Just wanted to respond to this specifically, there are a large number of fans, myself included, who really enjoy it when the Force is left out of Star Wars and the stories instead focus on more relatable characters who lack Jedi abilities. Don't get me wrong, Jedi are awesome, but the old X-Wing book series, and games like X-Wing Alliance and pre-NGE Star Wars Galaxies, proved that you can have a great Star Wars experience without them.
Yes. The amount of Force in the movie was preferable to my taste. I would have accepted a bit more, but I really could do without the backflipping super-awesome monster-death-murder-kill machines of the Prequels, or the Starship wrecking Jedi of the novels.
(And it's not like the Force seems weak in this movie.)
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Just wanted to respond to this specifically, there are a large number of fans, myself included, who really enjoy it when the Force is left out of Star Wars and the stories instead focus on more relatable characters who lack Jedi abilities. Don't get me wrong, Jedi are awesome, but the old X-Wing book series, and games like X-Wing Alliance and pre-NGE Star Wars Galaxies, proved that you can have a great Star Wars experience without them.
Absolutely.
The Jedi/Sith thing is all well and good but that universe has such a rich level of detail and storytelling that the non-force users often are far more interesting that all the lightsaber ninja jumping stuff.
The old X-wing books were brilliant because they showed the normal guys in the struggle. Rogue One is the same, you see the true nature of the struggle without some superhero Jedi to save the day.
Why did Vader look so corny ? There was something not right with the costume. Looked more like what someone would wear to a comic-con, rather then an official Darth Vader costume.
Anyone else notice that ? Or am I being too picky ?
I heard they matched his costume, on purpose, exactly with the one from A New Hope, including the flaws. His costume improved as the movies went on.
Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.
Why did Vader look so corny ? There was something not right with the costume. Looked more like what someone would wear to a comic-con, rather then an official Darth Vader costume.
Anyone else notice that ? Or am I being too picky ?
I heard they matched his costume, on purpose, exactly with the one from A New Hope, including the flaws. His costume improved as the movies went on.
Yeah that makes sense.
I must be thinking of RotJ Vader.
What I notice about the costume specifically;
The neck piece was floating around way above the collar (looked really weird to me), and the helmet looked slightly to big for the body on close ups.. But, I'm nitpicking here, its not a big issue. Just thought the costume has looked a lot tighter and better overall at different points in the OT.
Yeah that makes sense.
I must be thinking of RotJ Vader.
What I notice about the costume specifically;
The neck piece was floating around way above the collar (looked really weird to me), and the helmet looked slightly to big for the body on close ups.. But, I'm nitpicking here, its not a big issue. Just thought the costume has looked a lot tighter and better overall at different points in the OT.
But that's the beauty of it. They used authentic props and costumes. Not trying to make stuff more modern or more "hip", they actually did a great job using what was used back then and not make it look out of place today. I wish that would be the approach Star Trek would take as well. Not trying to "tech up" TOS and pre-TOS times but actually using the real stuff.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
yeah, except there's a massive difference between star trek and star wars...star trek is set in OUR potential future whereas star wars is set in no one's future, so everything there can look like whatever the hell the producers want it to look
but with star trek, technology that supposed to be several HUNDRED years ahead of our time looking positively primitive by comparison? sorry, that doesn't fly
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
yeah, except there's a massive difference between star trek and star wars...star trek is set in OUR potential future whereas star wars is set in no one's future, so everything there can look like whatever the hell the producers want it to look
but with star trek, technology that supposed to be several HUNDRED years ahead of our time looking positively primitive by comparison? sorry, that doesn't fly
That's a weird argument. We didn't have a WW3 or eugenics wars. Star Trek is set in it's own universe now, it makes no sense to "update" it.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Just wanted to respond to this specifically, there are a large number of fans, myself included, who really enjoy it when the Force is left out of Star Wars and the stories instead focus on more relatable characters who lack Jedi abilities. Don't get me wrong, Jedi are awesome, but the old X-Wing book series, and games like X-Wing Alliance and pre-NGE Star Wars Galaxies, proved that you can have a great Star Wars experience without them.
Absolutely.
The Jedi/Sith thing is all well and good but that universe has such a rich level of detail and storytelling that the non-force users often are far more interesting that all the lightsaber ninja jumping stuff.
