According to the Novel "the Needs of the Many" which is the basis of this game...B4 gave up his body so Data could live again, B4's mind is stored on a computer somewhere.
The game itself says that Data was in command of the Enterprise E when it disappeared. So if it is Data there at the end they'll have to explain what happened to the Enterprise.
So If is NOT Data, then who might it be? Riker is my best guess.
They already explained what happened to the Enterprise, it was destroyed by the Undine.
Just one little tiny thing wrong with this... The JJ universe is years if not nearly a century behind the prime STTOS/DS9/VOY/TNG/ENT universe timeline. That being the case Data does not exist yet, BUT a cyborg/android does exist and that is Science officer 0178. Could 0178 be a prototype for Data? IIRC 0178 was created by some alien race who did something to a human. So could Singh have examined 0178 for guidence? Perhaps if this was in the Prime universe but again Countdown is only canon to Kt universe and as far as STO goes very little (thankfully IMHO) of that KT universe is in the game. As far as Data being around it may be possible when he linked to B4 his programing ended up over writing B4's. That way he could have been kind of sorta commanding the E when it vanished more or less a copy and paste version of Data.
According to the Novel "the Needs of the Many" which is the basis of this game...B4 gave up his body so Data could live again, B4's mind is stored on a computer somewhere.
The game itself says that Data was in command of the Enterprise E when it disappeared. So if it is Data there at the end they'll have to explain what happened to the Enterprise.
So If is NOT Data, then who might it be? Riker is my best guess.
They already explained what happened to the Enterprise, it was destroyed by the Undine.
Just one little tiny thing wrong with this... The JJ universe is years if not nearly a century behind the prime STTOS/DS9/VOY/TNG/ENT universe timeline. That being the case Data does not exist yet, BUT a cyborg/android does exist and that is Science officer 0178. Could 0178 be a prototype for Data? IIRC 0178 was created by some alien race who did something to a human. So could Singh have examined 0178 for guidence? Perhaps if this was in the Prime universe but again Countdown is only canon to Kt universe and as far as STO goes very little (thankfully IMHO) of that KT universe is in the game. As far as Data being around it may be possible when he linked to B4 his programing ended up over writing B4's. That way he could have been kind of sorta commanding the E when it vanished more or less a copy and paste version of Data.
I believe ST: Countdown details the events leading up to and immediately preceding Spock and Nero traveling back in time and creating the Kelvin Timeline. So, it doesn't present a problem at all. As those events take place in the Prime Timeline, they would be canon to STO as well. As to Data and B4, that's been covered already.
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Well, there is a Riker in a yellow uniform. In an NG episode where the Enterprise finds a largely destroyed Federation outpost on an inhospitable planet they found a transporter clone of Riker alive on the outpost eking out an existence while awaiting rescue.
Picard then calls Data to the witness stand and enters as evidence Data's personal belongings, a sample of the items he had packed in preparation of his resignation: a plaque of his Starfleet medals, a book that was given to him by his captain, and a holocube portrait of the late Enterprise crewmember Tasha Yar.
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Picard questions Data about the holocube of Tasha Yar, taking the time to set it out and activate it, stating for the record that he has "no other portraits of [his] fellow crewmates." Data replies that he would prefer not to answer any questions related to Yar, as he had given his word to her to not speak of the matter. Picard gently reminds Data that considering the circumstances, he doesn't believe that Tasha would mind. Data reveals, with what can only be interpreted as discomfort, that she was special to him because they had been intimate with one another – eliciting Captain Louvois to sit up straight in surprise, who looks to Riker as if to say "Did you know about this?" The manner in which Picard asks the question combined with Riker's refusal to meet Louvois's gaze indicate that they were indeed both aware of what happened between Data and Yar. Maddox, witnessing Riker's reaction, is also surprised that Riker knew.
I remember reading a Star Trek Novel: "Survivors" that also focused on Tasha Yar's background. One of the better early TNG novels.
(Memory Alpha: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Survivors)
Might not be a coincidence, though the story itself of course has nothing to do with the story of the novel, it still has the same theme: Tasha Yar was a survivor. (TNG broke her "streak"....)
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I don't see why the Countdown comic is so hard for some people.
The Prime Timeline canonically ended in the flashbacks (flash-forwards?) we see in 09. Non-canonically (and only including the STO continuity) Countdown is set before, around, and after those flashbackforewards and continues the Prime Timeline, STO then continues on from Countdown.
