By any chance, did the SWTOR devs put up any sort of memorial for Leonard Nimoy when he died? TBH, I'm asking partly because I don't play that game so am curious. The other reason I ask is because the answer may relate to the debate on whether or not someone like Carrie Fisher should be memorialized somehow in STO.
nope, and they haven't even acknowledged Carrie Fisher's death on their site news, forum, dev tracker, community blog, or twittard
the last bit is making fans ín SWTOR - and on the forums and reddit -mad as hell , I might add .Mainly because they díd have time to update facebook with "commercial " stuff at exactly the time word of Fischer's death came out . Back on topic: I see no reason why naming an NPC in ESD - or elsewhere - after her would be in some way construed as offensive . WOW - the grand old daddy of all MMO's - had huge amounts of NPC's named after persons the devs admired .That isn't a physical memorial ,like the statue of Nimoy , which -I think we can all agree - wouldn't be appropriate at all ( that memorial is for Star Trek, not any other movie or series )
I can see why the SWTOR fans are unhappy especially considering that the STO guys were kind enough to pay homage to her through the various social media.
I'll admit there's a part of me that wouldn't mind a little something to honor Carrie Fisher in game; however, I agree with the majority here that it's probably not the best idea. One thought is that the helmet the Breen wear is suspiciously similar to the one Leia wore in "Return of the Jedi" so how about if everyone [who has one] names their ship from the Winter Event after her and flies it around for a few days or a week?
I now believe now that the OP is a returning player, the way she talks and his use of her symbols on the subject lines for the threads points to one person........Xtern1ty is back!!!
she is no longer with us and that is sad. there's nothing more to say about it.
if you are latino, then unlike the rest you would celebrate the life they lived and not dwell upon the loss.
I'd say Isaac Asimov has been far more influential in terms of science fiction. Also being a friend of Roddenberry and general ST fan, his memorial would be much more fitting into STO.
Having said that, neither Asimov nor Fisher have had direct link to Star Trek, thus I oppose the idea of adding their memorials. Hell, if one day we add Fisher, why not next day her mother, after that Alan Rickman (because he played in Harry Potter movies they resemble Star Trek, since both are fiction), and finally, a glorious memorial in STO to Trekkie Ronald Reagan.
I don't recall seeing an in game memorial for Gene Wilder, George Michael or many of the other famous people who died this year so why Carrie Fisher? she has no connection to star trek.
this business of in game memorial's is all very well but extending it to non star trek actors or celebrities is going over the top.
by all means comment in the general discussion to pay your respects for any celebrities who pass on but if they are unrelated to star trek that is as far as it should go.
The point i was trying to make was in the sci fi genre and only those actors/actress' and people who had a profound and influential impact in ALL manners of sci fi, even star trek.
the star trek in game memorial is not for actors of the sci fi genre regardless of how profound and influential the impact they had or any other tom TRIBBLE or harry whom someone thinks it might be fitting to add.
the star trek in game memorial is for star trek actors, writers and such alone.
there is a star wars on line game let them add tributes for star wars actors and such and leave it at that, I am sure they would not ever consider adding tributes to star trek actors to their game.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I think it's pretty clear that the OP is solely concerned with posting inflammatory threads designed to cause disagreements, arguing and troll/flaming fights. And the usual suspects come out to support his/her ridiculous ideas and points of view. You'd almost think it was all planned...... Obviously has nothing better to do in their free time.
We don't need a memorial to any non-Trek people. That would be ridiculous, they have no link to this game at all. You wouldn't go and ask to have the names of sports stars or musicians put on a war memorial, they've got nohing to do with it. This suggestion is just as ridiculous.
Rickman should be on the memorial actually. He was after all the parody of both Spock & Nimoy in Galaxy Quest, a Paramount film that many Trek fans count as a Trek film.
i would almost be tempted to agree with you, "almost".
in reality I would have to say no, although some might look at Galaxy Quest as a blatant parody of star trek in the end it is not titled "star trek" and given my previous statement I would have to be true to my convictions and say no.
now if you were to include fan made offerings of star trek like star trek phase two & star trek continues that would be a different matter, although not official star trek productions they are called star trek and present stories based in the star trek universe and often portray characters from different star trek series and even sometimes have actual official star trek actors in them but even then it would be pushing the limits in a way and I would have a hard time choosing whether to agree or disagree and would probably copout by saying let cryptic decide on that matter.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I never quite understood the American obsession with memorials. As if people couldn't possibly remember a person unless they see a memorial of him or her somehwere. Anybody who's somewhat interested in Scifi will remember her as a giant of the genre, with or without a memorial dedicated to her.
