I was waiting for the t6 d7 for a while...unfortunately it's in an r&d pack and I'm not willing to pay 1 billion plus for it. So hopefully the t6 vorcha is c-store. If not I guess I'll be sticking with my Kurak.
Yeah, a T6 Vor'cha variant is so long overdue... It really got me worried when it didn't come out with the T6 sovvie.
And the Vor'kang (nicely screenshotted by the op) is one of my most beloved Star Trek designs overall (second after the Mogai/Valdore/Norexan introduced in Nemesis). I'm so sad neither the T5 Vor'cha or T5 Mirror Vor'cha were upgradable to T5-U. I was using the Vor'kang skin on all.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Im really surprised that they went for the Negh'Var when they did the T6 Galaxy and D'Deridex. The Vor'Cha would have been a better fit with those two, as it fits better with the TNG time period.
This topic has already been brought up many times in the past.
It needs to be brought up constantly until the man in who can at Cryptic gets so sick of seeing people ask for the T6 Vor'cha that he green lights it, and the art team can get to work on one of the most glaringly omitted ships at T6.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
This topic has already been brought up many times in the past.
It needs to be brought up constantly until the man in who can at Cryptic gets so sick of seeing people ask for the T6 Vor'cha that he green lights it, and the art team can get to work on one of the most glaringly omitted ships at T6.
I'm not sure that's going to have the impact you want it to. In part, you have to look at the treatment the KDF stable's gotten this year, and ask if you really WANT them to apply it to a beloved icon of a ship.
lately the push at Cryptic when doing KDF ships, has been to gimp their turn rates and make them the least-desirable-option of every release they've bothered putting one into.
sometimes gimping other stats in the process. (Looking specifically at the Gorn release, also the event D-7 and the Naj'sov.)
so it's really kind of questionable if you want whoever's been kneecapping the stats on KDF ships to handle a Tier Six Vor'cha conversion.
just suggesting maybe it's better to wait, before you end up with a D-9 or Bortasque for your troubles.
That's just crazy to gimp the ship and make it less desirable. IF they are doing that ?, then whoever makes that call needs more than a kneecapping.
It hurts sales ? although the 1st run of KDF Science ships would likely get a pass as KDF players have been so starved of Science magic, it was like waiting for Halley's Comet to pass to see 1 turn up in the C-Store
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
This topic has already been brought up many times in the past.
It needs to be brought up constantly until the man in who can at Cryptic gets so sick of seeing people ask for the T6 Vor'cha that he green lights it, and the art team can get to work on one of the most glaringly omitted ships at T6.
I'm not sure that's going to have the impact you want it to. In part, you have to look at the treatment the KDF stable's gotten this year, and ask if you really WANT them to apply it to a beloved icon of a ship.
lately the push at Cryptic when doing KDF ships, has been to gimp their turn rates and make them the least-desirable-option of every release they've bothered putting one into.
sometimes gimping other stats in the process. (Looking specifically at the Gorn release, also the event D-7 and the Naj'sov.)
so it's really kind of questionable if you want whoever's been kneecapping the stats on KDF ships to handle a Tier Six Vor'cha conversion.
just suggesting maybe it's better to wait, before you end up with a D-9 or Bortasque for your troubles.
Name any ship - Klingon or otherwise - where they have reduced the turn rate on updating it to Tier 6.
They actually upgraded the Bortasque turn rate for its Tier 6 version. It might still be a slow-turning beam cruiser, but it's clearly better then before.
We're not talking about them creating a completely new ship and deciding how they would differ between the factions. We're talking about taking an existing Klingon Tier 5 ship and giving it a Tier 6 variant.
Also, the Naj'sov has a better turn rate (and one extra cloak) compared to the Advanced Research Science Vessel.
And the D7 has an Intel instead of a Command seat, Intel usually being considered the better option due to Override Subsystem Safeties. And of course, it comes with a fully fledged Battle Cloak.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Yup, the T6 KDF releases generally improve over T5 KDF ships. There might be cases where some ROM or FED equivalents are seemingly better, but you can't have it all.
Remember the T6 BortasQu' also got a healthy shield buff in addition to better turn rate. And the Gorn T6 sci vessels get better shields and turn over the Fleet T5-U Varanus while the T6 Vestas gain nothing over the T5-Us (both use a little hull).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
They should just simply release a "Legacy of the Empire" 3-Pack
T6 Kamarag - Kheyler Class with Intel or Temporal Seating - Sci Focus
T6 K'Tinga - B'Moth Class with Pilot Sweating - Eng Focus
T6 Vor'Cha - Dingbat Class with Command/Pilot Seating - Tac Focus
To Make Feds Happy because we can't release just a 3 Pack KDF Pack
T6 Nova - Equinox Class
T6 Constellation - Hathaway Class
T6 Miranda - Reliant Class
*thinks Patrick has never flown a Bortas long enough to know how to use one*
I tested the Get-out-and-push on Tribble when it was there, and I can read a spec sheet. The Tier Six Bortas is a product-improved version of the Tier 5, which was a gimped Oddy. well, it's a 'less gimped' oddy-a ship for rolling in and spamming BFAW on broadsides. It, like it's predecessor, should give up the whole dual-cannons thing and get an extra cruiser power and item slot, and stop pretending to be a Battlecruiser.