The Kelvin Timeline films are called that as the vast majority of their runtime takes place in the KT (excluding the Kelvin bits, flashbacks to the Franklin, and the flashbackforewards to Spock and Hobus). It's the same reason Generations is still a TNG film despite there being TOS Film era bits in it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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According to the Novel "the Needs of the Many" which is the basis of this game...B4 gave up his body so Data could live again, B4's mind is stored on a computer somewhere.
The game itself says that Data was in command of the Enterprise E when it disappeared. So if it is Data there at the end they'll have to explain what happened to the Enterprise.
So If is NOT Data, then who might it be? Riker is my best guess.
They already explained what happened to the Enterprise, it was destroyed by the Undine.
Just one little tiny thing wrong with this... The JJ universe is years if not nearly a century behind the prime STTOS/DS9/VOY/TNG/ENT universe timeline. That being the case Data does not exist yet, BUT a cyborg/android does exist and that is Science officer 0178. Could 0178 be a prototype for Data? IIRC 0178 was created by some alien race who did something to a human. So could Singh have examined 0178 for guidence? Perhaps if this was in the Prime universe but again Countdown is only canon to Kt universe and as far as STO goes very little (thankfully IMHO) of that KT universe is in the game. As far as Data being around it may be possible when he linked to B4 his programing ended up over writing B4's. That way he could have been kind of sorta commanding the E when it vanished more or less a copy and paste version of Data.
I believe ST: Countdown details the events leading up to and immediately preceding Spock and Nero traveling back in time and creating the Kelvin Timeline. So, it doesn't present a problem at all. As those events take place in the Prime Timeline, they would be canon to STO as well. As to Data and B4, that's been covered already.
It's definitely Data, but STO probably can't say so like they can't say Q is Q (but instead Q Junior).
Though, why is he in uniform? He left Starfleet, I assume, when he became a professor at Oxford, and Unexpected Honor says he had grey streaks in his hair. Just sayin he should've been wearing the old professor's brown coat with elbow patches in this episode.
Actually, the explanation was that B4 was given over to the Daystrom Institute to be looked after.
La Forge went to work for the Daystrom Institute for a time
La Forge did some tinkering inside B4's mind and unlocked Data's memories, thus awakening Data in B4's body.
IIRC, the "Needs of the Many" book for STO implies Data was pretty angry about this, arguing that his life wasn't more important then his brothers, and that he planed to build an ew body for B4, so he could transfer B4's memories into it, so B4 could have a chance to live.
Yep, and at the end of Unexpected Honor, he walks into a cybernetics lab right behind his room at Oxford and works on B4.
@mattjohnsonva Sto gampedia and anything with wiki in it are user written articles and can be made to say anything and aren't credible sources. You seem to be taking them as scientific evidence.
My guess it's Data. Sure he left starfleet to work at the Daystrom institute, but with the major wars the Federation has suffered since the Delta Quadrant and the arrival of the Iconians, Data could of resumed his commission as an Engineer to help starfleet.
Never know.
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Except Data's emotion chip was presumably equipped on Data 1.0 when he was destroyed. This would be (if him at all) Data 2.0 since he got B4s body. Even if he did have it...emotion chip was made for Data only. Lore was newer than B4, and even Lore couldn't handle it.
I can see it now, Sela coming to truly regret having asked him about her mother.
*two hours into an incredibly detailed recount of every mundane detail of the time he knew her*
Data: However, when I came to know her best was during the incident involving the SS Tsiolkovsky. At one point during the time in which the crew was suffering from polywater intoxication, she inquired as to my intimate functionality to which I replied that I was indeed fully functional and anatomically correct. She then proceeded to--"
Sela: "DATA! That is my MOTHER you're talking about!"
Data: "I am aware, I remind you my memory functions are several orders of magnitude more efficient than yours. As I was saying, I noted that her attire was quite bizarre, and not in line with uniform regulations in any way whatsoever, but I did not have much time to examine the outfit as she began to remove it almost immediately and --"
Sela: "STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!"
Data: "I do not understand, you requested all information in my memory banks regarding your mother, I do not understand why you are upset when I am merely complying with your--"
Sela: "SOMEONE MAKE HIM STOP, GET HIM OUT OF HERE I BEG YOU PLEAAASEEEE....!!!"
This would be correct if Data lacked his emotion chip, which he does not.
I don't think that would be correct. Data used to respect the privacy of others, and he basically had a "modesty" programming (as Soong said, before he programmed that, Data liked to run around naked in the colony.)
He didn't need an emotion ship to maintain a basic decorum.
