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plz give us some example topic's. when your get home. that are not retro topic's. wishing your a safe journey on your romulan shuttle. don't forget the optolythic data rod ...
HAHAHA, just like a Cardy to hope I die on the way home!!!!
More Species Option ( Ferengi ,Talaxian ,L.borg ,Suliban ,Aliens ...)
Tutorial Missions for the Red Faction ( could be same map but telling the story from opposite angle )
Ability to buy more char. slots ( min 8 for every new recruitment )
Ferengi are already a playable species for the Federation. I don't know what you could do with a playable faction for them that makes sense for the story of the game.
Talaxian: They're a Lifer exclusive species, so I doubt they're going to be made playable.
Liberated Borg: Another lifer exclusive. There was talks about a playable faction, but they need to figure out how to not alienate the lifer base who already have them.
Suliban: At minimum, they still should be at least a playable species for the Romulan Republic.
Aliens: Technically, these are for all factions as you can make alien characters.
now as for that Tutorial missions for the Red Faction, do you mean a Tutorial for the Klingons? Because they already have a Tutorial for the Klingons. A redone one starting from level 1 since Legacy of Romulus.
Years ago I have always hoped for a Playable Dominion. Jem'Hadar and Vorta, along with uniforms fitting for the faction. Maybe toss in some Gamma Quadrant species for good measure, but Jem'Hadar and Vorta would be core. LOL, maybe even a Changeling? Would make sense for them to go around kicking a lot of rears like player characters already do and have an entourage of JH and Vorta.
They could also give them their own unique versions of already released Dominion warships. Not the same exact ones, but specific stats, differences unique to them.
More Species Option ( Ferengi ,Talaxian ,L.borg ,Suliban ,Aliens ...)
Tutorial Missions for the Red Faction ( could be same map but telling the story from opposite angle )
Ability to buy more char. slots ( min 8 for every new recruitment )
Ferengi are already a playable species for the Federation. I don't know what you could do with a playable faction for them that makes sense for the story of the game.
Talaxian: They're a Lifer exclusive species, so I doubt they're going to be made playable.
Liberated Borg: Another lifer exclusive. There was talks about a playable faction, but they need to figure out how to not alienate the lifer base who already have them.
Suliban: At minimum, they still should be at least a playable species for the Romulan Republic.
Aliens: Technically, these are for all factions as you can make alien characters.
now as for that Tutorial missions for the Red Faction, do you mean a Tutorial for the Klingons? Because they already have a Tutorial for the Klingons. A redone one starting from level 1 since Legacy of Romulus.
ferengi for tos ,rom ,kdf and for new faction
lib. borg and talaxians same of curse for the lifers
suliban same ,why not children of the temporal cold war
aliens for tos and for new faction
kdf tos tutorial and new faction's kdf tutorial. but seeing this as red faction gives more opportunities
I still don't understand how we got some weird time-traveling faction before Cardassians.
because spoonheads suck!
honestly after the way they handled AoY I dont want to see a new fraction... but for the sake of conversation
TOS Romulan/KDF for the next one or
TOS Gorn that ally with the Klinks when they move forward ala the existing system Romulans have
or
Dominion mini-fraction, but one that opens at the end of Iconian War, not an alternate tutorial.
As for races for the above? There are several Vulcanoid races available for Romulans, as well as Suliban, or something new.
Klinks don't really need one but could separate the victims of the "augment virus" as an actual different sub-species with different traits. Or introduce a little heard from subject species.
Some sources for Gorn suggest they are a Hegemony of 3 different species that were discovered close together and were found to be so genetically similar as to be able to cross breed(giving credence to their ancient empire of proto-gorn theory). We could introduce these 2 others, one could perhaps be the one we saw on ENT.
TOS Romulan/KDF for the next one or
TOS Gorn that ally with the Klinks when they move forward ala the existing system Romulans have
I doubt we will see a ToS Rom/KDF/Gorn/Orion/etc faction.
There simply isn't the content there to do anything with them.
I doubt we will too but I call bullshizz on the content part... especially as we're talking about mini-fractions here so 6-8missions. That's easy as hell to do
I doubt we will too but I call bullshizz on the content part... especially as we're talking about mini-fractions here so 6-8missions. That's easy as hell to do
Not really given that the ToS Fed missions already covered basically everything about the Gorn/Roms/Klinks from that era.
-Gorn showed up in ONE episode of ToS
-Roms showed up in 3
-Klingons in 7
You could get 1-2 missions out of Gorn/Roms, and maybe three out of the Klinks.
