I never quite understood the American obsession with memorials. As if people couldn't possibly remember a person unless they see a memorial of him or her somehwere. Anybody who's somewhat interested in Scifi will remember her as a giant of the genre, with or without a memorial dedicated to her.
Having travelled the world, I can't think of any place I've been where there hasn't been some sort of memorial to somebody deemd important to that culture. Besides, what is a headstone on a grave other than a type of memorial? The seeming implication that it's [strictly] an American obsession is not only unjustified, it can also be considered somewhat bigoted.
So now people are in support of disenfranchising players in the game who role play by building memorals to anyone that has touched scifi? STO is for Star trek, not a complete universe for all of scifi.
It does not matter how great your intentions are, there is a line on who is honored in game and who is not. We as players can argue on which line we are on, but in the end we do not define the line.
heres where im getting at take jules verne who is called the father of science fiction, without him there wouldnt be a star trek, or HG wells who made us look up and wonder , asimov who really defined what life with robots and as a robot would be like ( as mentioned asimov has been quoted a few times in TNG ).
Why can we not honor such pioneers in sci fi, all i read is "its not trek , its not trek , its not trek" wash rinse repeat, the fact is without jules verne there is no star trek , he was the one who started it all he took science fact and wrote fictious works based on it, and made the world dream of a more advanced tomorrow.
We do happen to have a Wells class starship, which I can only assume is a reference to H.G. Wells. There have also been various starships and shuttlecraft in the various shows which were named after similar authors, scientists, and even a couple of astronauts. From that perspective, there is precident in canon to slipping something in to somehow honor similar people. Whether or not Carrie Fisher deserves the same honor is up to the powers that be.
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Jules Vern and HG Wells are different. Also... they existed in the Star Trek universe as Earth existed exactly like ours up to a point. As I said earlier, a Princess Leia memorial on ESD, or anywhere, would make no sense as the events of Star Wars took place outside OUR Milky Way Galaxy, and potentially in ANOTHER UNIVERSE, if we were to go by in universe explanations. In no way did Princess Leia have any impact on the United Federation of Planets, either as a representative of the Imperial Senate, Rebel Alliance leader, or even Resistance leader.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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You can honor Jules Verne and HG Wells by visiting their wiki pages or have discussions with friends about them, they still have no place inside the game. On your logic, we should also honor those who provided the ability to play the game, so the father of the internet, person who made the first video game, etc, etc.
Where would SciFi be without Gutenberg's invention of moveable type? Or Ghaa "Ugga" Grok's detection of making fire?
A list like this would be incredibly long, even without cidjack's and my elongations. There is probably no consent of who should be called "influential" on Sci Fi and who shouldn't. So should we put up each for a vote? Or is one player suggesting Stanislav Lem enough to include him? Philipp K. TRIBBLE?
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Father of the Internet? No way we're putting up an Al Gore memorial.
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The real reason people want a Carrie Fisher memorial in this game is so they can feel better about themselves. It's never been about honoring Carrie Fisher. It has always been about them. "Look! He/She Made Cryptic put in a Carrie Fisher Memorial! He's/She's a Superior Human Being! We should fall at his/her feet and worship him/her. Because He/She is so much more special and better than we are."
Arguing for a memorial in a video game is stupid. If you really wanted honor her memory, how about giving some time or cash to one of the many charities or good works she was connected with? Oh waitaminnit. Nevermind. Because doing something like that would take effort on your part. And you're far too busy playing STO and far too important to waste your valuable time doing something for another person. It is a much more productive use of your time encouraging other people to do something which makes you feel better about yourself, isn't it?
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The real reason people want a Carrie Fisher memorial in this game is so they can feel better about themselves.
you have no idea what other people are thinking. but if you want to play that game, i'll do the same thing to you:
you aren't posting in this thread for any productive reason, just so you can feel better about yourself. see how that works?
And you're far too busy playing STO and far too important to waste your valuable time doing something for another person. It is a much more productive use of your time encouraging other people to do something which makes you feel better about yourself, isn't it?
so you are spending your 'valuable time' posting in this thread from a self righteous holier than though perspective. does that make you feel better about yourself?
The real reason people want a Carrie Fisher memorial in this game is so they can feel better about themselves. It's never been about honoring Carrie Fisher. It has always been about them. "Look! He/She Made Cryptic put in a Carrie Fisher Memorial! He's/She's a Superior Human Being! We should fall at his/her feet and worship him/her. Because He/She is so much more special and better than we are."
Whilst its harsh to imply that this is the case for everyone calling for some kind of memorial, I do think that it fairly and accurately describes *some* players' behaviour. Which is sad.
