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nikeix
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So in the past I had very little interest in fleet versions of ships, either because my dream machines were coming out of lockboxes or I was buying T6 ships that came complete-off-the-showroom-floor. I've done it once to set up my Fed main with a fleet Eclipse. But now we're having a couple of waves of ships that have fleet versions, so I went back to see if my other Fed captains have to pay $5 each to use a ship I've already unlocked with real cash-y money. The vendor thoughtfully tells me "you don't have any fleet ship modules"...
What? My $35 wasn't enough? I mean I like the Eclipse, but not enough to pay for it over and over.
I don't get it. $30 + $5 Per Captain? While things like the battlecruisers and flagships are all paid up with the initial $30?
Is this just something people with alts have always shrugged their shoulders at? Seems odd some T6s are buy-one-and-done, and others are looking at your pool of alts and laughing behind their sleeve.
I have seven captains. I'd be kinda interested in the cross-faction science ships pack for ~60$. But for $95 plus more money if I add any more alts to my stable, Cryptic can go jump in a lake.
What? My $35 wasn't enough? I mean I like the Eclipse, but not enough to pay for it over and over.
I don't get it. $30 + $5 Per Captain? While things like the battlecruisers and flagships are all paid up with the initial $30?
Is this just something people with alts have always shrugged their shoulders at? Seems odd some T6s are buy-one-and-done, and others are looking at your pool of alts and laughing behind their sleeve.
I have seven captains. I'd be kinda interested in the cross-faction science ships pack for ~60$. But for $95 plus more money if I add any more alts to my stable, Cryptic can go jump in a lake.
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Because zeni store ships, including dozens of T6 zeni store ships AREN'T?
I have lots of T6 ships unlocked account-wide. Ships with 11 consoles and everything. In fact the only one I have that doesn't come with full T6 performance is the Eclipse, and I thought that was just because it's OLD. I wasn't really expecting to seem them backslide, basically
We're still talking an extra $15 just to set up one character from each faction with a 'full T6' science ship.
Hell, I'd rather just pay $35 up front and not have to navigate the hoops seven times. It would also let fleet-adverse players get on with it...
So what people are saying is "Yes, I shrug my shoulders that these new ships perform on par with numerous other T6 offerings, but cost more... much more if I have alts."
The couple of fleet ships ive gotten were designated specifically for that toon and i wouldnt want it for everyone, so it wasnt an issue.
reward ships are account wide visit rep - event - store ... that said. i really wish that fleet ships had some things more special on them like escorts pilot abilities ...
Fleet ships, per definition, come from a Fleet holding. For that reason alone, they'll always be character bound, as other toons on your character may not even be in a Fleet (thus an account-wide unlock for purchased Fleet ships would give such a toon access to things they're not supposed to have).
I don't really mind Cryptic milkin an extra $5 outta min/max'ers and one of the 2 fleet ships I have, I got the module free from my fleet as a reward for a certain amount of donations.
That's called shrugging your shoulders
Please. You knew, or should have known, exactly how this worked in advance.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned I've only have one 'fleet' ship in my entire stable and collecting it was such a pain in the butt I hadn't tried to get any more for any of my captains. I may have known in a vague way, but I haven't had my nose rubbed in it for a while now.
My surprise is after 2 years of giving us better deals, they've suddenly gone whole hog on the old model. The entire MMO industry has figured out there's no percentage in punishing players for having alts. So while I'd like to applaud them for finally giving the KDF and Roms a T6 science ship, I can't say I'm thrilled they've chosen this particular sales model. Guess I'll just keep running the Eternal when I get that particular itch. You know, the one with a full eleven consoles right out of the gate.
Nope, it has always been this way for T5 and most T6 ships. Some are "fleet out of the box" but most are not. There is no "suddenly" about it, unless 2012 is "suddenly" to you.
My unsupported theory is it's ones they think are less desirable. T6 Defiant, Arbiter = 10 console. T6 command battlecruisers with underwhelming inspiration mechanic = 11 console.
No... that's how it started out, and then they did wave after wave of fleet out of the box.
9x command battlecruisers
9x pilot escorts
9x flagships
3x 31st century temporal
Not exactly trivial. In fact if you're KDF or Romulan, there are MORE fleet out of the box ships available through the zeni store than there are fleet ships.
I came back to the game in the middle of those releases so you can see how that might seem like the norm to me
Fine, Cryptic, you win. I'll stick to the lockbox ships where I don't have any illusion of paying one price to get something endgame for my entire stable. Thanks for the good deals you used to offer. I've never regretted picking up the flagship megabundle and the 31c bundle is probably the best bang for the buck in the entire zeni store.
Zen is a different thing entirely. It's the in-game representation of real money, thus any ships you buy with it are an investment unlike fleet and lobi ships, which are just the representations of time and effort. It's why T5 ships that can be upgraded yet aren't bought with zen are the exception and not the rule, zen T5 ships are an investment and upgrading them is protecting that investment. It only makes sense that zen ships should be available to all applicable characters, you invested in it so you should be able to use it when and where ever.
Yes, some ships have been fleet out of the box, most have not.
But not the 3 x Federation temporal. Nothing has changed, it's been some are - some aren't all along.
Fleet Nautilus - http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Nautilus_Temporal_Science_Vessel
Again, if you're KDF or Rom most zeni-store T6 ships are fleet grade out of the box
Its not a big deal, it's just dropping this offering down to what may be below the threshold I'll buy-in on. It becomes a question of 'is it worth it for the admiralty card and the ship trait?' Which is probably the primary question I should be asking anyway. With things like a T'laru and the Eternal already in my toolbox and my KDF-aligned sciency Rom is sitting in a Paradox (which will probably kick the snot out of any of these stats-wise). It's unlikely these would be permanent/regular ships anyway. I probably should just save my money in anticipation of the key-buying frenzy to get some of the upcomming 'newly revised T6 lockbox ships' to upgrade the ones I'm regularly flying now (LLiarh and Narcine).
The whole "lets gimp the ship so we can sell upgrade modules" just took the shine off the apple really, really fast for me.
I guess I look at it differently since I play Fed too not just KDF and Rom, and since all my Rom and KDF ships have fleet versions (Delta pack, Defiant pack, Arbiter pack, Manticore pack). I happen to have bought 19 x T6 needs-fleet since 2014, you happen to have bought x fleet-already.
When the first 9-pack of T6 ships came out, there were people complaining they couldn't buy a fleet version. A Dev came in and pointed out that every 9 pack was made up of Fleet Grade ships. This includes T5 ships like the Dyson 9-Pack.
Your list of Fleet Grade ships demonstrates the continuation of this pattern. "But what about the 3-Pack of 31c ships? They aren't a 9 pack!" you ask. Well, they are like a 9 pack in that they include 3 different classes of ships for all 3 factions.
Meanwhile, IIRC, all other C-Store ship releases have been non-Fleet Grade ships. No conspiracies. No Devs trying to sell subpar ships by tacking a console on. Just a business practice they chose to use AND chose to communicate to us *AND* chose to stick to down the line.
Now, if you want to complain that more stand alone ships have been released for Fed-side than KDF/Rom: The majority of recent C-Store ships for KDF/Rom are Fleet-Grade because they were parts of 9-Packs, so this would be a more valid complaint.