The old X-wing books were brilliant because they showed the normal guys in the struggle. Rogue One is the same, you see the true nature of the struggle without some superhero Jedi to save the day.
I beg to differ, but it might be just me. But Star Wars is a fairy tale, as I said. Rogue One is a bit like watching what the peasants at the neighbouring fief did while the hero saves the princess from the dragon. Force use in Star Wars should not be limited to "ninja jumps" and lightsabres, but it's about the motif of good versus evil. With Rogue One we have a bunch of people running around, shouting and shooting blasters. I don't find war stories that are literally nothing but shooting and yelling very compelling, we have enough wars in our real life. I enjoy the fantastic space battles with the authentic ships of course and I enjoy a good ground action scene with aliens and lasers, but if it's all we have and in the end not much in terms of overcoming these conflicts (which couldn't be the case by the very nature of RO premise) I feel there's a lot lacking. I enjoy playing the "ordinary" people in the story when playing a video game, just like I enjoy combat heavy Star Trek games. But in my opinion it's not enough to make a movie out of it.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Just wanted to respond to this specifically, there are a large number of fans, myself included, who really enjoy it when the Force is left out of Star Wars and the stories instead focus on more relatable characters who lack Jedi abilities. Don't get me wrong, Jedi are awesome, but the old X-Wing book series, and games like X-Wing Alliance and pre-NGE Star Wars Galaxies, proved that you can have a great Star Wars experience without them.
Absolutely.
The Jedi/Sith thing is all well and good but that universe has such a rich level of detail and storytelling that the non-force users often are far more interesting that all the lightsaber ninja jumping stuff.
The old X-wing books were brilliant because they showed the normal guys in the struggle. Rogue One is the same, you see the true nature of the struggle without some superhero Jedi to save the day.
This is very true. It's nice to not have Jedi/Sith in your face every other second.
That said, the force is defiantly an underlining theme throughout, just not so in your face like with the prequels or some of the EU.
I said earlier that I wished the Blind Guy would have disappeared on death, as Yoda and Ben did.
Now, a lot of people may say he's just a blind guy, He's never had a master, how can he be powerful enough that the he would have a force ascension on death ?
Jedi/Sith manipulate the Force and use it for their own means. A Jedi or Sith needs to be trained by a master, and pass a series of trials, culminating in building their own personal lightsaber.
But,
I believe personally that the blind guy (Chirrut Imwe) was on Yoda or Ben's level as far as "faith in the Force" goes.
He was a former protector of Kybar Crystals after all. And while an unconventional example, he in his own way was very powerful with the force.
I truly believe Blind Guy's (Chirrut Imwe) "Master" .... WAS THE FORCE itself.
It was within him and his heart, he was attuned to it's messages and guidance, as he was completely devoted to living with the force as his ally.
So while he may not have had formal training like a Jedi or Sith, I really believe he was a master in his own right.
Chirrut was someone who could "hear" the Force (perhaps) as clearly as Yoda had.
And in that way, I think he was amongst the greatest force "users" (albeit - unconventional) that we've ever seen in any of the movies.
This is why I feel very strongly about him. This is alos why I believe they could have given him the Yoda/Ben Ascension death. And it would have been fitting (at least IMO).
In any event, that is my take away on the Chirrut character. And in my mind, he DID disappear when he passed on Scarif.
And due to how different a Force user he was compared to what we've always seen, I think this makes Chirrut my favorite SW character ever.
I really didn't expect that going in. Maybe that's why I was pleasantly surprised by his (and his partners) performance in RO.
It's just a shame they couldn't get more about him into the movie.
I think he was the strongest character in that film imho.
Hopefully there will be more on him with the extended/deleted scenes.
I thought his character was a refreshing retake on "what a force user could be". And I really enjoyed it for that reason.
That's a weird argument. We didn't have a WW3 or eugenics wars. Star Trek is set in it's own universe now, it makes no sense to "update" it.
And for many casual viewers, having that pointed out would turn a show that's only marginally relevant into completely irrelevant.
When your writers are so eager to be considered relevant or even ((gasp)) important when they make their social-commentary-of-the-week, you NEVER want to lose your audience at the door. And believe me, pithy social commentary is way more important to them than building a consistent setting.