This is not the first time that some players have tried to use the death of a popular sci-fi actor as a chance to engage in acts of public posturing. You see it whenever an actor or behind the scenes person with even the slightest connection to Trek passes away - Cryptic are well informed about Trek-related events, and will no doubt get round to adding them during the next patch cycle. But inevitably a thread will appear loudly demanding an explanation as to why Cryptic has not yet added them to the ingame memorials, often decrying the injustice of Cryptic not having done it within hours of their death. Sometimes its even done for people with no/a very tenuous connection to Trek.
As you state, its sadly rarely about the person who died, and is more often about the person posting - a chance for them to publically posture in an attempt to gain some kind of kudos/status with the community. They probably don't even have the awareness to realise they are doing it.
This can extend to ingame too. We all remember the touching series of memorials which took place on Vulcan around Nimoy's passing - but sadly some folks started trying to take control of proceedings and dictate to others how they should mark his passing. And when Anton Yelchin was killed - one person who tried to organise an ingame public memorial event. This seemed fair enough at the start - but soon started trying to make it all about themselves instead. Luckily another group of players jumped in and quickly organised a more Anton focused gathering.
In game memorials for every dead celebrity ever! Great idea!
/sarcasm <-- because some people won't get it
This sums up nicely why it would be a terrible idea.
haha no! every celebrity would be too much!
they should only add memorials for main characters from franchises they have already dedicated dev time to add things from in game.
they already used dev time to do star wars jokes about yoda and lightsabers, so it is only fitting they use a tiny amount of dev time to recognize one of the most important charaters in that franchise too!
thanks all!
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No if you want Star Wars Memorials and all then go play Star Wars and petition to the Devs of those games. THIS IS STAR TREK PERIOD! No diss to Carrie Fisher BUT SHE NEVER WAS IN ANY STAR TREK FILM OR SHOW EVER! The Memorial here is for people who were part of Star Trek and it needs to remain that way. So what if there are some jokes about Star wars (I have yet to see one here by the way) they have nothing really to do with Trek and yeah JJ Abrams stuck an R2 in the debris in his frst film but hey lets be blunt his two efforts were audtions to take the helm of Star Wars a franchise that really deserves him. So OP keep you all of your Star Wars stuff out of Trek.
I'm sorry, but this thread has gone long enough - both for the devs to consider the idea, as well as to derail to truly sad heights.
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We do happen to have a Wells class starship, which I can only assume is a reference to H.G. Wells. There have also been various starships and shuttlecraft in the various shows which were named after similar authors, scientists, and even a couple of astronauts. From that perspective, there is precident in canon to slipping something in to somehow honor similar people. Whether or not Carrie Fisher deserves the same honor is up to the powers that be.
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Where would SciFi be without Gutenberg's invention of moveable type? Or Ghaa "Ugga" Grok's detection of making fire?
A list like this would be incredibly long, even without cidjack's and my elongations. There is probably no consent of who should be called "influential" on Sci Fi and who shouldn't. So should we put up each for a vote? Or is one player suggesting Stanislav Lem enough to include him? Philipp K. TRIBBLE?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And your next request for past tense teletubbies is equally refused and to be mocked.
Arguing for a memorial in a video game is stupid. If you really wanted honor her memory, how about giving some time or cash to one of the many charities or good works she was connected with? Oh waitaminnit. Nevermind. Because doing something like that would take effort on your part. And you're far too busy playing STO and far too important to waste your valuable time doing something for another person. It is a much more productive use of your time encouraging other people to do something which makes you feel better about yourself, isn't it?
you have no idea what other people are thinking. but if you want to play that game, i'll do the same thing to you:
you aren't posting in this thread for any productive reason, just so you can feel better about yourself. see how that works?
so you are spending your 'valuable time' posting in this thread from a self righteous holier than though perspective. does that make you feel better about yourself?
maybe because your idea of great is not necessarily that of others? I'm firmly in the keep it trek camp
This is not the first time that some players have tried to use the death of a popular sci-fi actor as a chance to engage in acts of public posturing. You see it whenever an actor or behind the scenes person with even the slightest connection to Trek passes away - Cryptic are well informed about Trek-related events, and will no doubt get round to adding them during the next patch cycle. But inevitably a thread will appear loudly demanding an explanation as to why Cryptic has not yet added them to the ingame memorials, often decrying the injustice of Cryptic not having done it within hours of their death. Sometimes its even done for people with no/a very tenuous connection to Trek.
As you state, its sadly rarely about the person who died, and is more often about the person posting - a chance for them to publically posture in an attempt to gain some kind of kudos/status with the community. They probably don't even have the awareness to realise they are doing it.
This can extend to ingame too. We all remember the touching series of memorials which took place on Vulcan around Nimoy's passing - but sadly some folks started trying to take control of proceedings and dictate to others how they should mark his passing. And when Anton Yelchin was killed - one person who tried to organise an ingame public memorial event. This seemed fair enough at the start - but soon started trying to make it all about themselves instead. Luckily another group of players jumped in and quickly organised a more Anton focused gathering.
This community makes me sad sometimes.
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