Then you have movies, which used to be subject to a law called the Hayes Code which had strict content restrictions, now the MPAA which is an industry association serves as a ratings board. Producers seem terrified of receiving the NC-17 rating, and hell even R is risky territory in the minds of many companies which leads to the bizarre result of things like horror movies and action films watered down for a PG-13 rating. These days, it seems difficult to get an R rated movie greenlit unless it's a comedy. Video games are under the ESRB which is another industry group which issues ratings, and again publishers seem terrified of getting the top rating which is AO. Even when the target demographic is the coveted 18-35 year old, these companies act like they're allergic to a rating that restricts them from 13-17 year olds.
Eh, a lot of what you mention here is strictly because the producing companies want to maximize their profit. PG-13 movies tend to make more money, because they have a larger potential audience. So they "water down" their stuff to get more $, not because they're afraid of anything (well, I suppose they're afraid of not making all the money).
And the AO thing for videogames is again about money. Several major retail chains refuse to stock AO games (I think Sony/MS also don't want to certify AO games). So if you get the AO rating (which is pretty much just explicit sex games. and a couple of the most heinous gore&torture-fests), you'll severely restrict your potential sales.
(all that said, yeah - complaints to the FCC by little old churchladies leads to some silly stuff. Like Janet Jackson's superbowl performance, and it's fallout.)
If we were being true to Roddenberry's vision, Risa would be clothing optional. But this is America, where bodies and natural, healthy biological functions are anathema but war and murder and genocide are A-OK!
Have you seen the average American lately? God Bless clothing!
Naked to genocide in 2 sentences... you got a black-belt in outrageology?
Yeah but how many people actually design their characters to look like the average American? :P
If we were being true to Roddenberry's vision, Risa would be clothing optional. But this is America, where bodies and natural, healthy biological functions are anathema but war and murder and genocide are A-OK!
Have you seen the average American lately? God Bless clothing!
Naked to genocide in 2 sentences... you got a black-belt in outrageology?
Yeah but how many people actually design their characters to look like the average American? :P
I wonder if that will be the case when Social VR games become popular. Creating a VR avatar with an idealized body would certainly take some getting used to especially if height is involved or a more interesting avatar like what we can expect with the Champions Online character creation system. After all, it would take some time getting used to controlling a Centaur avatar. I expect that there will be less players creating avatars of the opposite gender especially in games like Bioware games.
Then you have movies, which used to be subject to a law called the Hayes Code which had strict content restrictions, now the MPAA which is an industry association serves as a ratings board. Producers seem terrified of receiving the NC-17 rating, and hell even R is risky territory in the minds of many companies which leads to the bizarre result of things like horror movies and action films watered down for a PG-13 rating. These days, it seems difficult to get an R rated movie greenlit unless it's a comedy. Video games are under the ESRB which is another industry group which issues ratings, and again publishers seem terrified of getting the top rating which is AO. Even when the target demographic is the coveted 18-35 year old, these companies act like they're allergic to a rating that restricts them from 13-17 year olds.
Eh, a lot of what you mention here is strictly because the producing companies want to maximize their profit. PG-13 movies tend to make more money, because they have a larger potential audience. So they "water down" their stuff to get more $, not because they're afraid of anything (well, I suppose they're afraid of not making all the money).
Only to the point where the originally intended audience doesn't want to see the "watered down" version anymore.
And the AO thing for videogames is again about money. Several major retail chains refuse to stock AO games (I think Sony/MS also don't want to certify AO games). So if you get the AO rating (which is pretty much just explicit sex games. and a couple of the most heinous gore&torture-fests), you'll severely restrict your potential sales.
But it's still about prudishness for the retail chains, Sony/MS, etc. It's inevitably about prudishness for someone.
In europe it's not at all hard to get a 18 rating on a videogame and nobody cares.
In europe it's not at all hard to get a 18 rating on a videogame and nobody cares.
Not many people in the US care about the M (games) and R (movies) ratings. It's NC-17 and AO that raise eyebrows. Which one is the European "18" rating more equivalent to? (M/R is "17 or older, or permission of adult"/"mature audiences". They're relatively common ratings. NC17/AO is "absolutely adults only", kind of like an official "X" rating. Explicit sex or fantastically explicit/disturbing violence. At least in theory. Every rating board can run into trouble with subjective members, and there's some drift in standards over the decades.)
...but me, personally, I'm not a fan of "R" rated movies (and the equivalent modern TV shows on HBO/Netflix/etc). I avoided Logan, Deadpool, and Watchmen for that reason. So I'm kind of fine with PG-13/"watered down" stuff. At least from a 'realistic/disturbing violence' standpoint.
Well, looks like the boxes still say swimwear section only, map restricted. I don't suppose you have screenshot of them being in off-duty?
Someone just logged on when I took the screenshot, but I think it's sufficient.
Yes. That's at least two more outfit pieces I can get. It's too bad this info is not anywhere in the game.
Sorry I don't have a screenshot, but I just double-checked on my main.... Swimsuit Top Criss Cross and Swimsuit Top Retro do both show up in the Off-Duty/Bare Chest category. The Retro pants don't appear in the Off-Duty/Tucked Low category, though. No Retro boots, either.
In europe it's not at all hard to get a 18 rating on a videogame and nobody cares.
Not many people in the US care about the M (games) and R (movies) ratings. It's NC-17 and AO that raise eyebrows. Which one is the European "18" rating more equivalent to? (M/R is "17 or older, or permission of adult"/"mature audiences". They're relatively common ratings. NC17/AO is "absolutely adults only", kind of like an official "X" rating. Explicit sex or fantastically explicit/disturbing violence. At least in theory. Every rating board can run into trouble with subjective members, and there's some drift in standards over the decades.)