Finally saw it (everyone got sick last week when we were originally going to go), hands down my all time favorite Star Wars movie! My only complaints are I would have liked an opening crawl, I wish John Williams had done the score, and
[spoiler]I'm wondering what it means when so many people call a movie that objectively has the least elements of a franchise their favorite of that franchise xD[/spoiler]
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The older movies represented the times they were made in. Times have changed. This movie better represents how we as a people feel right now. So since this movie relates better to how we feel, it is a better movie to us. As times change our opinions may change depending on what we think at the time.
Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.
I'm wondering what it means when so many people call a movie that objectively has the least elements of a franchise their favorite of that franchise xD
You can't have Jedi without Star Wars, but you can have Star Wars without Jedi. The Force is not what makes the series, it's the characters and the constant struggle of good versus evil. This movie was about the Rebel Alliance, one of the most important factions in the franchise, which is made up of people who, as Casion said in the movie, suffered greatly at the hands of the Empire and decided to do something about it. So it has the characters and their struggle against evil, the true things that make Star Wars what it is, and for anyone who misses Jedi Chirrut is clearly force sensitive anyway.
If you never have before I strongly recommend you read the X-Wing novels. They may be "Legends" now, but they are still very enjoyable. They focus on Rogue Squadron, now lead by Wedge Antilles, as they continue to fight the Empire for the New Republic.
I mean, there were no Jedi and only one obvious "right here" Sith, namely Vader, but that almost seems better than having a lot of force-users running around, since that one guy showing up has a lot more impact without 47 Jedi backing you up.
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I wasn't terribly impressed with the story. Seemed kind of bland to me. What I did enjoy were the visuals and battle scenes, especially the climactic battle. Possibly my new favorite sci-di battle.
They also did a good job of making the clunky blasters of the Star Wars franchise seem deadly.
blasters were always deadly, and it showed in spades; right from the moment the first shot was fired by a stormtrooper and slammed into the chest of a tantive iv crewmember so forcefully it blew him back and left a massive black crater in his chest
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
@alexmakepeace This is what I meant saying the whole movie is basically [spoiler]watching someone play Star Wars Battlefront. The props are amazing and the action really enjoyable, buts it's not enough, to me at least, as a movie. I enjoy the battles in the hobbit as well, but two hours of dwarves fighting wouldn't do it either[/spoiler]
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
blasters were always deadly, and it showed in spades; right from the moment the first shot was fired by a stormtrooper and slammed into the chest of a tantive iv crewmember so forcefully it blew him back and left a massive black crater in his chest
Okay, they were always lethal, but they weren't intimidating. They were sci-fi guns that made silly noises when they fired their slow laser bolts. They never felt like they were something to be feared (kind of ironic because they were built from real weapons). The new series uses a lot of the same guns, but now they tweaked them somehow so they have punch.
@alexmakepeace This is what I meant saying the whole movie is basically (Spoiler)
Indeed. There's nothing really unique about the characters, the things they do are standard adventure fare. They're not interesting people, because the plot is not character driven, it's events-driven. It's about things happening, rather than about people doing things.
I personally feel that one of the strengths of settings like Star Wars and Star Trek are there large universes where you can easily have stories featuring just about anyone in the setting. With an galaxy wide civil war you have a ton of unexplored potential for stories on both the rebels and imperial side.
With Disney's push to add side stories to the mix I wouldn't mind having a moving shown from the perspective of a group of well meaning imperial soldiers. A group who chose to work their way up the ranks in the hopes of reforming the system from the inside, rather than violently trying to tear it down from the outside.
On a spoilery side note, was anyone else disappointed by...
...how quickly the rebel leaders wanted to surrender. It seems somewhat odd that people who rallied to fight against a powerful galaxy spanning empire would suddenly get cold feet at that particular moment. It makes you wonder what kind of stories could be told about the leaders who chose to cut and run rather than fight the Death Star, if they would have been expelled from the rebellion afterwards or would they be welcomed back.
On a spoilery side note, was anyone else disappointed by...
...how quickly the rebel leaders wanted to surrender. It seems somewhat odd that people who rallied to fight against a powerful galaxy spanning empire would suddenly get cold feet at that particular moment. It makes you wonder what kind of stories could be told about the leaders who chose to cut and run rather than fight the Death Star, if they would have been expelled from the rebellion afterwards or would they be welcomed back.