But this is ignoring the fact that the ToS Fed missions already went over the major stuff about the Gorn/Roms/Klinks we saw in ToS.
come back when you develop even a LITTLE imagination.... seriously....
Because, post Dominion war the Cardassians are a people in many ways more destroyed then even the Romulans, and were banned from having a military force like Japan was post WW2.
Cardassians don't have a military, they don't really field ships of their own outside a very small planetary defense force for their homeworld, and are 100% dependent on the Federation to protect them in case they get invaded.
That may be, but you can still mine that for stories to tell. Off the top of my head, the main plot for a Cardassian faction could focus around a resurgent True Way. The Cardassians start out trying to contain and eliminate the True Way on their own, but find that it's more powerful than they thought and as a result they have to enlist the aid of the Federation and Klingons. They could even tie it to the Mirror Universe, with the True Way receiving aid from the Terrans (also giving the devs the chance to flesh out the MU story line and how the Terrans reformed the Empire). And then things progress and the Cardassians decide they should take a more active role in galactic events to build up some good will and that ties in with the whole Laas arc and the Dominion reoccupation of DS9 and all that other stuff. There's no reason a Cardassian faction couldn't be done.
come back when you develop even a LITTLE imagination.... seriously....
This is Star Trek Online not "100% made up things we are interesting into the Star Trek Universe: Online"
That is why everything they do is some reference to an episode, or something mentioned in an episode.
Not to mention after the outcry after the Defari were introduced, Cryptic already knows making up new things will just cause people to complain.
Well just for starters the Rihannsu novels are a major bit of source material for the RR, so no, not everything references TV shows or movies.... Also there are quite a few plot hooks available to be played off of from existing Romulan appearances in star trek episodes.
Also please show me the episode where Romulans invade Gorn Rock and attack the cooperating gorn/federation bases...
please show me the episode where Gorn and Na'khul escort a DD to attack a UFP starbase while temporally displaced vessels from the future madly scramble to escort warp cores into its mouth.
So, again, come back when you develop an imagination.... and a bit more brain.
[quote="somtaawkhar;13117826"] We already had a resurgent True way stroyline as part of the Cardassian Struggle arc, and the Feds/Klinks/Roms already took care of it.
Not to mention that storyline already includes a sub plot about the Terrans helping the True Way... which we ALSO ended.[/quote]
True way is old hat, I agree. But ending the ban on cardassian military opens the door to new ships with joined dominion/cardassian aesthetics and abilities. That fills the roster and gives a reason to see them doing something new. Gamma recruit event with cardassian and vorta and other alien racial options. Few tutorial missions starting in alpha in the old cardassian territory ending in gamma and then a few feature episodes in gamma like we are getting now for agents.
That would open up a ton of cool story possibilities too, and really doesn't need a slew of missions to accomplish.
I really don't think I could face another faction or another recruiting event, I still haven't played my AOY character after getting the temporal transponder.
sure its fun creating a new character and playing any faction only missions but after that it just the drudgery of replaying the rest of the story missions over again also I am quite happy with the six characters I play now, 3 main characters that do every new mission or will do eventually and 3 alt characters that I levelled up to lv50 and now I only use for farming dilithium during mini events like the recent crystalline event.
I'll have to wait and see how I feel when it happens but at this point in time I would pass on this.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
We already had a resurgent True way stroyline as part of the Cardassian Struggle arc, and the Feds/Klinks/Roms already took care of it.
Not to mention that storyline already includes a sub plot about the Terrans helping the True Way... which we ALSO ended.
Yeah, and that True Way arc was removed when Cardassian Struggle was revamped, meaning that for all intents and purposes it never happened. There's no reason it couldn't be brought back and fleshed out more as the Cardassian faction story line.
And yeah, the current Cardassian Struggle arc shows the end of the Laas/MU collaboration, but there's room to tell the story of how it began. And again, that could also potentially be part of a Cardassian faction arc.
i see it like the agents story. The tutorial missions are set before 2409, the featured episodes are post Iconian war.
So the tutorial is a trial program to see is cardassia is ready to reclaim their military rights, something goes wrong (maybe tie into the part of the true way story where rugan is confronted about missing warships) then the program is shut down but your captain is picked up by fed/kdf for [plot device reasons]. Go through normal arcs with some special dialog. End Iconian war and the alliance needs help rebuilding, Rugan reopens the program. Boom- into the featured episodes.
Basically a mirror of the agents but without temporal shenanigans and using political shenanigans instead.
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The won't do a Cardassian or Dominion faction because of one simple fact: They offered their ships in a LOCKBOX. The two iconic Cardi ships were lockbox, one was actually THE FIRST lockbox. Pretty much the entire canon Dominion fleet is Lockbox/Lobi.