I never quite understood the American obsession with memorials. As if people couldn't possibly remember a person unless they see a memorial of him or her somehwere. Anybody who's somewhat interested in Scifi will remember her as a giant of the genre, with or without a memorial dedicated to her.
I agree, I have never felt the need to visit the star trek memorial and I have no problem remembering any of the star trek actors whether they be alive or not.
having said that as cryptic has chosen to put the memorial in the game that's fine but I think its use should be limited to star trek and not extended to any other sci-fi productions.
I am also a fan of star wars and many other sci-fi productions but being a fan does not alter the idea that a star trek memorial should not be opened to paying homage to non star trek actors.
at the end of the day it is cryptics choice and they can do as they please but it wont alter my view.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
By any chance, did the SWTOR devs put up any sort of memorial for Leonard Nimoy when he died? TBH, I'm asking partly because I don't play that game so am curious. The other reason I ask is because the answer may relate to the debate on whether or not someone like Carrie Fisher should be memorialized somehow in STO.
Agreed. It is up to the SWTOR Devs / community if they wish to erect a memorial in-game.
The STO memorials should honour people directly connected to STO only.
I'd say Isaac Asimov has been far more influential in terms of science fiction. Also being a friend of Roddenberry and general ST fan, his memorial would be much more fitting into STO.
Having said that, neither Asimov nor Fisher have had direct link to Star Trek, thus I oppose the idea of adding their memorials. Hell, if one day we add Fisher, why not next day her mother, after that Alan Rickman (because he played in Harry Potter movies they resemble Star Trek, since both are fiction), and finally, a glorious memorial in STO to Trekkie Ronald Reagan.
Trying to usurp dev choices seems to be self-defeating. So what if those who make this game tack on an easter egg every now and then? That is their choice. However suggesting that they act on fan entitlement is another matter!
Trying to usurp dev choices seems to be self-defeating. So what if those who make this game tack on an easter egg every now and then? That is their choice. However suggesting that they act on fan entitlement is another matter!
good call in principle but I will remind you that the memorial itself was a result of a thread just like this one and many of the names added have been through posters suggestions.
personally I think the whole thing is totally unnecessary as I pay my respects and honour them all living or dead by continuing to watch star trek episodes and movies for the umpteenth time and I am sure if you could ask them they would be much happier to know that fans were doing that then to know their name is on a memorial in some computer game that only players will see but there you go.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I think it's pretty clear that the OP is solely concerned with posting inflammatory threads designed to cause disagreements, arguing and troll/flaming fights.
And the usual suspects come out to support his/her ridiculous ideas and points of view. You'd almost think it was all planned......
Obviously has nothing better to do in their free time.
We don't need a memorial to any non-Trek people. That would be ridiculous, they have no link to this game at all. You wouldn't go and ask to have the names of sports stars or musicians put on a war memorial, they've got nohing to do with it. This suggestion is just as ridiculous.
While I agree with what you said, I disagree with your analogy. It'd be more like asking the Cleveland Indians to build a memorial to Babe Ruth. Both teams play the same sport, and he was a giant in the league, but he never played for the Indians so it's not Cleveland's place to build a memorial, that would be up to the Yankees, Red Sox, and Orioles to do.
I love Star Wars just as much as I love Star Trek, and I think Carrie Fisher was not just a great part of Sci-Fi history, but also seemed to be a genuinely kind human being who did a lot to shine some light on the struggle that those with mental illness face.
But if the developers haven't done anything to commemorate the passing of John Glenn, then there's no place in this game for commemorating the death of people outside of the franchise.
Memorials ought to really be a community responsibility to be held, because that is how such memorials really gain meaning, through people coming together in memory! The onus is really on us, not the devs (Who have a protocol for good reason, because a list can get hard to manage without some limits) to carry out such! The memorial celebrating Antons life hosted by Dental was a true example of such!
How did she impact all of science fiction? I don't mean to lesson Carrie's importance to the genera, but this is star trek. She had little to no impact on a series that was created before star wars was even released.
I think you missed the point i was making.
We should have a memorial to honor those icons of science fiction who had a strong influence on science fiction as a whole,
Like Authors, writters , directors , who had a strong influence on ALL manners of sci fi not just one universe.
People who influenced all manner of sci fi from star wars to star trek to Dr who , SG etc etc, men and women who had a strong impact on sci fi as a whole.
