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Is Noye supposed to be Future Guy from ENT?

observatorrobservatorr Member Posts: 30 Arc User
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Noye and Future Guy both use the same temporal communication technology, but there has been no mention of Noye having any connection to the Suliban Cabal. Furthermore, Future Guy told Archer that the Xindi worked for a different faction in the Temporal Cold War (the Sphere Builders). But in Star Trek Online, Noye is allied with the Sphere Builders.

Have any of the Cryptic writers ever said whether or not they are meant to be the same?

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  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    Yes he is supposed to be, despite the fact that the writers mentioned several years ago that it was supposed to be a future version of archer the whole time
  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    It is... unclear. There are indicators - subtle and unsubtle alike - for either conclusion.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    It's unclear indeed. It was specifically mentioned that they couldn't travel through time. Noye does it all the time.

    And there's of course the unanswered question as to why he would inform Archer of who was behind the attack on Earth (the Xindi) when Noye is clearly allied with the Sphere Builders who manipulated the Xindi into attacking Earth.

  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    Because there is actually more than one 'Future Guy'. At one point Archer posed as him to get the Xindi to bring him back to his time. Based on how much he was being messed up by the events of Procyon, the one to warn Archer was one of the alt Daniels. But he did not know that till after he was reintegrated once the battle was actually won.

    Or to put it another way. Timey-wimey ball.

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    The showrunners of ENT have said at various times that Future Guy is Archer, a Romulan, or Daniels. Now all of those are non-canon but the Devs have used that sort of information for minor things in the game before. If we get ab identity for FG i suspect it'll be one of those three options.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    Maybe Future Guy is the future version of some fictional versions of Jack the Ripper: several people impersonating the same fake character for their own purpose, misleading the authorities (here, the Temporal agencies) on purpose or not.

    Or maybe he is a constant in all timelines: there is ALWAYS a Future Guy in every single possible timeline, but his identity is different in every one of them, even when one timeline is altered. Maybe there is one timeline where it's Livingston.
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    The writers said that had Enterprise gone on longer, they fully intended for future guy to be Archer.

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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    Just to be clear OP, just because Noye was revealed as future guy in STO does not mean that he is the TV show ENT future guy in canon. In canon, we do not know who future guy is for sure and unless the story line is picked up in Discovery or some other show, we may never know.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    lazarus51166 wrote: »
    Yes he is supposed to be, despite the fact that the writers mentioned several years ago that it was supposed to be a future version of archer the whole time

    That is only from Brannon Braga's mind.

    It ain't canon, and if it were, it'd be the dumbest thing ever.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited February 2017
    artan42 wrote: »
    The showrunners of ENT have said at various times that Future Guy is Archer, a Romulan, or Daniels. Now all of those are non-canon but the Devs have used that sort of information for minor things in the game before. If we get ab identity for FG i suspect it'll be one of those three options.

    Daniels would be a bit too obvious, IMO... I've always thought it should be the Romulans.

    In fact, as I have said many times before, the TCW should have been a Romulan shadow game that led to open war.

    Alas, we were all saved from Braga's Archer fever dream.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    mhall85 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    The showrunners of ENT have said at various times that Future Guy is Archer, a Romulan, or Daniels. Now all of those are non-canon but the Devs have used that sort of information for minor things in the game before. If we get ab identity for FG i suspect it'll be one of those three options.

    Daniels would be a bit too obvious, IMO... I've always thought it should be the Romulans.

    In fact, as I have said many times before, the TCW should have been a Romulan shadow game that led to open war.

    Alas, we were all saved from Braga's Archer fever dream.

    I didn't watch ENT until after 09 so to me the TCW always made most sense as Romulans after the destruction of Romulus manipulating history to create a different future, on where they didn't lose their home. Hence the use of races like the Suliban and Na'kuhl who'd also lost their homes.
    It also figures they'd want to destroy the Federation as after the Dominion War they were the only two superpowers left and the destruction of Romulus changed that and essentially wiped them out as a superpower.
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    I'm still trying to figure out the point of the Envoy disguise - it seems to be obfuscation specifically aimed at Daniels' allies, but as if Noye somehow knows what damage Daniels will end up with during the timeline changes to the Battle of Procyon V.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    Noye, or as i like to call him AnNoyeing

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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    artan42 wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    The showrunners of ENT have said at various times that Future Guy is Archer, a Romulan, or Daniels. Now all of those are non-canon but the Devs have used that sort of information for minor things in the game before. If we get ab identity for FG i suspect it'll be one of those three options.

    Daniels would be a bit too obvious, IMO... I've always thought it should be the Romulans.

    In fact, as I have said many times before, the TCW should have been a Romulan shadow game that led to open war.

    Alas, we were all saved from Braga's Archer fever dream.

    I didn't watch ENT until after 09 so to me the TCW always made most sense as Romulans after the destruction of Romulus manipulating history to create a different future, on where they didn't lose their home. Hence the use of races like the Suliban and Na'kuhl who'd also lost their homes.
    It also figures they'd want to destroy the Federation as after the Dominion War they were the only two superpowers left and the destruction of Romulus changed that and essentially wiped them out as a superpower.

    I like that, LOL.