I can also look at the recommended builds posted here, and in Reddit.
They're Fed Beamboat builds.
If I want to fly a FEd Beamboat I have plenty of options as a Fed Character, and don't have to sacrifice access to anything since Feds don't have to sacrifice anything. (oh, geez, a few EC...:Rolleyes)
So I was right. You don't even want to try flying it.
*thinks Patrick has never flown a Bortas long enough to know how to use one*
I tested the Get-out-and-push on Tribble when it was there, and I can read a spec sheet. The Tier Six Bortas is a product-improved version of the Tier 5, which was a gimped Oddy. well, it's a 'less gimped' oddy-a ship for rolling in and spamming BFAW on broadsides. It, like it's predecessor, should give up the whole dual-cannons thing and get an extra cruiser power and item slot, and stop pretending to be a Battlecruiser.
I can also look at the recommended builds posted here, and in Reddit.
They're Fed Beamboat builds.
If I want to fly a FEd Beamboat I have plenty of options as a Fed Character, and don't have to sacrifice access to anything since Feds don't have to sacrifice anything. (oh, geez, a few EC...:Rolleyes)
So I was right. You don't even want to try flying it.
I think it's a bit much to expect people to spend money or resources on a ship that they don't want to fly.
Of course, that doesn't make them the type of person that could tell you how the ship works in play. So their opinion is of limited value.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
The Bortasqu' was never a good DC/DHC Battlecruiser. Most especially so for the rigors of PVP. You sacrificed build capability to get the ship to barely acceptable handling levels.
On the flip side was the Fleet Vor'Cha. Excellent handling characteristics and one could easily swing narrow arc weapons to bear on the enemy. The ship didn't really need you to sink much to get her to spin like a top and bring those DHCs onto the target. With that in mind, the player could build the ship up to be better in more areas.
With the Bortasqu', it was frustrating to get to grips with those high powered Fed Escorts guys were flying. Fleet Defiant, Fleet Prometheus, the later Tempest. Not to mention the madness that was the JHAS. DHC/DC fitted Bortasqu's were useless against them.
OTOH, the Fleet Vor'Cha? She danced easily with those Escorts, still fitted with DHCs back when it was "DHCs or GTFO" in this game.
Let me put it like this. In the rigors of PVP, it's hard enough to fight players. In a awful handling ship such as the Bortasqu', you are fighting your own ship to keep up with the speed and flow of PVP as well as your enemies. OTOH, a Battlecruiser that handled like the Fleet Vor'Cha was far more fluid and easy to keep up with the frantic pace of PVP.
That is why the KDF, which had tended to lean more towards PVP for years, hated the Bortasqu'. That is why the Fleet Vor'Cha had been very well regarded by the KDF for both PVP and PVE.
Now, if I wanted to do a Beamboat Cruiser, then I simply jump onto my Fed characters.
Heh, I loathe trying to use DHCs. I find them to be awkward clumsy weapons that rarely are usable unless I park.... I hate parking. Prior to the T6 release I had been trying to get a DHC build to work on a Patrol Escort, but it just didn't work.
I eventually realized part of it was that I was using chase camera and this sort of narrow arc weapon seems to work better when the camera always points at the enemy. I figure it probably also works better when you use mouse steering, but I usually don't do that either since I click on my boff tray to activate stuff. Hmm.... maybe if I was still using a joystick? Enh oh well.
To be honest the Bort probably had DHC capability thrown on as an after thought and wasn't really designed for them. It's not the only flying bathtub that can use DHCs in the game.
Do you think so? Way some people love bringing up the possibility of T7...I'd say we'd hit T7 before we get every ship as T6...especially when it comes to KDF which pretty much never get a ship unless Feds do as well.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
The biggest problem with the T6 Vorcha is that the layout doesn't transition to anything that ends well. The result will be a most assuredly crappy ship. Mediocrity is pretty much the best possible outcome. Its antiquated 4/4 layout renders it unsuitable for a forward-facing configuration and it looks absolutely ridiculous firing beam arrays out of its nothings sideways.