Another reason is each faction has its own native damage type.
Fed: Phaser
KDF: Disruptor
Romulan: Plasma
While it would be ok to do Dominion as theirs would be Polaron, what would Cardassians use? Phasers?
The Cardassians are STO's version of post WW2 Japan. Only allowed a Self Defense Force, and are basically a protectorate of the Federation, and I believe STO lore says that Cardassia is considering applying for Federation membership.
A Dominion faction wouldn't make sense when you get to the 2800 Feature Series. Why would a Dominion ship be fired on by other Dominion ships? Why would a Player Jem'Hadar or Vorta be shot at by Dominion War era Jem'Hadar?
So sorry guys. Neither a Cardassian or Dominion faction would make sense at all. Would make more sense to add Cardassians as a playable C-Store species than it would a Faction in any capacity.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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What are you talking about? The True Way story is part of the Cardassian revamp..... its the whole reason behind why the arc happens.
Also, seeing how it began would be contradictory to the in-game story arc where we don't know about it. If a Cardassian captain was there to see it begin, we would have known about the New Link/Terran Empire/True Way alliance before the arc begins... and we do not.
Did you play the Cardassian arc at all prior to the revamp? Because they cut out a lot of missions that had you dismantling the True Way's support infrastructure while you were searching for their leadership. What we have now is a shadow of what Cardassian Struggle once was, since the revamp of the arc removed a lot of content (much like the Romulan revamp did). I'll grant that the arc desperately needed reworking, because it was full of long, tedious missions that often had poorly written characters, and they made little sense. But that doesn't mean that the core concepts can't be refined, repurposed, and rewritten to work as a Cardassian faction story line.
TOS has been stated, multiple times, to only be about races mentioned in the TOS verse. Since Ferengi originated in TNG (and we don't talk about that, so DS9) no way for them to be a TOS species. As for Rom and KDF: Ferengi are also a Federation species within STO, not independent.
So, again, come back when you develop an imagination.... and a bit more brain.
No need getting all rude. Your "imagination and brain" are somebody else's "off the rails". Yes, STO is off the rails in a few respects (with the gazillion of Breen, Sphere Builder, Whathaveyou ships in the hands of the factions and stuff), but some things remain. Yes, sooner or later the devs will run out of original stuff to draw from and make up stuff of their own (Lukari...). But that doesn't mean that everything else is fair game. A writer doesn't normally get a "we want X to happen, use your imagination to do so" but a "We start at Y, what will/can happen?". Because that makes for better storylines. And in the end it also makes for better consistency, because that is what matters most in Fantasy and SciFi settings.
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Ferengi are already a playable species for the Federation. I don't know what you could do with a playable faction for them that makes sense for the story of the game.
Talaxian: They're a Lifer exclusive species, so I doubt they're going to be made playable.
Liberated Borg: Another lifer exclusive. There was talks about a playable faction, but they need to figure out how to not alienate the lifer base who already have them.
Suliban: At minimum, they still should be at least a playable species for the Romulan Republic.
Aliens: Technically, these are for all factions as you can make alien characters.
now as for that Tutorial missions for the Red Faction, do you mean a Tutorial for the Klingons? Because they already have a Tutorial for the Klingons. A redone one starting from level 1 since Legacy of Romulus.
Years ago I have always hoped for a Playable Dominion. Jem'Hadar and Vorta, along with uniforms fitting for the faction. Maybe toss in some Gamma Quadrant species for good measure, but Jem'Hadar and Vorta would be core. LOL, maybe even a Changeling? Would make sense for them to go around kicking a lot of rears like player characters already do and have an entourage of JH and Vorta.
They could also give them their own unique versions of already released Dominion warships. Not the same exact ones, but specific stats, differences unique to them.
ferengi for tos ,rom ,kdf and for new faction
lib. borg and talaxians same of curse for the lifers
suliban same ,why not children of the temporal cold war
aliens for tos and for new faction
kdf tos tutorial and new faction's kdf tutorial. but seeing this as red faction gives more opportunities
I still don't understand how we got some weird time-traveling faction before Cardassians.
because spoonheads suck!
honestly after the way they handled AoY I dont want to see a new fraction... but for the sake of conversation
TOS Romulan/KDF for the next one or
TOS Gorn that ally with the Klinks when they move forward ala the existing system Romulans have
or
Dominion mini-fraction, but one that opens at the end of Iconian War, not an alternate tutorial.
As for races for the above? There are several Vulcanoid races available for Romulans, as well as Suliban, or something new.
