I dont blame cryptic, these things are very common and it does frustrate me that they are almost always exclusive to the USA, but many mmos have done this and yes it can feel unfair to the non yanks but unless the industry or more importantly nations change then we just have to suck it up and just hope we win the digital giveaways.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Don't try and talk sense to people. It confuses them. It's much easier to just blame Cryptic for everything.
I dunno, the code which allows someone to play the ship from WizKids in STO? Someone at Cryptic had to approve it.
Neither of you have ever been pointed out to anyone as someone who has a firm grip on the facts.
Nor are either of you paragons of restraint and good judgement.
What makes you think Cryptic is able to approve of anything beyond developing the game? Cryptic needs approval from CBS to make sure that any new content fits CBS' vision of Star Trek. Cryptic needs approval from Paramount for anything related to the new Star Trek movies. Cryptic needs approval from PWE and CBS for any marketing, contests, and promotions.
I never stated the groups mentioned did not have a say in whether or not Cryptic participates in the contest, did I?
Aren't you supposed to be gone? As in not here any more? As in you posted a long rambling angst filled post about how anything related to this game was ruining your life, contributing to global warming, and made you vote for Trump and such?
For the three of you who weren't paying attention: I will now type s l o w e r and use words which are a lot smaller. Small words fit better into your attention span.
STO Players from all over world good! Contest not allow players from all over world bad! Unfair! STO players from all over world unhappy! Cryptic in contest like this bad! Cryptic dumb for contest like this! Bad decision by everybody!
That's as simply as I can express my opinion on this. Unless you come over to my house and let me break out the crayons and the drawing paper.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
That's exactly what I would expect a Cylon to say....
Seriously though. Why do you think that it's up to Cryptic to choose whether a contest or promotion gets run? How do you know that their license allows them to tell CBS no if they think it's a bad idea?
Because, like I said, it's not the stuff care about, but the blatent exclusion. That's rather new, even for Cryptic. They have a player base outside of the USA too, you know!?
Ok, so? It's not like it's the end of the world.
And is not that he is asking ppl to build bunkers to get ready for the end of the world. He just made legit complain about something. Do you love cryptic so much that you have to go and the defend the company and put peoples words that they did not make? Do u love cryptc so much? Lol..
Except it's not Cryptic, and the first two words were "Really, Cryptic?" They should have been "Really, laws and regulations regarding international commerce?"
Op there could be a very good reaso for this like copyright or some other restrictions outside of the US, remember were getting stuff that we all thought would be a cold day in hell aka T6 connie.
For the sov maybe CBS has some sort of restriction regarding the foreign markets, it could even be as simple was this wizkids company might not be able to handle foreign orders due to logisitcs.
I dont think that this is some machiavellian plot to exclude other countries, its more then likley something simple like logisitics or CBS having copyright restrictions outside of the US.
They shouldn't have contest or any kind of giveaways that is restricted to only a little group of people, specially not because of location.
You're meant to be happy for other people when good things happen to them, not jealous and bitter.
Nah, nobody is jealous or bitter. He's actually got a point, though. If it can't be done for the entire player base, it's probably wise not doing at all. Nobody likes the "Only open to residents of the United States!", in-your-face approach of a giveaway! It just feels rude (even if there are good, solid legal reasons for it: it's the first impression of the wording that counts).
I was quite happy with my Gold-plated Ferengi Marauder, for instance; but even then I felt it was kinda unfair to exclude others who had definitely been equally 'loyal' customers. Exclusion of a certain segment of the player base, for whatever reason, true or perceived, is, IMHO, just rarely a good idea. So, were it me, I would have found a different way to distribute these giveaway items. But, like I said many times in this thread already, as giveaways go, this was a minor one, and didn't really have my interest. I just thought it was worded rudely, is all.
Because, like I said, it's not the stuff care about, but the blatent exclusion. That's rather new, even for Cryptic. They have a player base outside of the USA too, you know!?