Umm...except 4/4 doesn't mean a damn thing when all anyone every does is just shove 8 beams on it and spam faw...5/3 or 4/4...it's the same thing.
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To be honest the Bort probably had DHC capability thrown on as an after thought and wasn't really designed for them. It's not the only flying bathtub that can use DHCs in the game.
Quite, not the only one bad for the job. Like I knew better than to try Scimitar and D'Deridex with DHC/DC fittings for PVP Interestingly, the D'D and Scimitar were not favored by the Roms for PVP. Too unwieldy, the Warbirds that excelled for PVP were the smaller, faster ones. T'Varo, Dhelan, Mogai, Ha'feh. Those Warbirds were fast, hit hard coming out of cloaks, and zipped away before you knew it. The D'D and Scimitar were poor for that. Once out of cloaks they were sitting ducks.
When I was heavy into PVP, my absolute favorite Carrier was the JHDC. But I fitted her as a Beamboat because it was madness taking a brick like that and fitting it with DC/DHC weapons. Escorts would never be in her firing arc no matter how I specced her for PVP if using narrow arc weapons. JHDC with beams can be built to be tougher and take the focused attacks every carrier faced in PVP. I had it fitted with double Elite Orion Interceptors to constantly harass and pin ships to cripple their speed and thereby nuking their Defense, making them easy for spike dmg attacks for the team. This made my JHDC a threat that couldn't just be ignored and always a focus fire target. With all the grav wells, Escorts going to my ship's tail, DHC/DC fittings would have been 100% useless.
The biggest problem with the T6 Vorcha is that the layout doesn't transition to anything that ends well. The result will be a most assuredly crappy ship. Mediocrity is pretty much the best possible outcome. Its antiquated 4/4 layout renders it unsuitable for a forward-facing configuration and it looks absolutely ridiculous firing beam arrays out of its nothings sideways.
Umm...except 4/4 doesn't mean a damn thing when all anyone every does is just shove 8 beams on it and spam faw...5/3 or 4/4...it's the same thing.
personally I prefer a little style and use 4 dual beamers with a couple omnis in the back seat. Or maybe 3 dual beams and a torp. But I also don't really care about the min/max elite 1%
The biggest problem with the T6 Vorcha is that the layout doesn't transition to anything that ends well. The result will be a most assuredly crappy ship. Mediocrity is pretty much the best possible outcome. Its antiquated 4/4 layout renders it unsuitable for a forward-facing configuration and it looks absolutely ridiculous firing beam arrays out of its nothings sideways.
Umm...except 4/4 doesn't mean a damn thing when all anyone every does is just shove 8 beams on it and spam faw...5/3 or 4/4...it's the same thing.
personally I prefer a little style and use 4 dual beamers with a couple omnis in the back seat. Or maybe 3 dual beams and a torp. But I also don't really care about the min/max elite 1%
Well most people just stick beams on and faw everything because it's easy and its the most powerful...I personally avoid faw because I don't find it fun...I don't find it fun being a flying beam turret. I like to use cannons and torpedoes...like in the show...unfortunately the way this game functions...in punishes you more the more authentic you try to be to the shows.
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And the Vor'kang (nicely screenshotted by the op) is one of my most beloved Star Trek designs overall (second after the Mogai/Valdore/Norexan introduced in Nemesis). I'm so sad neither the T5 Vor'cha or T5 Mirror Vor'cha were upgradable to T5-U. I was using the Vor'kang skin on all.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
It needs to be brought up constantly until the man in who can at Cryptic gets so sick of seeing people ask for the T6 Vor'cha that he green lights it, and the art team can get to work on one of the most glaringly omitted ships at T6.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
That's just crazy to gimp the ship and make it less desirable. IF they are doing that ?, then whoever makes that call needs more than a kneecapping.
It hurts sales ? although the 1st run of KDF Science ships would likely get a pass as KDF players have been so starved of Science magic, it was like waiting for Halley's Comet to pass to see 1 turn up in the C-Store
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
Name any ship - Klingon or otherwise - where they have reduced the turn rate on updating it to Tier 6.
They actually upgraded the Bortasque turn rate for its Tier 6 version. It might still be a slow-turning beam cruiser, but it's clearly better then before.
We're not talking about them creating a completely new ship and deciding how they would differ between the factions. We're talking about taking an existing Klingon Tier 5 ship and giving it a Tier 6 variant.
Also, the Naj'sov has a better turn rate (and one extra cloak) compared to the Advanced Research Science Vessel.
And the D7 has an Intel instead of a Command seat, Intel usually being considered the better option due to Override Subsystem Safeties. And of course, it comes with a fully fledged Battle Cloak.