People like as i mentioned issac assimov who had a influence in TNG because of data, and was mentioned a few times in TNG, and his influence is felt in every movie that has androids, cyborgs and means of automatons.
Or authors like douglas adams show that sci fi didnt have to be srious , that it could be witty and fun, for those who dont douglas adams wrote the "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy".
People like ray bradbury, frank herbert, arthur C clarke, jules verne, HG wells, these are people who truely had a impact on science fiction even star trek.
And adding a memorial for those we lost would be a classy thing, it would also ng awreness to them , there are young people who ive met who dont know who assimov is or even HG wells, and ive met those young folks in this game so why cant we trek fans tip our hats to those people who infleunced so much of the sci fi genre.
So now people are in support of disenfranchising players in the game who role play by building memorals to anyone that has touched scifi? STO is for Star trek, not a complete universe for all of scifi.
It does not matter how great your intentions are, there is a line on who is honored in game and who is not. We as players can argue on which line we are on, but in the end we do not define the line.
So now people are in support of disenfranchising players in the game who role play by building memorals to anyone that has touched scifi? STO is for Star trek, not a complete universe for all of scifi.
It does not matter how great your intentions are, there is a line on who is honored in game and who is not. We as players can argue on which line we are on, but in the end we do not define the line.
heres where im getting at take jules verne who is called the father of science fiction, without him there wouldnt be a star trek, or HG wells who made us look up and wonder , asimov who really defined what life with robots and as a robot would be like ( as mentioned asimov has been quoted a few times in TNG ).
Why can we not honor such pioneers in sci fi, all i read is "its not trek , its not trek , its not trek" wash rinse repeat, the fact is without jules verne there is no star trek , he was the one who started it all he took science fact and wrote fictious works based on it, and made the world dream of a more advanced tomorrow.
How did she impact all of science fiction? I don't mean to lesson Carrie's importance to the genera, but this is star trek. She had little to no impact on a series that was created before star wars was even released.
I think you missed the point i was making.
We should have a memorial to honor those icons of science fiction who had a strong influence on science fiction as a whole,
Like Authors, writters , directors , who had a strong influence on ALL manners of sci fi not just one universe.
People who influenced all manner of sci fi from star wars to star trek to Dr who , SG etc etc, men and women who had a strong impact on sci fi as a whole.
People like as i mentioned issac assimov who had a influence in TNG because of data, and was mentioned a few times in TNG, and his influence is felt in every movie that has androids, cyborgs and means of automatons.
Or authors like douglas adams show that sci fi didnt have to be srious , that it could be witty and fun, for those who dont douglas adams wrote the "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy".
People like ray bradbury, frank herbert, arthur C clarke, jules verne, HG wells, these are people who truely had a impact on science fiction even star trek.
And adding a memorial for those we lost would be a classy thing, it would also ng awreness to them , there are young people who ive met who dont know who assimov is or even HG wells, and ive met those young folks in this game so why cant we trek fans tip our hats to those people who infleunced so much of the sci fi genre.
at the end of the day its completely up to cryptic what they put in the game, it is after all their game.
I am not bothered one way or the other if they add every person who has had a hand in sci fi to the list regardless of how big or small that hand is or to anyone else who they think is deserving of a mention.
I will opt not to intentionally visit the memorial with the express purpose of seeing those names as I feel it is completely unnecessary for me to remember or honour them in that way, IMO we honour them every day when we read their books watch their movies or just plain imagine a world where the ideas they inspire us with are to us a reality, there is no greater honour we can give a sci fi writer or actor then to make the things they portray a reality in our world, let us hope that the greatest of all these ideas come to pass and one day we will live in a world where war, hunger, disease and suffering are a thing of the past and we can learn to survive in a way that doesn't have a negative impact on the planet we live on or the other creatures upon it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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I'm pretty sure there's something in WOW to acknowledge Leonard Nimoy as well. Because at the end of the day we're all nerds, and some figures transcend any one franchise and have had a profound impact on millions of lives both within and outside of fandom. Leonard Nimoy is one of those great inspiring figures, and Carrie Fisher is another.
Adding her to the official memorial might be a bit too much, but a shout-out sort of easter egg thing like Elite is doing is not too much to ask. Not demand, not rant about, but ask? Yes I think we have the right to ask.
Well... ED doesn't have any outside of game Lore like Star Trek or Star Wars, so them doing something isn't a problem. WoW doing it too... not really a problem.
