as for rebels, they may have a reduced budget, but they also have the benefit of ALL those prior fully modeled, textured and animated bits from TCW, so they only need to create new stuff and not recreate old things...granted, not a lot of any of that old stuff shows up in rebels, but every model that does is one less they have to make
The block is usually four or so episodes. The Umbara arc for instance, it's all filmed and budgeted together but it's four separate episodes. Back in series 1 and 2 where things were filmed all over the place it was more expensive as planets would be modelled then abandoned never to show up again (Rodia for example) whereas later on they extended the single episodes into 3 or 4 parters to get the most out of the models.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I thought the ship was called discovery which would make sense but shenzhou? even if this had hit cable id have passed.
From what I read last night there will be multiple ships with fleshed out crews, with Discovery and Shenzhou being two of them
Why would you need so many starships and crews, though?
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I thought the ship was called discovery which would make sense but shenzhou? even if this had hit cable id have passed.
From what I read last night there will be multiple ships with fleshed out crews, with Discovery and Shenzhou being two of them
Why would you need so many starships and crews, though?
I have no idea, only sci-fi show I can think of that tried anything like that was the Battlestar Galactica remake, but they waited for the Galactica crew to be fully fleshed out before introducing Pegasus, and didn't keep Pegasus around very long either. I'm a bit worried this could lead to a situation where several main characters don't get much character development ... hopefully the extra ships are mostly in the background.
I've been wondering if Shenzhou is from the future, as in 24th or 25th century thrown back in time, while Discovery is the Fed ship from the 23rd century. Nothing to substantiate that idea, just a thought...
Regarding the Klingon picture, I found this today: "This photo, posted early on Saturday (and quickly removed by the originator), rapidly made the rounds over social media this weekend and sparked a flurry of discussion around the look of the aliens.
The photographer stated that while he labeled the aliens as a “Klingon crew”, he actually “just thought they kinda looked like” the warrior race when questioned about it – so don’t lean too hard on the original statement, which appears to be just speculation". Source is http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/02/leaked-star-trek-discovery-set-photo-reveals-alien-design-costumes/
I've been wondering if Shenzhou is from the future, as in 24th or 25th century thrown back in time, while Discovery is the Fed ship from the 23rd century. Nothing to substantiate that idea, just a thought...
God, I hope not. I've had quite enough of time travel.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
These guys are definitely not Klingons, and they're so ugly I'm hoping they turn out to be the heroes of the episode they appear in. It'd be nice if "ugly" and "evil" stopped being synonymous in genre TV.
God, I hope not. I've had quite enough of time travel.
Agreed. The sensor scan we got in the teaser a week or two ago, if it was the Shenzhou, looked a bit too futuristic for the mid-23rd century. That's what started my thinking of that possibility. Hope I'm wrong.
I wouldn't say "exactly". Took cues from them? Yes. Still recognizable? Yes.
The KT Klingons are not EXACTLY the same, but they follow the species design set by everything that came before them. TMP was the first movie that introduced us to the modern Klingon look. And yea... TUC was a bit different, but still recognizable. Maybe as a different ethnic group with less pronounced forehead ridges or something.
Maybe the Kelvin Universe Klingons underwent their augmentation cure earlier than the Prime Universe Klingons did. The Kelvin Universe Klingons look like they are transitioning from the TOS Klingons to TNG Klingons.
If those are Discovery Klingons, then they might be similar to black Vulcans. They are just from the Southern Continent of Qo'noS that aren't mentioned by most Klingons. However, it is more likely that they are a warrior race of the Klingon Empire and not anyone that came from Qo'noS.
Oh, how much I hate this stupid augment nonsense...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Oh, how much I hate this stupid augment nonsense...
Agreed. Enterprise should have left the explanation to "We don't like talking about it" instead of coming up with the whole Augment nonsense. The only way to remove it is to consider Enterprise as a holographic simulation. So is the entire Enterprise series a holographic simulation with the Temporal Cold War and Augment added to the series as part of the creator's artistic license or just the series finale?
Agreed. Enterprise should have left the explanation to "We don't like talking about it" instead of coming up with the whole Augment nonsense. The only way to remove it is to consider Enterprise as a holographic simulation. So is the entire Enterprise series a holographic simulation with the Temporal Cold War and Augment added to the series as part of the creator's artistic license or just the series finale?