    It makes sense, because Romulan treachery and sneakiness.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    According to the Novel Universe, Future Guy is someone from the 28th Century that is part Suliban, part Romulan, and part Tandaran. If Noye is Future Guy, then it would only be in relation to STO and not any other Star Trek. STO belongs in its own separate universe so what happens in the STO Universe stays in the STO Universe. The STO Universe might have its own Mirror Universe and Kelvin Universe that are separate from the Mirror Universe and Kelvin Universe in the TV series and films.
  • binebanebinebane Member Posts: 557 Arc User
    lazarus51166 wrote: »
    Yes he is supposed to be, despite the fact that the writers mentioned several years ago that it was supposed to be a future version of archer the whole time
    why archer? that is stupid plot...

  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    binebane wrote: »
    lazarus51166 wrote: »
    Yes he is supposed to be, despite the fact that the writers mentioned several years ago that it was supposed to be a future version of archer the whole time
    why archer? that is stupid plot...

    Or a Romulan, or Daniels.

    B&B flip-flopped a bit on Future Guy. If series 5 had ever got made he could have turned out to be anyone. He could have been T'Pol for all the sense those two hacks made.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,667 Community Moderator
    Personally I do NOT see Noye as Future Guy due to several factors:
    • Future Guy actually helped Archer at one point, which in turn helped Starfleet and eventually the Federation
    • Noye never made contact with the Suliban
    • Noye absolutely HATES the Federation, thus would not have any reason to help Archer
    • Future Guy mentioned another faction in the Temporal Cold War. Noye could have been part of that other faction

    While there were several nods to Future Guy, Nothing in Noye's history lines up with what we know of Future Guy. So I am inclined to believe that there was more than just two factions involved in the Temporal Cold War. The major players just happened to be Fed and TLF.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,007 Community Moderator
    I don't buy Noye as Future Guy either. Noye's actions and motivations don't line up with those of Future Guy from ENT. Also, I believe in ENT, it was explained that Future Guy was from a faction in the TCW that could only project themselves through time but couldn't physically travel through time. Obviously, Noye can actually time travel.

    To be honest, I was disappointed that the Envoy turned out to be Noye. I was hoping for someone else.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    can't physically travel through time...that rings a bell

    well, that explains it - future guy is an iconian​​
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    Future Guy is really Peter Griffin, the Family Guy. :)

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  • observatorrobservatorr Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    According to the Novel Universe, Future Guy is someone from the 28th Century that is part Suliban, part Romulan, and part Tandaran. If Noye is Future Guy, then it would only be in relation to STO and not any other Star Trek. STO belongs in its own separate universe so what happens in the STO Universe stays in the STO Universe. The STO Universe might have its own Mirror Universe and Kelvin Universe that are separate from the Mirror Universe and Kelvin Universe in the TV series and films.

    Yes, the novel Watching the Clock revealed that Future Guy's real name is Jamran Harnoth. He is a member of a pro-eugenics faction called the Order of Omega. Part of his motivation was to ensure his own existence since he is a descendant of both the Suliban Cabal and a faction of Romulan augments.
  • observatorrobservatorr Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    I remember a couple of years ago when the Elachi first appeared in the game, people were saying that they were the same species as the aliens from Schisms because they abducted people in a similar way. Then one of the Cryptic writers said that was not the case and the Schisms aliens later appeared as a different species under the name Solanae. Maybe the same thing will happen with Future Guy.
  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    observatorr wrote: »
    I remember a couple of years ago when the Elachi first appeared in the game, people were saying that they were the same species as the aliens from Schisms because they abducted people in a similar way. Then one of the Cryptic writers said that was not the case and the Schisms aliens later appeared as a different species under the name Solanae. Maybe the same thing will happen with Future Guy.

    actually the Elachi were already known to be the aliens from the ENT episode 'Silent Enemy'
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    observatorr wrote: »
    I remember a couple of years ago when the Elachi first appeared in the game, people were saying that they were the same species as the aliens from Schisms because they abducted people in a similar way. Then one of the Cryptic writers said that was not the case and the Schisms aliens later appeared as a different species under the name Solanae. Maybe the same thing will happen with Future Guy.

    I don't ever recall anyone mentioning that the Elachi were the aliens from Schisms. The Elachi are the aliens from Silent Enemy.

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  • observatorrobservatorr Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    Lots of people thought they were the same.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/1f641t/about_the_elachi_im_confused_spoilers/

    http://www.sinisterswarm.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24212&s=208827bab14554d8693ebe1246382537

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Talk:Elachi

    Eventually, tacofangs said they weren't.

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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    observatorr wrote: »
    Noy :o e and Future Guy both use the same temporal communication technology, but there has been no mention of Noye having any connection to the Suliban Cabal. Furthermore, Future Guy told Archer that the Xindi worked for a different faction in the Temporal Cold War (the Sphere Builders). But in Star Trek Online, Noye is allied with the Sphere Builders.

    Have any of the Cryptic writers ever said whether or not they are meant to be the same?
    The idea it was Archer was an off comment from Brannon Brage - who was probably just TRIBBLE with the fans as when he was head of the writing room, I'm sure he had no idea who/what 'Future Guy' was other than a ridiculous plot device actually requested by the Network (UPN) at the time. Hell, there's just as much evidence to support 'Future Guy' being Picard.
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