Ok, so? It's not like it's the end of the world.
No, it isn't. But there are still things worth being surprised over, other than end-of-the-world events. And making this so blatently an 'America-only' thing really *did* catch me by surprise, for what really is an international game.
N.B. And no, I'm not angry; nor even upset (chances of winning any of these, being a US citizen or no, are remotely slim as it is). Just surprised.
As a Yanqui living in Argentina, I agree with your viewpoint. Exclusionary policies are only noticed when one is among those excluded. The responses to your observations are themselves educational. And really quite sadly representative of what's wrong with Amerikan society today.
Because, like I said, it's not the stuff care about, but the blatent exclusion. That's rather new, even for Cryptic. They have a player base outside of the USA too, you know!?
Ok, so? It's not like it's the end of the world.
This isn't the first time that these restrictions popped up for STO (let alone other games/gaming companies) when it comes to physical prizes.
I bought the Archon already. It's the Vizier that's a pain to get where I'm at. Most stores that were involved in the WizKids/Hero-Clicks have either closed up, or haven't anything new in a while.
Hopefully I can order it through one of the surviving stores that deal with that game.
"Only a little group of people"? Shush up. Again, foreigners get the chip off your shoulder. This IS an american game. And its long over, moving forward.
It's the "if I can't have it no one should" comment you are also making which is jealous and bitter though.
If you put it like that, yeah, then it sounds spiteful. My comment, however, was more about the general wisdom of excluding certain segments of the player base (even, like I said, if reasons for doing so are valid).
While there is precedent for this type of contest, it really wasn't fair for them to only allow it for US residents when there is a digital component. As somebody who entered that contest without reading it was only open to US residents, I feel a bit let down - in previous "competitions" there has always been a Zen equivalent offered in place of the physical prize.
That being said, the code for the Vizier is only available with the Ent-E Expansion Pack - most likely, as per the terms of any agreement that WizKidz might have/have had with Cryptic. It's out of our hands, and most likely theirs as well.
It's the "if I can't have it no one should" comment you are also making which is jealous and bitter though.
If you put it like that, yeah, then it sounds spiteful. My comment, however, was more about the general wisdom of excluding certain segments of the player base (even, like I said, if reasons for doing so are valid).
True, but outside of this promotion, how else would the collectors/"completionists" among us find out about such a thing, unless they already play ST:AW? This was probably done in the attempt that it would get players of STO over onto the ST:AW boat as well.
While there is precedent for this type of contest, it really wasn't fair for them to only allow it for US residents when there is a digital component. As somebody who entered that contest without reading it was only open to US residents, I feel a bit let down - in previous "competitions" there has always been a Zen equivalent offered in place of the physical prize.
That being said, the code for the Vizier is only available with the Ent-E Expansion Pack - most likely, as per the terms of any agreement that WizKidz might have/have had with Cryptic. It's out of our hands, and most likely theirs as well.
Well put, all of it. You accurately described both why non-Americans have every right to be somewhat upset by this turn of events, and why they most likely had to be excluded the way they were.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Just look at the problems involved with Lottery drawings and giveaways. Nearly all of them have the exclusion clause of some sort. Heck, they even exclude half the US states and territories in those as well. *shrug*
While there is precedent for this type of contest, it really wasn't fair for them to only allow it for US residents when there is a digital component. As somebody who entered that contest without reading it was only open to US residents, I feel a bit let down - in previous "competitions" there has always been a Zen equivalent offered in place of the physical prize.
That being said, the code for the Vizier is only available with the Ent-E Expansion Pack - most likely, as per the terms of any agreement that WizKidz might have/have had with Cryptic. It's out of our hands, and most likely theirs as well.
Well put, all of it. You accurately described both why non-Americans have every right to be somewhat upset by this turn of events, and why they most likely had to be excluded the way they were.
Yes, a company has no real financial reason to exclude part of their customers. So it was likely, some or none.