Canonically, there is no debate, everything n ENT happened and is part of the original timeline. My personal headcanon, since none of that makes sense, places ENT in a alternate reality, entered via FC Borg incursion which ultimately led to the KT, so ENT and the KT take place in their timeline and the prime timeline is continuing untouched by that - for them, the Enterprise traveling back in time undid the assimilation of Earth just like Kirk's and Sisko's time travel always saved the current timeline. The spawned ENT timeline however continues as well, leading to the KT films.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Maybe the Kelvin Universe Klingons underwent their augmentation cure earlier than the Prime Universe Klingons did. The Kelvin Universe Klingons look like they are transitioning from the TOS Klingons to TNG Klingons.
A far simpler explanation is that the virus didn't affect the entire Empire, why would it? The ID Klingons are therefore justified in looking identical to ENT and TNG Klingons unlike the TMP and TUC Klingons.
If those are Discovery Klingons, then they might be similar to black Vulcans. They are just from the Southern Continent of Qo'noS that aren't mentioned by most Klingons. However, it is more likely that they are a warrior race of the Klingon Empire and not anyone that came from Qo'noS.
The first bit dosn't make any sense they are not Klingons with different colour skin or say, ridged vs. ridgeless Romulans, they are a massive departure from the Klingon makeup. The only way out of this if they are Klingons is to make them Imperial subjects.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
...It'd be nice if "ugly" and "evil" stopped being synonymous in genre TV.
Don't know about you, but I didn't find Boomer or Number Six ugly and they were bad guys...
Idk if they can really be counted as evil though, considering by the time the show ended the sixes and eights were allied with the colonials, and the "Boomer" eight was a rather conflicted character right up until her final death.
Also, those definitely aren't Klingon-inspired outfits they're wearing. What they remind me of more than anything is the Folding Wings costume part from Champions Online.
The spiky armor looks ridiculous and out of place for something that is supposedly a science fiction franchise. Furthermore, it looks impractical and dangerous to the wearers and their team mates. Maybe Star Trek should stop pretending to be science fiction?
Oh, how much I hate this stupid augment nonsense...
Why? IMO it was a well thought out explanation to bridge between the TOS & TNG look of Klingons. It gave canonical legitimization to something waved of as TOS silliness previously. I loved it, was a charming idea.
I've been wondering if Shenzhou is from the future, as in 24th or 25th century thrown back in time, while Discovery is the Fed ship from the 23rd century. Nothing to substantiate that idea, just a thought...
Regarding the Klingon picture, I found this today: "This photo, posted early on Saturday (and quickly removed by the originator), rapidly made the rounds over social media this weekend and sparked a flurry of discussion around the look of the aliens.
The photographer stated that while he labeled the aliens as a “Klingon crew”, he actually “just thought they kinda looked like” the warrior race when questioned about it – so don’t lean too hard on the original statement, which appears to be just speculation". Source is http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/02/leaked-star-trek-discovery-set-photo-reveals-alien-design-costumes/
Maybe the 23c stuff is just a hoax. Maybe its similar to AoY where the crew starts in 23c and after 5-10 min gets dropped in the 25c where they and the 25c Starfleet command have to deal with each others slightly dissimilar way to engage stuff (more loose phasers & gut decisions vs. diplomacy & directive bureaucracy).
Why? IMO it was a well thought out explanation to bridge between the TOS & TNG look of Klingons. It gave canonical legitimization to something waved of as TOS silliness previously. I loved it, was a charming idea. (...)
To me it was exactly the opposite. Feeling the need to explain costumes from different eras when previously Roddenberry already stated it was a simple budget decision but Klingons should always have looked like the "modern" ones was completely unnecessary. The explanations of an "augment virus" is, in my opinion, ludicrous even by Star Trek standards and it ruined the charming, light hearted in-joke we got during "Trials and Tribbleations" which was a really lovingly crafted episode that contained so much fun, heart and dedication. That alone is a reason I can and will never accept the augment virus in my headcanon, canon be damned
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Why? IMO it was a well thought out explanation to bridge between the TOS & TNG look of Klingons. It gave canonical legitimization to something waved of as TOS silliness previously. I loved it, was a charming idea. (...)
