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The unpopular opinion about PvE queues
damocles2209
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Not starting a thread with the intention to complain, but something has got to give. I cannot count the number of times I have played an advanced or elite queue, only to encounter a team who had no idea what they were doing, costing marks, time, and a lot of patience. It's very obvious that these players have not taken the time to learn the queue on normal, resulting in failed objectives due to stubborn ignorance. It's gotten to the point where it's killing what little motivation I have left to play the content. What I'd like to see to fix this problem: Gear scores, or a requisite number of completions on normal, before the advanced version even becomes available. I know these aren't surefire solutions, but it's all I've got.
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It should also be noted that just a few threads below this one a player kind of complained about the exact opposite. Teams that are too good for the content he would rather like to play in his own pace.
Problem is that no solution we could come up with would work. The real trouble is the fact that close to nobody in this game is left willing to tend to engaging, teamed PvE content at all. Only a few of the extreme players are.
He, who wants to put his 300k DPS build to the test and shows that he brings 30 times as much to a match than what is expected of him. The other extreme is he who has no business even being in a teamed environment but who wanted to stretch the boundaries of his STO experience a bit on the road to endgame.
In all friendship, we cannot afford to sort either of them out. If we did there would simply be nobody left to play with.
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Right, I forgot!
The fact that players can get rewards for every stone they turn in this game may be the core of the problem here. No matter how tedious the activity can get, peeps simply prefer to do just that instead of doing something a tiny bit exciting.
I mean how is a bad pug team where single individuals could show what they are capable of supposed to compete with 2k Dil one click reward out of the admiralty system?! You don't even need a good ship build for that, just a card.
Teamed PvE is not needed anymore in Star Trek Online, OP. Only the nerdy and ugly do it and why play with them. You are much better off stabelizing omega molecules.
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Some folks are trying to level new toons, and/or run a ship up top the top of the mastery. I did both not too long ago. ISA is a favorite (run it close to 2 thousand times) & usually there are enough really good folks to help the ill prepared ones. I did it with a Manticore using rare mk 12 gear and pulled 12k in it. The next run I was tied for the top with another player, with the rest being below us. We still did ok, but it took way longer than the usual 5 minutes.
It would imho be a poor idea to over limit people trying to do this when level 50-to-60 and spec points take a really long time to get.
Yup, was in the Arbiter and running things just fine, then went GalX[T6] and first runs with Cmd instead of Intel powers really made me suck till I got used to the differences!
Agreed, actual skill and experience matters. Having a high DPS doesn't equal skill, and people should remember that. It would be great if the actual themed STF's had a 'tutorial' mission in the Episodes that was unskippable and had mandatory actions that the player had to follow, that way they are forced to learn what to do for that STF. It would be a great help to all PUGs.
I have been both yelled at and done a little harsh texting in game during advanced and elite matches...
However... It all comes down to this for me: You can organize a team of your own buds in game and play any queue on elite that you want with guaranteed results... If you take the RISK of joining a random queue then "youse takes yours chances and youse pays yours dues!"
Just get 4 of your buds who know the mission & have epic gear & hit it hard and fast!
I don't do ground (where I think things matter more?); but in space I rarely care. I come in, blast everythig apart -- certainly on my new Rom *g* -- and hardly ever notice whether others suck or no. Battle of Procycon 5 is one area where you sometimes realize some team members suck a bit, but I just concentrate on doing my thang. And let's face it, when was the last time you were in, say, a CCA pug even that actually failed?!
I remember a few ques they removed that was super hard but people communicated and where is the mixing of ground snf STF runs.
Also a lot of the STF I want to run like KAGE but it's to empty, and it's empty across the boards that I never gets around to it. To many choices and to little player base perhaps? Or they run what's easy and quick. I also don't think new toons should play elite.. I also think they should bring back that random very rare (not obtainable in rep or rnd) drop rewards they had before. Give us a reason to play these STF, other than marks. Or create some system that if you get enough accolades playing certain stfs with special objectives often enough you get access to more stf that's not accessible at first .. create a stf tree that unlocks new stfs maps and rewards. Don't create a huge list of stf and random gameplay.