Well, they had just been presented with a weapon that spelled certain doom for all of them. Most of the leaders were politicians, not fighters, so it's perfectly understandable that they would be scared into submission by that kind of power, it was the entire point of building the Death Star in the first place. You build it, you use it just once, and then as Tarkin said in ANH "Fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this station."
On a spoilery side note, was anyone else disappointed by...
...how quickly the rebel leaders wanted to surrender. It seems somewhat odd that people who rallied to fight against a powerful galaxy spanning empire would suddenly get cold feet at that particular moment. It makes you wonder what kind of stories could be told about the leaders who chose to cut and run rather than fight the Death Star, if they would have been expelled from the rebellion afterwards or would they be welcomed back.
Well, they had just been presented with a weapon that spelled certain doom for all of them. Most of the leaders were politicians, not fighters, so it's perfectly understandable that they would be scared into submission by that kind of power, it was the entire point of building the Death Star in the first place. You build it, you use it just once, and then as Tarkin said in ANH "Fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this station."
Exactly.
That said, while showcasing its destructive power reinforced the grip of the Empire over the galaxy, using it to destroy Alderaan proved to be a fatal mistake as it caused the exact opposite. When you blow up a peaceful, respectable, beautiful and older member of the Galactic Republic under questionable pretenses, just because it "may" have ties with a rebellion, and then persecute its survivors, it tends to tick other planets off.
On a spoilery side note, was anyone else disappointed by...
...how quickly the rebel leaders wanted to surrender. It seems somewhat odd that people who rallied to fight against a powerful galaxy spanning empire would suddenly get cold feet at that particular moment. It makes you wonder what kind of stories could be told about the leaders who chose to cut and run rather than fight the Death Star, if they would have been expelled from the rebellion afterwards or would they be welcomed back.
Well, they had just been presented with a weapon that spelled certain doom for all of them. Most of the leaders were politicians, not fighters, so it's perfectly understandable that they would be scared into submission by that kind of power, it was the entire point of building the Death Star in the first place. You build it, you use it just once, and then as Tarkin said in ANH "Fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this station."
Exactly.
That said, while showcasing its destructive power reinforced the grip of the Empire over the galaxy, using it to destroy Alderaan proved to be a fatal mistake as it caused the exact opposite. When you blow up a peaceful, respectable, beautiful and older member of the Galactic Republic under questionable pretenses, just because it "may" have ties with a rebellion, and then persecute its survivors, it tends to tick other planets off.
It wasn't just destroying Alderaan that was the Empire's downfall; it was also the fact that they lost the Death Star right afterward. If the Rebellion had lost the battle of Yavin, I think the Empire would have remained in power for the rest of old Palpy's life, and probably longer. It would have been simple enough to modify the exhaust port to neutralize the threat, since the Empire analyzed the Rebel attack and noticed the exhaust port's danger. But since they lost the Death Star, that meant they couldn't stop other planets from rising up.
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Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
On a spoilery side note, was anyone else disappointed by...
...how quickly the rebel leaders wanted to surrender. It seems somewhat odd that people who rallied to fight against a powerful galaxy spanning empire would suddenly get cold feet at that particular moment. It makes you wonder what kind of stories could be told about the leaders who chose to cut and run rather than fight the Death Star, if they would have been expelled from the rebellion afterwards or would they be welcomed back.
Well, they had just been presented with a weapon that spelled certain doom for all of them. Most of the leaders were politicians, not fighters, so it's perfectly understandable that they would be scared into submission by that kind of power, it was the entire point of building the Death Star in the first place. You build it, you use it just once, and then as Tarkin said in ANH "Fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this station."
Exactly.
That said, while showcasing its destructive power reinforced the grip of the Empire over the galaxy, using it to destroy Alderaan proved to be a fatal mistake as it caused the exact opposite. When you blow up a peaceful, respectable, beautiful and older member of the Galactic Republic under questionable pretenses, just because it "may" have ties with a rebellion, and then persecute its survivors, it tends to tick other planets off.
It would have ticked people off, but if the Death Star had not had its weakness, it wouldn't matter. Open Rebellion for a planet spells war, and thus the Rebel cause would have no viable military support. Every law enforcement or paramilitary force on a world would do whatever the Empire demands of them to prosecute rebellious elements or terrorists, for fear of being blown up entirely. Freedom or Death? There will be enough quite willing to not look up to see that Imperial Flag as long as they can stay alive.