To me it was exactly the opposite. Feeling the need to explain costumes from different eras when previously Roddenberry already stated it was a simple budget decision but Klingons should always have looked like the "modern" ones was completely unnecessary. The explanations of an "augment virus" is, in my opinion, ludicrous even by Star Trek standards and it ruined the charming, light hearted in-joke we got during "Trials and Tribbleations" which was a really lovingly crafted episode that contained so much fun, heart and dedication. That alone is a reason I can and will never accept the augment virus in my headcanon, canon be damned
To be fair, is the idea of an 'augment virus' so ludicrous? Genetic augmentation on Earth was banned in the Star Trek Universe for a reason, and the relevant episode suggests that the Klingons had little or no experience with genetic engineering, let alone with alien DNA. It's possible that human lymphocytes or neuro-chemicals combined with similar Klingon characteristics caused an infectious mutation.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
To be fair, is the idea of an 'augment virus' so ludicrous? (...)
To me it is. I don't buy anything Star Trek tries to explain with "genetics" which usually result in bone structure changing in real time when becoming "infected" and the effects can be reversed with a hypospray just as well. Hell, the Doctor simply reversed the transformation to Lizards by waving his hand without any consequences at all. I like Star Trek, but whenever they try to explain something that is not complete made-up space magic it's a train wreck.
The reason I reject the Klingon augments is simply because I didn't need in-universe explanations for real life circumstances. I think it is really stupid and unnecessary plus as I outlined above, int his case they ruined a completely perfect and impressive way of dealing with the "issue" just because ENT couldn't survive without having Borg, Klingons and other things in it which weren't supposed to be a thing in this era. If you want to make a prequel you should make a prequel and not a sequel and simply call it one.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
To be fair, is the idea of an 'augment virus' so ludicrous? (...)
To me it is. I don't buy anything Star Trek tries to explain with "genetics" which usually result in bone structure changing in real time when becoming "infected" and the effects can be reversed with a hypospray just as well. Hell, the Doctor simply reversed the transformation to Lizards by waving his hand without any consequences at all. I like Star Trek, but whenever they try to explain something that is not complete made-up space magic it's a train wreck.
The reason I reject the Klingon augments is simply because I didn't need in-universe explanations for real life circumstances. I think it is really stupid and unnecessary plus as I outlined above, int his case they ruined a completely perfect and impressive way of dealing with the "issue" just because ENT couldn't survive without having Borg, Klingons and other things in it which weren't supposed to be a thing in this era. If you want to make a prequel you should make a prequel and not a sequel and simply call it one.
Wait... remind me of your take on the newer/Enterprise treatment of the Gorn?
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The block is usually four or so episodes. The Umbara arc for instance, it's all filmed and budgeted together but it's four separate episodes. Back in series 1 and 2 where things were filmed all over the place it was more expensive as planets would be modelled then abandoned never to show up again (Rodia for example) whereas later on they extended the single episodes into 3 or 4 parters to get the most out of the models.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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-Thomas Marrone
I thought the ship was called discovery which would make sense but shenzhou? even if this had hit cable id have passed.
From what I read last night there will be multiple ships with fleshed out crews, with Discovery and Shenzhou being two of them
Why would you need so many starships and crews, though?
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
I have no idea, only sci-fi show I can think of that tried anything like that was the Battlestar Galactica remake, but they waited for the Galactica crew to be fully fleshed out before introducing Pegasus, and didn't keep Pegasus around very long either. I'm a bit worried this could lead to a situation where several main characters don't get much character development ... hopefully the extra ships are mostly in the background.
Regarding the Klingon picture, I found this today: "This photo, posted early on Saturday (and quickly removed by the originator), rapidly made the rounds over social media this weekend and sparked a flurry of discussion around the look of the aliens.
The photographer stated that while he labeled the aliens as a “Klingon crew”, he actually “just thought they kinda looked like” the warrior race when questioned about it – so don’t lean too hard on the original statement, which appears to be just speculation". Source is http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/02/leaked-star-trek-discovery-set-photo-reveals-alien-design-costumes/
Also, since we're talking Discovery - new cast members announced yesterday: http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/02/next-star-trek-discovery-officers-beam-aboard/
God, I hope not. I've had quite enough of time travel.