But when it comes to games like STO and TOR, let the appropriate parties memorialize actors who contributed to their respective franchises. Fact is, Carrie Fisher was never in anything Star Trek. It would make NO sense to honor someone from Alderaan on ESD, just like putting a Spock memorial on Coruscant wouldn't make sense.
So now people are in support of disenfranchising players in the game who role play by building memorals to anyone that has touched scifi? STO is for Star trek, not a complete universe for all of scifi.
It does not matter how great your intentions are, there is a line on who is honored in game and who is not. We as players can argue on which line we are on, but in the end we do not define the line.
heres where im getting at take jules verne who is called the father of science fiction, without him there wouldnt be a star trek, or HG wells who made us look up and wonder , asimov who really defined what life with robots and as a robot would be like ( as mentioned asimov has been quoted a few times in TNG ).
Why can we not honor such pioneers in sci fi, all i read is "its not trek , its not trek , its not trek" wash rinse repeat, the fact is without jules verne there is no star trek , he was the one who started it all he took science fact and wrote fictious works based on it, and made the world dream of a more advanced tomorrow.
You can honor Jules Verne and HG Wells by visiting their wiki pages or have discussions with friends about them, they still have no place inside the game. On your logic, we should also honor those who provided the ability to play the game, so the father of the internet, person who made the first video game, etc, etc. Jules Verne and HG Wells might have opened the door to the SciFi, but they did not craft or mold Star Trek to what it has become. Even then, there are a number of people that have directly affected Star Trek and they are not honored in the game, you are not standing up for them.
We can keep discussing this, but what we think does not matter, in the end it is up to Cryptic.
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I can see why the SWTOR fans are unhappy especially considering that the STO guys were kind enough to pay homage to her through the various social media.
I'll admit there's a part of me that wouldn't mind a little something to honor Carrie Fisher in game; however, I agree with the majority here that it's probably not the best idea. One thought is that the helmet the Breen wear is suspiciously similar to the one Leia wore in "Return of the Jedi" so how about if everyone [who has one] names their ship from the Winter Event after her and flies it around for a few days or a week?
I now believe now that the OP is a returning player, the way she talks and his use of her symbols on the subject lines for the threads points to one person........Xtern1ty is back!!!
if you are latino, then unlike the rest you would celebrate the life they lived and not dwell upon the loss.
Having said that, neither Asimov nor Fisher have had direct link to Star Trek, thus I oppose the idea of adding their memorials. Hell, if one day we add Fisher, why not next day her mother, after that Alan Rickman (because he played in Harry Potter movies they resemble Star Trek, since both are fiction), and finally, a glorious memorial in STO to Trekkie Ronald Reagan.
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the star trek in game memorial is not for actors of the sci fi genre regardless of how profound and influential the impact they had or any other tom TRIBBLE or harry whom someone thinks it might be fitting to add.
the star trek in game memorial is for star trek actors, writers and such alone.
there is a star wars on line game let them add tributes for star wars actors and such and leave it at that, I am sure they would not ever consider adding tributes to star trek actors to their game.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
or just likes posting the same thing over over.
And the usual suspects come out to support his/her ridiculous ideas and points of view. You'd almost think it was all planned......
Obviously has nothing better to do in their free time.
We don't need a memorial to any non-Trek people. That would be ridiculous, they have no link to this game at all. You wouldn't go and ask to have the names of sports stars or musicians put on a war memorial, they've got nohing to do with it. This suggestion is just as ridiculous.
i would almost be tempted to agree with you, "almost".
in reality I would have to say no, although some might look at Galaxy Quest as a blatant parody of star trek in the end it is not titled "star trek" and given my previous statement I would have to be true to my convictions and say no.
now if you were to include fan made offerings of star trek like star trek phase two & star trek continues that would be a different matter, although not official star trek productions they are called star trek and present stories based in the star trek universe and often portray characters from different star trek series and even sometimes have actual official star trek actors in them but even then it would be pushing the limits in a way and I would have a hard time choosing whether to agree or disagree and would probably copout by saying let cryptic decide on that matter.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I agree, I have never felt the need to visit the star trek memorial and I have no problem remembering any of the star trek actors whether they be alive or not.
having said that as cryptic has chosen to put the memorial in the game that's fine but I think its use should be limited to star trek and not extended to any other sci-fi productions.
I am also a fan of star wars and many other sci-fi productions but being a fan does not alter the idea that a star trek memorial should not be opened to paying homage to non star trek actors.
at the end of the day it is cryptics choice and they can do as they please but it wont alter my view.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Agreed. It is up to the SWTOR Devs / community if they wish to erect a memorial in-game.