My character Tsin'xing
Thats quite a journey from austrailia to california everday to shoot rubber bands at random lol
Remember the T6 BortasQu' also got a healthy shield buff in addition to better turn rate. And the Gorn T6 sci vessels get better shields and turn over the Fleet T5-U Varanus while the T6 Vestas gain nothing over the T5-Us (both use a little hull).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
My character Tsin'xing
Could be, the T6 Bortas its great, the set give it a lot of turnrate, i even had cannons on it and no problem at all..
T6 Kamarag - Kheyler Class with Intel or Temporal Seating - Sci Focus
T6 K'Tinga - B'Moth Class with Pilot Sweating - Eng Focus
T6 Vor'Cha - Dingbat Class with Command/Pilot Seating - Tac Focus
To Make Feds Happy because we can't release just a 3 Pack KDF Pack
T6 Nova - Equinox Class
T6 Constellation - Hathaway Class
T6 Miranda - Reliant Class
But where is the Romulan love? Well we have....
T6 D7/Stormbird
T6 Reman Raider with Raider Flanking
T6 Suliban Stealth Crusier [Warp Core]
That way, everyone can be happy!
My character Tsin'xing
I think it's a bit much to expect people to spend money or resources on a ship that they don't want to fly.
Of course, that doesn't make them the type of person that could tell you how the ship works in play. So their opinion is of limited value.
My character Tsin'xing
My character Tsin'xing
On the flip side was the Fleet Vor'Cha. Excellent handling characteristics and one could easily swing narrow arc weapons to bear on the enemy. The ship didn't really need you to sink much to get her to spin like a top and bring those DHCs onto the target. With that in mind, the player could build the ship up to be better in more areas.
With the Bortasqu', it was frustrating to get to grips with those high powered Fed Escorts guys were flying. Fleet Defiant, Fleet Prometheus, the later Tempest. Not to mention the madness that was the JHAS. DHC/DC fitted Bortasqu's were useless against them.
OTOH, the Fleet Vor'Cha? She danced easily with those Escorts, still fitted with DHCs back when it was "DHCs or GTFO" in this game.
Let me put it like this. In the rigors of PVP, it's hard enough to fight players. In a awful handling ship such as the Bortasqu', you are fighting your own ship to keep up with the speed and flow of PVP as well as your enemies. OTOH, a Battlecruiser that handled like the Fleet Vor'Cha was far more fluid and easy to keep up with the frantic pace of PVP.
That is why the KDF, which had tended to lean more towards PVP for years, hated the Bortasqu'. That is why the Fleet Vor'Cha had been very well regarded by the KDF for both PVP and PVE.
Now, if I wanted to do a Beamboat Cruiser, then I simply jump onto my Fed characters.
I eventually realized part of it was that I was using chase camera and this sort of narrow arc weapon seems to work better when the camera always points at the enemy. I figure it probably also works better when you use mouse steering, but I usually don't do that either since I click on my boff tray to activate stuff. Hmm.... maybe if I was still using a joystick? Enh oh well.
To be honest the Bort probably had DHC capability thrown on as an after thought and wasn't really designed for them. It's not the only flying bathtub that can use DHCs in the game.
My character Tsin'xing
Do you think so? Way some people love bringing up the possibility of T7...I'd say we'd hit T7 before we get every ship as T6...especially when it comes to KDF which pretty much never get a ship unless Feds do as well.
Umm...except 4/4 doesn't mean a damn thing when all anyone every does is just shove 8 beams on it and spam faw...5/3 or 4/4...it's the same thing.
Quite, not the only one bad for the job. Like I knew better than to try Scimitar and D'Deridex with DHC/DC fittings for PVP
When I was heavy into PVP, my absolute favorite Carrier was the JHDC. But I fitted her as a Beamboat because it was madness taking a brick like that and fitting it with DC/DHC weapons. Escorts would never be in her firing arc no matter how I specced her for PVP if using narrow arc weapons. JHDC with beams can be built to be tougher and take the focused attacks every carrier faced in PVP. I had it fitted with double Elite Orion Interceptors to constantly harass and pin ships to cripple their speed and thereby nuking their Defense, making them easy for spike dmg attacks for the team. This made my JHDC a threat that couldn't just be ignored and always a focus fire target. With all the grav wells, Escorts going to my ship's tail, DHC/DC fittings would have been 100% useless.
personally I prefer a little style and use 4 dual beamers with a couple omnis in the back seat. Or maybe 3 dual beams and a torp. But I also don't really care about the min/max elite 1%
Well most people just stick beams on and faw everything because it's easy and its the most powerful...I personally avoid faw because I don't find it fun...I don't find it fun being a flying beam turret. I like to use cannons and torpedoes...like in the show...unfortunately the way this game functions...in punishes you more the more authentic you try to be to the shows.