PEGI 18 is the highest rating, adults only (18 or older). I don't know enough of the american ratings to compare them, but many popular games get 18 ratings and it doesn't raise any eyebrows here.
It's rather pointless to compare ratings when the basis on which titles are rated are culturally different. American ratings penalise nudity, language and alcohol much harder than violence while in Europe and especially Germany (where the FSK ratings for games are legally binding) it's the other way around. Fantasy nudity like Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall (back int he day, that doesn't happen today any more without mods) with no sexual context will usually be suitable for teens (12+) while nudity with a erotic context (like Leisure Suit Larry games) will usually get the intermediate 16+ rating. Violence and war games, if not censored by the publishers/developers, usually gets the highest 18+/adults only rating as well as pornographic material. Historically/culturally there is also the possiblity of games getting impounded and de facto made illegal to trade which is the case when national socialistic symbolism is involved (so games like Wolfenstein or even Indiana Jones - both of those have special German releases where the offending symbols have been replaced) or games that are glorifying violence or crimes against humanity (usually only happens to tasteless semi amateur productions).
What is interesting is that American prudery does seep into popular culture over here, almost osmotically. While nudity and especially language are of minor or no concern at all even native productions started to "bleep" language and pixel or censor nudity although it wasn't required, simply because that's what we see in American productions. Putting aside that especially Germany has a horrible entertainment culture and most of what is produced here is garbage anyway, this trend is even noticeable in people's everyday behaviour when especially younger people start to self-censor cursing on the internet which is stunningly stupid. You wither curse or you don't but don't do it and write the "***" yourself.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
What is interesting is that American prudery does seep into popular culture over here, almost osmotically. While nudity and especially language are of minor or no concern at all even native productions started to "bleep" language and pixel or censor nudity although it wasn't required, simply because that's what we see in American productions. Putting aside that especially Germany has a horrible entertainment culture and most of what is produced here is garbage anyway, this trend is even noticeable in people's everyday behaviour when especially younger people start to self-censor cursing on the internet which is stunningly stupid. You wither curse or you don't but don't do it and write the "***" yourself.
Well not necessarily. On sites with an asterisk censor (like here), there's little point in writing the actual censored words, because they'll just be replaced with **** anyway. And you can't actually tell if I wrote a censored word there or just put in the asterisks myself, either.
So cursing or writing asterisks is in the end the exact same thing. On the other hand, a self-censor can censor less than the automatic censor, as in writing f*** for example.
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Eh, a lot of what you mention here is strictly because the producing companies want to maximize their profit. PG-13 movies tend to make more money, because they have a larger potential audience. So they "water down" their stuff to get more $, not because they're afraid of anything (well, I suppose they're afraid of not making all the money).
And the AO thing for videogames is again about money. Several major retail chains refuse to stock AO games (I think Sony/MS also don't want to certify AO games). So if you get the AO rating (which is pretty much just explicit sex games. and a couple of the most heinous gore&torture-fests), you'll severely restrict your potential sales.
(all that said, yeah - complaints to the FCC by little old churchladies leads to some silly stuff. Like Janet Jackson's superbowl performance, and it's fallout.)
Yeah but how many people actually design their characters to look like the average American? :P
I wonder if that will be the case when Social VR games become popular. Creating a VR avatar with an idealized body would certainly take some getting used to especially if height is involved or a more interesting avatar like what we can expect with the Champions Online character creation system. After all, it would take some time getting used to controlling a Centaur avatar. I expect that there will be less players creating avatars of the opposite gender especially in games like Bioware games.
It ages well, so did the man who wore it originally and still sports it like a champ picking up the ladies.
But it's still about prudishness for the retail chains, Sony/MS, etc. It's inevitably about prudishness for someone.
In europe it's not at all hard to get a 18 rating on a videogame and nobody cares.
Not many people in the US care about the M (games) and R (movies) ratings. It's NC-17 and AO that raise eyebrows. Which one is the European "18" rating more equivalent to? (M/R is "17 or older, or permission of adult"/"mature audiences". They're relatively common ratings. NC17/AO is "absolutely adults only", kind of like an official "X" rating. Explicit sex or fantastically explicit/disturbing violence. At least in theory. Every rating board can run into trouble with subjective members, and there's some drift in standards over the decades.)
...but me, personally, I'm not a fan of "R" rated movies (and the equivalent modern TV shows on HBO/Netflix/etc). I avoided Logan, Deadpool, and Watchmen for that reason. So I'm kind of fine with PG-13/"watered down" stuff.
Sorry I don't have a screenshot, but I just double-checked on my main.... Swimsuit Top Criss Cross and Swimsuit Top Retro do both show up in the Off-Duty/Bare Chest category. The Retro pants don't appear in the Off-Duty/Tucked Low category, though. No Retro boots, either.
Great pic, I'll have to give the vid a watch later. Cheers.
Sounds like the M rating then. Skyrim, Diablo 3, Fallout, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, GTA, etc... those are all M.
What is interesting is that American prudery does seep into popular culture over here, almost osmotically. While nudity and especially language are of minor or no concern at all even native productions started to "bleep" language and pixel or censor nudity although it wasn't required, simply because that's what we see in American productions. Putting aside that especially Germany has a horrible entertainment culture and most of what is produced here is garbage anyway, this trend is even noticeable in people's everyday behaviour when especially younger people start to self-censor cursing on the internet which is stunningly stupid. You wither curse or you don't but don't do it and write the "***" yourself.
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I thought that males in this game were Ken Dolls.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
So cursing or writing asterisks is in the end the exact same thing. On the other hand, a self-censor can censor less than the automatic censor, as in writing f*** for example.