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soo... speaking of Tarkin.... How did you think he looked? Apparently this is the first time anyone's done this elaborate a job of faking an actor's presence. They shot with a body double, then overlaid that with CGI.
soo... speaking of Tarkin.... How did you think he looked? Apparently this is the first time anyone's done this elaborate a job of faking an actor's presence. They shot with a body double, then overlaid that with CGI.
I liked the CGI Tarkin. There were a few times his mouth movements looked a little weird, but otherwise, I thought it was great.
As for the CGI Leia, her mouth was completely in the wrong place. Too high, I think. It was kind of funny, I was like "ooh, 1977 Carrie Fisher...wait a minute..."
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Jyn wasn't a very good character. She wasn't awful, she was just kinda... there. Her emotional moments almost all fall flat, and she's far and away the least interesting character in the movie. Her entire supporting cast was fantastic, which made it all the more obvious how lackluster she was.
Some of the references and cameos were shoehorned awkwardly and are a disservice to the movie. What do the Mos Eisley goons add? Why do C-3PO and R2-D2 show up just to make one offhanded comment? It feels forced, almost cynical, which is really confusing given how loving and carefully crafted everything else feels. You could have cut those brief scenes out and lose absolutely nothing.
Donnie Yen continues to prove that he is the most dangerous man alive in any movie provided you give him a stick.
I deeply love how dangerous Stormtroopers feel lately. Between Force Awakens and this, they really feel like a fighting force to be reckoned with. At least as much as mooks can be expected to, anyway.
The Tarkin effect was good but had way too much screentime, making it really obvious just how uncanny valley it looked. The Leia effect I didn't really notice given I had little time to scrutinize it, which is exactly what they should have done with Tarkin.
I feel like whoever wrote the scene where Vader singlehandedly cut through almost a dozen Rebel troops was trying to apologize for the prequel Anakin. If so, apology accepted. Apology friggin accepted. It really punctuates the lack of Force stuff in this movie, too - everything is so grounded, and then this happens and it's terrifying and fantastic.
As for overall ratings, since that's a thing we're doing:
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Force Awakens
Rogue One
Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
I'm not the biggest fan of dark and gritty Star Wars, but Rogue One is a nice change of pace.
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Yes. The amount of Force in the movie was preferable to my taste. I would have accepted a bit more, but I really could do without the backflipping super-awesome monster-death-murder-kill machines of the Prequels, or the Starship wrecking Jedi of the novels.
Absolutely.
The Jedi/Sith thing is all well and good but that universe has such a rich level of detail and storytelling that the non-force users often are far more interesting that all the lightsaber ninja jumping stuff.
The old X-wing books were brilliant because they showed the normal guys in the struggle. Rogue One is the same, you see the true nature of the struggle without some superhero Jedi to save the day.
damn you sir...damn you to hell
how could you post that evil vile thing
its evil i say EEEEVEEEEEELLLLL!!!!
Please for the love of all humanity put it back into its vault then bury it back in the core of the earth never to see the light of day again lol
I can't even.....
Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.
-Star Trek: Is There in Truth No Beauty? (1968)
Yeah that makes sense.
I must be thinking of RotJ Vader.
What I notice about the costume specifically;
The neck piece was floating around way above the collar (looked really weird to me), and the helmet looked slightly to big for the body on close ups.. But, I'm nitpicking here, its not a big issue. Just thought the costume has looked a lot tighter and better overall at different points in the OT.
But that's the beauty of it. They used authentic props and costumes. Not trying to make stuff more modern or more "hip", they actually did a great job using what was used back then and not make it look out of place today. I wish that would be the approach Star Trek would take as well. Not trying to "tech up" TOS and pre-TOS times but actually using the real stuff.
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but with star trek, technology that supposed to be several HUNDRED years ahead of our time looking positively primitive by comparison? sorry, that doesn't fly
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That's a weird argument. We didn't have a WW3 or eugenics wars. Star Trek is set in it's own universe now, it makes no sense to "update" it.
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That said, the force is defiantly an underlining theme throughout, just not so in your face like with the prequels or some of the EU.
I said earlier that I wished the Blind Guy would have disappeared on death, as Yoda and Ben did.
Now, a lot of people may say he's just a blind guy, He's never had a master, how can he be powerful enough that the he would have a force ascension on death ?