The STO memorials should honour people directly connected to STO only.
let it be.
good call in principle but I will remind you that the memorial itself was a result of a thread just like this one and many of the names added have been through posters suggestions.
personally I think the whole thing is totally unnecessary as I pay my respects and honour them all living or dead by continuing to watch star trek episodes and movies for the umpteenth time and I am sure if you could ask them they would be much happier to know that fans were doing that then to know their name is on a memorial in some computer game that only players will see but there you go.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
No.
While I agree with what you said, I disagree with your analogy. It'd be more like asking the Cleveland Indians to build a memorial to Babe Ruth. Both teams play the same sport, and he was a giant in the league, but he never played for the Indians so it's not Cleveland's place to build a memorial, that would be up to the Yankees, Red Sox, and Orioles to do.
But if the developers haven't done anything to commemorate the passing of John Glenn, then there's no place in this game for commemorating the death of people outside of the franchise.
I think you missed the point i was making.
We should have a memorial to honor those icons of science fiction who had a strong influence on science fiction as a whole,
Like Authors, writters , directors , who had a strong influence on ALL manners of sci fi not just one universe.
People who influenced all manner of sci fi from star wars to star trek to Dr who , SG etc etc, men and women who had a strong impact on sci fi as a whole.
People like as i mentioned issac assimov who had a influence in TNG because of data, and was mentioned a few times in TNG, and his influence is felt in every movie that has androids, cyborgs and means of automatons.
Or authors like douglas adams show that sci fi didnt have to be srious , that it could be witty and fun, for those who dont douglas adams wrote the "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy".
People like ray bradbury, frank herbert, arthur C clarke, jules verne, HG wells, these are people who truely had a impact on science fiction even star trek.
And adding a memorial for those we lost would be a classy thing, it would also ng awreness to them , there are young people who ive met who dont know who assimov is or even HG wells, and ive met those young folks in this game so why cant we trek fans tip our hats to those people who infleunced so much of the sci fi genre.
It does not matter how great your intentions are, there is a line on who is honored in game and who is not. We as players can argue on which line we are on, but in the end we do not define the line.
heres where im getting at take jules verne who is called the father of science fiction, without him there wouldnt be a star trek, or HG wells who made us look up and wonder , asimov who really defined what life with robots and as a robot would be like ( as mentioned asimov has been quoted a few times in TNG ).
Why can we not honor such pioneers in sci fi, all i read is "its not trek , its not trek , its not trek" wash rinse repeat, the fact is without jules verne there is no star trek , he was the one who started it all he took science fact and wrote fictious works based on it, and made the world dream of a more advanced tomorrow.
at the end of the day its completely up to cryptic what they put in the game, it is after all their game.
I am not bothered one way or the other if they add every person who has had a hand in sci fi to the list regardless of how big or small that hand is or to anyone else who they think is deserving of a mention.
I will opt not to intentionally visit the memorial with the express purpose of seeing those names as I feel it is completely unnecessary for me to remember or honour them in that way, IMO we honour them every day when we read their books watch their movies or just plain imagine a world where the ideas they inspire us with are to us a reality, there is no greater honour we can give a sci fi writer or actor then to make the things they portray a reality in our world, let us hope that the greatest of all these ideas come to pass and one day we will live in a world where war, hunger, disease and suffering are a thing of the past and we can learn to survive in a way that doesn't have a negative impact on the planet we live on or the other creatures upon it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Well... ED doesn't have any outside of game Lore like Star Trek or Star Wars, so them doing something isn't a problem. WoW doing it too... not really a problem.
But when it comes to games like STO and TOR, let the appropriate parties memorialize actors who contributed to their respective franchises. Fact is, Carrie Fisher was never in anything Star Trek. It would make NO sense to honor someone from Alderaan on ESD, just like putting a Spock memorial on Coruscant wouldn't make sense.
You can honor Jules Verne and HG Wells by visiting their wiki pages or have discussions with friends about them, they still have no place inside the game. On your logic, we should also honor those who provided the ability to play the game, so the father of the internet, person who made the first video game, etc, etc. Jules Verne and HG Wells might have opened the door to the SciFi, but they did not craft or mold Star Trek to what it has become. Even then, there are a number of people that have directly affected Star Trek and they are not honored in the game, you are not standing up for them.
We can keep discussing this, but what we think does not matter, in the end it is up to Cryptic.