Klinks don't really need one but could separate the victims of the "augment virus" as an actual different sub-species with different traits. Or introduce a little heard from subject species.
Some sources for Gorn suggest they are a Hegemony of 3 different species that were discovered close together and were found to be so genetically similar as to be able to cross breed(giving credence to their ancient empire of proto-gorn theory). We could introduce these 2 others, one could perhaps be the one we saw on ENT.
As for Dominion, thats obvious.
I doubt we will too but I call bullshizz on the content part... especially as we're talking about mini-fractions here so 6-8missions. That's easy as hell to do
come back when you develop even a LITTLE imagination.... seriously....
Well just for starters the Rihannsu novels are a major bit of source material for the RR, so no, not everything references TV shows or movies.... Also there are quite a few plot hooks available to be played off of from existing Romulan appearances in star trek episodes.
Also please show me the episode where Romulans invade Gorn Rock and attack the cooperating gorn/federation bases...
please show me the episode where Gorn and Na'khul escort a DD to attack a UFP starbase while temporally displaced vessels from the future madly scramble to escort warp cores into its mouth.
So, again, come back when you develop an imagination.... and a bit more brain.
We already had a resurgent True way stroyline as part of the Cardassian Struggle arc, and the Feds/Klinks/Roms already took care of it.
Not to mention that storyline already includes a sub plot about the Terrans helping the True Way... which we ALSO ended.[/quote]
True way is old hat, I agree. But ending the ban on cardassian military opens the door to new ships with joined dominion/cardassian aesthetics and abilities. That fills the roster and gives a reason to see them doing something new. Gamma recruit event with cardassian and vorta and other alien racial options. Few tutorial missions starting in alpha in the old cardassian territory ending in gamma and then a few feature episodes in gamma like we are getting now for agents.
That would open up a ton of cool story possibilities too, and really doesn't need a slew of missions to accomplish.
sure its fun creating a new character and playing any faction only missions but after that it just the drudgery of replaying the rest of the story missions over again also I am quite happy with the six characters I play now, 3 main characters that do every new mission or will do eventually and 3 alt characters that I levelled up to lv50 and now I only use for farming dilithium during mini events like the recent crystalline event.
I'll have to wait and see how I feel when it happens but at this point in time I would pass on this.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
And yeah, the current Cardassian Struggle arc shows the end of the Laas/MU collaboration, but there's room to tell the story of how it began. And again, that could also potentially be part of a Cardassian faction arc.
So the tutorial is a trial program to see is cardassia is ready to reclaim their military rights, something goes wrong (maybe tie into the part of the true way story where rugan is confronted about missing warships) then the program is shut down but your captain is picked up by fed/kdf for [plot device reasons]. Go through normal arcs with some special dialog. End Iconian war and the alliance needs help rebuilding, Rugan reopens the program. Boom- into the featured episodes.
Basically a mirror of the agents but without temporal shenanigans and using political shenanigans instead.
Another reason is each faction has its own native damage type.
Fed: Phaser
KDF: Disruptor
Romulan: Plasma
While it would be ok to do Dominion as theirs would be Polaron, what would Cardassians use? Phasers?
The Cardassians are STO's version of post WW2 Japan. Only allowed a Self Defense Force, and are basically a protectorate of the Federation, and I believe STO lore says that Cardassia is considering applying for Federation membership.
A Dominion faction wouldn't make sense when you get to the 2800 Feature Series. Why would a Dominion ship be fired on by other Dominion ships? Why would a Player Jem'Hadar or Vorta be shot at by Dominion War era Jem'Hadar?
So sorry guys. Neither a Cardassian or Dominion faction would make sense at all. Would make more sense to add Cardassians as a playable C-Store species than it would a Faction in any capacity.
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TOS has been stated, multiple times, to only be about races mentioned in the TOS verse. Since Ferengi originated in TNG (and we don't talk about that, so DS9) no way for them to be a TOS species. As for Rom and KDF: Ferengi are also a Federation species within STO, not independent.
No need getting all rude. Your "imagination and brain" are somebody else's "off the rails". Yes, STO is off the rails in a few respects (with the gazillion of Breen, Sphere Builder, Whathaveyou ships in the hands of the factions and stuff), but some things remain. Yes, sooner or later the devs will run out of original stuff to draw from and make up stuff of their own (Lukari...). But that doesn't mean that everything else is fair game. A writer doesn't normally get a "we want X to happen, use your imagination to do so" but a "We start at Y, what will/can happen?". Because that makes for better storylines. And in the end it also makes for better consistency, because that is what matters most in Fantasy and SciFi settings.
You know Everquest is still alive and kicking right? And that was one of the first MMOs I believe.
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