lack of a T6 Nova is that Cryptic basically missed the perfect opportunity to release one (Delta Rising with its heavy featuring of Harry Kim and the U.S.S. Rhode Island). Instead, we got the Dauntless, a pretend Starfleet vessel. While I do like the Dauntless design, I believe that it should have been released at a later date.
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Two crappy models, the Nova and Rhode Island are technically two different ships
Neither have the Steamrunner, half of the Miranda and Nebula variants, the Yamaguchi, Cheyenne, Daedalus, or the Sabre.
Also, the Norway is a DS9 era ship, meaning it would make far more sense for it to be in STO than any TNG era ships like the New Orleans or TMP era ones like that damn Excelsior they won't haul away as garbage.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I think we may be missing an opportunity for some diversity, especially in the case of the New Orleans. Instead of dismissing the ship because of its brief appearance, we could look at our current ship lineups and find a niche that she could fill, such as pure Destroyer, Science/Escort hybrid, or Escort/Cruiser hybrid. The absence of canon information means the ship can be whatever it needs to be to fill out the roster.
Personally I would move the Galaxy class to being a Rear Admiral, Lower Half, and put the New Orleans class at Captain as a Combat Cruiser as a replacement for the Galaxy class
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Edit moved temp from cmdr to lt cmdr.. seemed a little over the top
The class as it is is the prototype science vessel. Promote the Lt.Eng to LtCmdr and make the Ens Sci into a Lt Uni, and you have the base for a T6 ship.
Add pilot to the Lt.Cmdr Tac seat for a pilot/sci ship.
Add Command to the Lt. Cmdr Engineer seat and you have a sci/cruiser.
Add Intel to the Cmdr Sci seat and you get a scout/sci ship.
Pick one and/or make a bundle of them.
Better yet, give it Raider flanking and a cloak, enable heavy cannons in the forward weapons slots, and you have a Science/Raider hybrid. In this case, add the Pilot seat to the Lt. Uni station.
My Nova bridge officer seating preference might be something like this:
- Commander Science
- Lt.Cmdr Science|Pilot
- Lt.Cmdr Tactical
- Lt.Engineer
- Ensign Universal
Sure, that is just a single universal seat, but I think it will cover almost everything one could want. I definitely want a Pilot seat, and a Lt.Cmdr Tactical seat, but I don't want them to be the same. And I'd prefer it remained a science heavy ship.For Traits and Consoles
Multiphasic Shield Emitter - Universal Console
Passive Benefit: +5 Shield Power
Active Benefit: When activating the multiphasic shield emitter, you gain temporary hit points every 2 seconds for 15 seconds. These hit points do not stack. While the effect last, you also gain significant resistance to radiation and energy damage.
Multiphasic Shield Transfer - Starship Mastery Trait
Your outgoing Extend Shields and Transfer Shield Strength grant additional temporary hit points, and the target also gains a moderate resistance to radiation and energy damage for 15 seconds.
After all, it's only... logical.
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Intel and temporal has been used/abused on several T6 ships while command doesn't make sense on a small ship such as the Nova so Pilot would make it more unique.
One thing which i personally would like is when the Nova gets a console or trait for a specialized mine layer. This would really make it unique.
Maybe the Deep Space Science Vessel (aka the Space Shoe?)?
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Well, one of them appeared in a future timeline....
Everyone has their own baises and preferences and playstyles, and I respect that. My suggestion, was from the intent of what would be the best fit for a T6 Nova based on both what we saw on-screen, and how it's been presented in-game (and as a 'leveller' it really is one of my favorites)
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"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Pilot skills are Escort-oriented and designed exactly for ships that are small and maneuverable but able to punch above their weight, all things that exactly describe the Nova.
What part of this are you not getting.
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He's not getting the part that's not Temporal!
I personally think Intel is a better fit for the scienciesty of the science ships; it has three science BOffs.
Would you put the pilot seat on the LtCmdr Sci slot or the second LtCmdr slot?
Would you put Tac or Eng as your second LtCmdr?
Would you lay out an advancement path that focuses on Pilot abilities? Science? A compromise between them?
This is an incorrect comparison. The Dauntless is more like a T6 Recon than T6 Nova.
The Nova has Commander and Lt.Cmdr Science science BOffs, while Dauntless has Commander Sci and Lt.Cmdr Tactical. Nova is a 3 Sci BOff ship, while Dauntless is 2 Tac, 2 Sci.
Nova, obviously since that is the thread.
Dhelan, same stats as Nova and same console but battle cloak.
Somraw Raptor, same stats as Nova and Dhelan with same console, but standard cloak.
Console is a nucleogenic harmonic device. Passive boost to engine power and sector space speed. Active to briefly boost aux power but lose the engine boost for duration and cooldown.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
The only time we saw a Nova it was held together with duct tape pretty much so to me it seems like a few miracles were being performed there to keep it running.
So could it be possible to get a T6 Nova in this new spec? Or am i just wildly speculating!
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I left it off my Recon, and you should be able to leave it off the Nova, but a dorsal mount just between the forward tips of the nacelles.
Secondary Deflector Pod = has a forward facing deflector.
Intel Pod = has multiple antennae pointing aft and sensor grid panels on every other face.
Tactical Pod = has fore and aft torpedo tubes.
While my main reason for wanting this is to see @reyan01 's dream come true, I also want to see how the T6 version will look like, how the ship designers translate the design to the 25th century. I probably won't buy it, and if I do only for the Admirality card, but I am highly interested in seeing how a T6 Nova could turn out.
Who's the prettiest of them all?
I believe Kirk had two and Picard at least two. Janeway I do not believe ever mentioned a previous command.
However, from what a friend of mine has told me. The US Navy rotates ship captain's and XO's so none get to familiar with a specific crew. Captain goes to XO a new ship, XO moves up to captain. Rinse repeat.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
However, the two-engineer science vessels like the DSSV might be able to seat a Lieutenant rank Miracle Worker BOff. But for a full Commander rank seat, you're going to have to look for an Engineer ship, and that's not the Wells.
Personally, I would be careful about speculations regarding the Miracle Worker spec. It could just as well turn out to be a "secondary only" spec like Commando and Strategist.
You're welcome
A T6 Wells? It's probably going to be a lockbox ship. They could still release something for the C-Store this year.
Who's the prettiest of them all?
Oh.
What annoys me the most about the lack of a T6 Nova is that Cryptic basically missed the perfect opportunity to release one (Delta Rising with its heavy featuring of Harry Kim and the U.S.S. Rhode Island). Instead, we got the Dauntless, a pretend Starfleet vessel. While I do like the Dauntless design, I believe that it should have been released at a later date.
Who's the prettiest of them all?