Fix Defera BZ and all other broken zones. Make them playable even if you where alone in the map or with few number. Also make the BZ feel worthwhile even you only spend 15 min there ( which in STF is 100-150 marks worth).
The problem is also players today don't communicate or don't want to. It's to much about highest DPS and not so much with careers and their respective skills.. give a reason to run a STF as science or engineering...
Or just join the DPS League; then you're pretty much guaranteed to play with ppl (certainly on 30K and up) who actually know the mission objectives, and have the firepower to do it properly too.
Thank you very much.
I bet when you do good in space you would absolutely rock on ground. I for example find it much easier. In the end it comes down to personal preference only. I suppose I'm more of a MACO at heart; if you are more of a pilot then there is nothing wrong with that really.
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I’m sorry about this Liz! I know that our fleet stopped a bit to support the old Borg grounds as many of us are either after salvage tech we only get in elite or want to show off our fancy ship builds.
I should be online Saturday and Sunday afternoon. Klye and Ezria are too. Hit me up in game and we do some old fashion Borg groundsmashing if u like.
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Last week. I was lagging badly, entity got 2 waves off and killed most of my team both times.
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Yeah it's bad enough as it is even in regular and advanced when there isn't always enough people queue'n up to play STFs given the population of this game.
Lots of times, when I am in one, one or more of what I call the "DPS Gods/DPS Snobs" zip in and take out said baddies before I can even get there and let out a shot, and sometimes they will have the gall to chew me out or chastise me because they took out a majority with their steroid juiced ships. Heck, in a ground run of the Elachi station elite, one of them was cussing me out for not using a TR rifle when I was using a terren disruptor rifle instead.....like I was violating some 'dress code' as it were, for ground gear. Oy, vey! X_x;
LOL, yeah, I hear ya.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
And I've been in the shoes of the "new toon without gear on a totally wrong ship for the mastery" guy, but then I switch back to normal if I cannot contribute properly on advanced. (Don't forget that there are some STFs where you don't need to have any noticeable build though, if you use other's aggro drawing to sneak in and complete objectives - you're depending on others being able to do DPS in those, but if they are there, you can contribute.
However, some queues will only pop on normal once a blue moon falls on friday the 13th, so if you want to experience them, you gotta be going for advanced.
Yeah, the good old '10% rule' and all that.
"Remember, ABC = Always Be Closing"
Never know whether such things help, but doing it regardless.
In Azure Nebula, freeing those ships held in tractor beams is actually a good thing!
And as someone who has received heals in pugs, I want to thank you for being one of those ppl who cares!
They often do the tractor beams after the fights, but I try to do 'em during the fights, which help shave off wasted time, and, hence, possibly squeezing out a few more freed ships for a few more points.
Sometimes NPCS that get their health to zero gotta stop and and heal up....plus in the Dyson quest where you and Tuvok are with "Dr. Cooper" you get a accalod....can't spell the word
And your welcome ^_^ V ~curtsy~ I'm other thought of as a mother hen by those, since....in any battle, a real team mate is there to watch your back, making sure you can send those monthly subspace messages to the friends and family back home.
Im gonna put this short and sweet
Live by the PUG, you die by the PUG.
Hahaha! Totally misunderstood you! I thought you meant healing NPC's, like a Borg Cube or something :P Would be hilarious, btw (but, come to think of it, iirc, I think a lot of NPC's can't be healed like that).
Normal doesn't prepare the player in any way for advanced though. Enemies are usually dead before you can look at them. At least that's my experience.
It could work, but they'd need to make normal difficulty somewhat more difficult to make team work necessary and get the players an idea of what Advanced will be. In the Advanced versions of the Borg STF's, the enemies could definitely be buffed without causing too much trouble then.
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