Jedi/Sith manipulate the Force and use it for their own means. A Jedi or Sith needs to be trained by a master, and pass a series of trials, culminating in building their own personal lightsaber.
But,
I believe personally that the blind guy (Chirrut Imwe) was on Yoda or Ben's level as far as "faith in the Force" goes.
He was a former protector of Kybar Crystals after all. And while an unconventional example, he in his own way was very powerful with the force.
I truly believe Blind Guy's (Chirrut Imwe) "Master" .... WAS THE FORCE itself.
It was within him and his heart, he was attuned to it's messages and guidance, as he was completely devoted to living with the force as his ally.
So while he may not have had formal training like a Jedi or Sith, I really believe he was a master in his own right.
Chirrut was someone who could "hear" the Force (perhaps) as clearly as Yoda had.
And in that way, I think he was amongst the greatest force "users" (albeit - unconventional) that we've ever seen in any of the movies.
This is why I feel very strongly about him. This is alos why I believe they could have given him the Yoda/Ben Ascension death. And it would have been fitting (at least IMO).
In any event, that is my take away on the Chirrut character. And in my mind, he DID disappear when he passed on Scarif.
And due to how different a Force user he was compared to what we've always seen, I think this makes Chirrut my favorite SW character ever.
I really didn't expect that going in. Maybe that's why I was pleasantly surprised by his (and his partners) performance in RO.
It's just a shame they couldn't get more about him into the movie.
I think he was the strongest character in that film imho.
Hopefully there will be more on him with the extended/deleted scenes.
I thought his character was a refreshing retake on "what a force user could be". And I really enjoyed it for that reason.
And for many casual viewers, having that pointed out would turn a show that's only marginally relevant into completely irrelevant.
When your writers are so eager to be considered relevant or even ((gasp)) important when they make their social-commentary-of-the-week, you NEVER want to lose your audience at the door. And believe me, pithy social commentary is way more important to them than building a consistent setting.
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The older movies represented the times they were made in. Times have changed. This movie better represents how we as a people feel right now. So since this movie relates better to how we feel, it is a better movie to us. As times change our opinions may change depending on what we think at the time.
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If you never have before I strongly recommend you read the X-Wing novels. They may be "Legends" now, but they are still very enjoyable. They focus on Rogue Squadron, now lead by Wedge Antilles, as they continue to fight the Empire for the New Republic.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
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They also did a good job of making the clunky blasters of the Star Wars franchise seem deadly.
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Okay, they were always lethal, but they weren't intimidating. They were sci-fi guns that made silly noises when they fired their slow laser bolts. They never felt like they were something to be feared (kind of ironic because they were built from real weapons). The new series uses a lot of the same guns, but now they tweaked them somehow so they have punch.
Indeed. There's nothing really unique about the characters, the things they do are standard adventure fare. They're not interesting people, because the plot is not character driven, it's events-driven. It's about things happening, rather than about people doing things.
With Disney's push to add side stories to the mix I wouldn't mind having a moving shown from the perspective of a group of well meaning imperial soldiers. A group who chose to work their way up the ranks in the hopes of reforming the system from the inside, rather than violently trying to tear it down from the outside.
On a spoilery side note, was anyone else disappointed by...
That said, while showcasing its destructive power reinforced the grip of the Empire over the galaxy, using it to destroy Alderaan proved to be a fatal mistake as it caused the exact opposite. When you blow up a peaceful, respectable, beautiful and older member of the Galactic Republic under questionable pretenses, just because it "may" have ties with a rebellion, and then persecute its survivors, it tends to tick other planets off.
It wasn't just destroying Alderaan that was the Empire's downfall; it was also the fact that they lost the Death Star right afterward. If the Rebellion had lost the battle of Yavin, I think the Empire would have remained in power for the rest of old Palpy's life, and probably longer. It would have been simple enough to modify the exhaust port to neutralize the threat, since the Empire analyzed the Rebel attack and noticed the exhaust port's danger. But since they lost the Death Star, that meant they couldn't stop other planets from rising up.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
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I liked the CGI Tarkin. There were a few times his mouth movements looked a little weird, but otherwise, I thought it was great.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
As for overall ratings, since that's a thing we're doing:
I'm not the biggest fan of dark and gritty Star Wars, but Rogue One is a nice change of pace.
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