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Agreed. The sensor scan we got in the teaser a week or two ago, if it was the Shenzhou, looked a bit too futuristic for the mid-23rd century. That's what started my thinking of that possibility. Hope I'm wrong.
aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
either to conquer or to die for the Empire
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Maybe the Kelvin Universe Klingons underwent their augmentation cure earlier than the Prime Universe Klingons did. The Kelvin Universe Klingons look like they are transitioning from the TOS Klingons to TNG Klingons.
If those are Discovery Klingons, then they might be similar to black Vulcans. They are just from the Southern Continent of Qo'noS that aren't mentioned by most Klingons. However, it is more likely that they are a warrior race of the Klingon Empire and not anyone that came from Qo'noS.
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Agreed. Enterprise should have left the explanation to "We don't like talking about it" instead of coming up with the whole Augment nonsense. The only way to remove it is to consider Enterprise as a holographic simulation. So is the entire Enterprise series a holographic simulation with the Temporal Cold War and Augment added to the series as part of the creator's artistic license or just the series finale?
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Canonically, there is no debate, everything n ENT happened and is part of the original timeline. My personal headcanon, since none of that makes sense, places ENT in a alternate reality, entered via FC Borg incursion which ultimately led to the KT, so ENT and the KT take place in their timeline and the prime timeline is continuing untouched by that - for them, the Enterprise traveling back in time undid the assimilation of Earth just like Kirk's and Sisko's time travel always saved the current timeline. The spawned ENT timeline however continues as well, leading to the KT films.
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A far simpler explanation is that the virus didn't affect the entire Empire, why would it? The ID Klingons are therefore justified in looking identical to ENT and TNG Klingons unlike the TMP and TUC Klingons.
The first bit dosn't make any sense they are not Klingons with different colour skin or say, ridged vs. ridgeless Romulans, they are a massive departure from the Klingon makeup. The only way out of this if they are Klingons is to make them Imperial subjects.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Idk if they can really be counted as evil though, considering by the time the show ended the sixes and eights were allied with the colonials, and the "Boomer" eight was a rather conflicted character right up until her final death.
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Why? IMO it was a well thought out explanation to bridge between the TOS & TNG look of Klingons. It gave canonical legitimization to something waved of as TOS silliness previously. I loved it, was a charming idea.
Maybe the 23c stuff is just a hoax. Maybe its similar to AoY where the crew starts in 23c and after 5-10 min gets dropped in the 25c where they and the 25c Starfleet command have to deal with each others slightly dissimilar way to engage stuff (more loose phasers & gut decisions vs. diplomacy & directive bureaucracy).
To me it was exactly the opposite. Feeling the need to explain costumes from different eras when previously Roddenberry already stated it was a simple budget decision but Klingons should always have looked like the "modern" ones was completely unnecessary. The explanations of an "augment virus" is, in my opinion, ludicrous even by Star Trek standards and it ruined the charming, light hearted in-joke we got during "Trials and Tribbleations" which was a really lovingly crafted episode that contained so much fun, heart and dedication. That alone is a reason I can and will never accept the augment virus in my headcanon, canon be damned
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To be fair, is the idea of an 'augment virus' so ludicrous? Genetic augmentation on Earth was banned in the Star Trek Universe for a reason, and the relevant episode suggests that the Klingons had little or no experience with genetic engineering, let alone with alien DNA. It's possible that human lymphocytes or neuro-chemicals combined with similar Klingon characteristics caused an infectious mutation.
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To me it is. I don't buy anything Star Trek tries to explain with "genetics" which usually result in bone structure changing in real time when becoming "infected" and the effects can be reversed with a hypospray just as well. Hell, the Doctor simply reversed the transformation to Lizards by waving his hand without any consequences at all. I like Star Trek, but whenever they try to explain something that is not complete made-up space magic it's a train wreck.
The reason I reject the Klingon augments is simply because I didn't need in-universe explanations for real life circumstances. I think it is really stupid and unnecessary plus as I outlined above, int his case they ruined a completely perfect and impressive way of dealing with the "issue" just because ENT couldn't survive without having Borg, Klingons and other things in it which weren't supposed to be a thing in this era. If you want to make a prequel you should make a prequel and not a sequel and simply call it one.
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Wait... remind me of your take on the newer/Enterprise treatment of the Gorn?