So let me get this straight. Someone not in the US buys the WhizKids Wave 27, it has the STO code, but Cryptic will not accept the code? I don't get that. A code is a code is a code. It should just be accepted period. It's not like we don't get stuff in the Promotions Tab for EVERYONE as it is.
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
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"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
I never stated the groups mentioned did not have a say in whether or not Cryptic participates in the contest, did I?
Aren't you supposed to be gone? As in not here any more? As in you posted a long rambling angst filled post about how anything related to this game was ruining your life, contributing to global warming, and made you vote for Trump and such?
For the three of you who weren't paying attention: I will now type s l o w e r and use words which are a lot smaller. Small words fit better into your attention span.
STO Players from all over world good! Contest not allow players from all over world bad! Unfair! STO players from all over world unhappy! Cryptic in contest like this bad! Cryptic dumb for contest like this! Bad decision by everybody!
That's as simply as I can express my opinion on this. Unless you come over to my house and let me break out the crayons and the drawing paper.
Seriously though. Why do you think that it's up to Cryptic to choose whether a contest or promotion gets run? How do you know that their license allows them to tell CBS no if they think it's a bad idea?
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Except it's not Cryptic, and the first two words were "Really, Cryptic?" They should have been "Really, laws and regulations regarding international commerce?"
For the sov maybe CBS has some sort of restriction regarding the foreign markets, it could even be as simple was this wizkids company might not be able to handle foreign orders due to logisitcs.
I dont think that this is some machiavellian plot to exclude other countries, its more then likley something simple like logisitics or CBS having copyright restrictions outside of the US.
Nah, nobody is jealous or bitter. He's actually got a point, though. If it can't be done for the entire player base, it's probably wise not doing at all. Nobody likes the "Only open to residents of the United States!", in-your-face approach of a giveaway! It just feels rude (even if there are good, solid legal reasons for it: it's the first impression of the wording that counts).
I was quite happy with my Gold-plated Ferengi Marauder, for instance; but even then I felt it was kinda unfair to exclude others who had definitely been equally 'loyal' customers. Exclusion of a certain segment of the player base, for whatever reason, true or perceived, is, IMHO, just rarely a good idea. So, were it me, I would have found a different way to distribute these giveaway items. But, like I said many times in this thread already, as giveaways go, this was a minor one, and didn't really have my interest. I just thought it was worded rudely, is all.
As a Yanqui living in Argentina, I agree with your viewpoint. Exclusionary policies are only noticed when one is among those excluded. The responses to your observations are themselves educational. And really quite sadly representative of what's wrong with Amerikan society today.
This isn't the first time that these restrictions popped up for STO (let alone other games/gaming companies) when it comes to physical prizes.
I bought the Archon already. It's the Vizier that's a pain to get where I'm at. Most stores that were involved in the WizKids/Hero-Clicks have either closed up, or haven't anything new in a while.
Hopefully I can order it through one of the surviving stores that deal with that game.
Meanwhile, nothing for KDF or Romulan players.
*shrug* Who wants yet another fed ship, free or otherwise?
Again, foreigners get the chip off your shoulder. This IS an american game. And its long over, moving forward.
If you put it like that, yeah, then it sounds spiteful. My comment, however, was more about the general wisdom of excluding certain segments of the player base (even, like I said, if reasons for doing so are valid).
That being said, the code for the Vizier is only available with the Ent-E Expansion Pack - most likely, as per the terms of any agreement that WizKidz might have/have had with Cryptic. It's out of our hands, and most likely theirs as well.
True, but outside of this promotion, how else would the collectors/"completionists" among us find out about such a thing, unless they already play ST:AW? This was probably done in the attempt that it would get players of STO over onto the ST:AW boat as well.
Well put, all of it. You accurately described both why non-Americans have every right to be somewhat upset by this turn of events, and why they most likely had to be excluded the way they were.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Other than that, I can only say: "..."
My character Tsin'xing
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'