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It was mentioned in Insurrection that he didn't take his emotion chip on the Baku mission, so he's already figured out a way to remove it. Also, I'm glad this is Data. I was busy focused on the hologram, and the Facility 4089 or whatever number it is, to realise it was Data. Gonna have to replay this mission again and focus on the guy this time.
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I thought the skin was too dark for Data. Or B4's body. Which was not as up to date as Data since he was a prototype and there were even changes from Lore to Data even so B4 is like Windows ME, Lore was Windows XP, but Data was Windows 7 to put it in our computer OS terms anyone can know.
Um, not wanting to sound like an ignorant nerd here but..... I've seen the deleted scenes for nemesis and i do not recall ever seeing one where Geordi cleans out Data's quarters and finds an emotion chip. I want to say this is shenanigans and does not exist.
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Just one little tiny thing wrong with this... The JJ universe is years if not nearly a century behind the prime STTOS/DS9/VOY/TNG/ENT universe timeline. That being the case Data does not exist yet, BUT a cyborg/android does exist and that is Science officer 0178. Could 0178 be a prototype for Data? IIRC 0178 was created by some alien race who did something to a human. So could Singh have examined 0178 for guidence? Perhaps if this was in the Prime universe but again Countdown is only canon to Kt universe and as far as STO goes very little (thankfully IMHO) of that KT universe is in the game. As far as Data being around it may be possible when he linked to B4 his programing ended up over writing B4's. That way he could have been kind of sorta commanding the E when it vanished more or less a copy and paste version of Data.
I believe ST: Countdown details the events leading up to and immediately preceding Spock and Nero traveling back in time and creating the Kelvin Timeline. So, it doesn't present a problem at all. As those events take place in the Prime Timeline, they would be canon to STO as well. As to Data and B4, that's been covered already.
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Picard then calls Data to the witness stand and enters as evidence Data's personal belongings, a sample of the items he had packed in preparation of his resignation: a plaque of his Starfleet medals, a book that was given to him by his captain, and a holocube portrait of the late Enterprise crewmember Tasha Yar.
[...]
Picard questions Data about the holocube of Tasha Yar, taking the time to set it out and activate it, stating for the record that he has "no other portraits of [his] fellow crewmates." Data replies that he would prefer not to answer any questions related to Yar, as he had given his word to her to not speak of the matter. Picard gently reminds Data that considering the circumstances, he doesn't believe that Tasha would mind. Data reveals, with what can only be interpreted as discomfort, that she was special to him because they had been intimate with one another – eliciting Captain Louvois to sit up straight in surprise, who looks to Riker as if to say "Did you know about this?" The manner in which Picard asks the question combined with Riker's refusal to meet Louvois's gaze indicate that they were indeed both aware of what happened between Data and Yar. Maddox, witnessing Riker's reaction, is also surprised that Riker knew.
(Memory Alpha: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Survivors)
Might not be a coincidence, though the story itself of course has nothing to do with the story of the novel, it still has the same theme: Tasha Yar was a survivor. (TNG broke her "streak"....)
The Prime Timeline canonically ended in the flashbacks (flash-forwards?) we see in 09. Non-canonically (and only including the STO continuity) Countdown is set before, around, and after those flashbackforewards and continues the Prime Timeline, STO then continues on from Countdown.
The Kelvin Timeline films are called that as the vast majority of their runtime takes place in the KT (excluding the Kelvin bits, flashbacks to the Franklin, and the flashbackforewards to Spock and Hobus). It's the same reason Generations is still a TNG film despite there being TOS Film era bits in it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Ok that makes sense.
Data posessed the hologram of yar. The skin and hair and the gold uniform are all dead give-aways.
Whoever thinks it might be riker is ridiculous and I wont be mean but it makes me want to shoot myself in the face.
Though, why is he in uniform? He left Starfleet, I assume, when he became a professor at Oxford, and Unexpected Honor says he had grey streaks in his hair. Just sayin he should've been wearing the old professor's brown coat with elbow patches in this episode.
Yep, and at the end of Unexpected Honor, he walks into a cybernetics lab right behind his room at Oxford and works on B4.
Sto gampedia and anything with wiki in it are user written articles and can be made to say anything and aren't credible sources. You seem to be taking them as scientific evidence.
Never know.
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This would be (if him at all) Data 2.0 since he got B4s body.
Even if he did have it...emotion chip was made for Data only. Lore was newer than B4, and even Lore couldn't handle it.
He didn't need an emotion ship to maintain a basic decorum.
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I've seen the deleted scenes for nemesis and i do not recall ever seeing one where Geordi cleans out Data's quarters and finds an emotion chip. I want to say this is shenanigans and does not exist.
If i am wrong then, link?