Just wanted to point out that Enterprise-B is still M.I.A. after 200 years.
Enterprise Retrofit (Motion Picture)
Admiral Kirk: Why does it not have the letter A in the designation?
Mr Scott: It is the same ship
Admiral Kirk: You blind? It is a bloody new ship, what did they do to justice not a letter A?
Enterprise-B was that Excelsior Class from Star Trek Generations. There isn't a whole lot cemented down into canon about that ship, but it lasted a reasonable amount of time so there's nothing to suggest it's fate was different from any of the others (destroyed in action).
Enterprise NX01 is still in a museum somewhere if memory serves, and so is the Enterprise-A if you don't consider the book "The Ashes of Eden" part of official canon. All the others were known to be destroyed, with the possible exception of B (never been stated) and E (that's a bit of lore invented for this game).
Of course, there are get-out clauses for more.
Before Enterprise there were five Enterprises - 1701, A, B, C and D (as stated by Scotty in TNG and numerous other places in that series) with the E arriving later for the movies. The NX01 was not referenced whatsoever at all prior to the sudden revelation that 1701 was suddenly not the first "Starship Enterprise" at all; a thing which required a whole lot of hoop jumping to avoid the obvious contradictions it would have created.
Now we're getting a USS Discovery. Sure it's not Enterprise, but the key thing is that Discovery is set a decade before TOS, and it features a brand new look for a (presumably) Federation vessel. That means, providing Discovery wasn't a one-off multi-race design, a Starship Enterprise could easily fit in around that point too, melding the stylistic look of Discovery with a more traditional shape. Only it wouldn't be NCC 1701, but maybe another NX.
Enterprise-B was that Excelsior Class from Star Trek Generations. There isn't a whole lot cemented down into canon about that ship, but it lasted a reasonable amount of time so there's nothing to suggest it's fate was different from any of the others (destroyed in action).
Enterprise NX01 is still in a museum somewhere if memory serves, and so is the Enterprise-A if you don't consider the book "The Ashes of Eden" part of official canon. All the others were known to be destroyed, with the possible exception of B (never been stated) and E (that's a bit of lore invented for this game).
Of course, there are get-out clauses for more.
Before Enterprise there were five Enterprises - 1701, A, B, C and D (as stated by Scotty in TNG and numerous other places in that series) with the E arriving later for the movies. The NX01 was not referenced whatsoever at all prior to the sudden revelation that 1701 was suddenly not the first "Starship Enterprise" at all; a thing which required a whole lot of hoop jumping to avoid the obvious contradictions it would have created.
Now we're getting a USS Discovery. Sure it's not Enterprise, but the key thing is that Discovery is set a decade before TOS, and it features a brand new look for a (presumably) Federation vessel. That means, providing Discovery wasn't a one-off multi-race design, a Starship Enterprise could easily fit in around that point too, melding the stylistic look of Discovery with a more traditional shape. Only it wouldn't be NCC 1701, but maybe another NX.
Now who's to say that's it?
More like it's going to be the Cage era, which is just dandy for me.
I never go into this "the enterprise is the flagship" thing. Let some other ship have that title for a change.
This is my view (in universe, with all that we have seen to date).
I suspect it became a tradition after Kirk. The first time Enterprise is flagship is in TOS, and it is probably named in honour of the NX-01 Enterprise in recognition of its achievements. When the 1701 achieved its own illustrious legacy, the name of the ship probably transcended to a special level of consideration and became reserved for flagships (using the "paragon" definition/idea of the word "flagship"). So any time an Enterprise was destroyed/lost/retired, and a new ship came out that was top of the line for its day and served as a manifest icon of the Federation... it was designated Enterprise.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Excelsior was going to be designated flag (especially given its name), but that when Enterprise was destroyed and the newly built Constitution replacing her was rechristened in her honour, they allowed Kirk's ship to retain the flagship title. Then having helped achieve in no small part, something as significant as peace between the Klingons and Federation... they looked at a roster of three ships that had borne the name and performed in roles that epitomised the Federation... and thought: "let's call all our flagships that".
Enterprise-B was that Excelsior Class from Star Trek Generations. There isn't a whole lot cemented down into canon about that ship, but it lasted a reasonable amount of time so there's nothing to suggest it's fate was different from any of the others (destroyed in action).
Enterprise NX01 is still in a museum somewhere if memory serves, and so is the Enterprise-A if you don't consider the book "The Ashes of Eden" part of official canon. All the others were known to be destroyed, with the possible exception of B (never been stated) and E (that's a bit of lore invented for this game).
Of course, there are get-out clauses for more.
Before Enterprise there were five Enterprises - 1701, A, B, C and D (as stated by Scotty in TNG and numerous other places in that series) with the E arriving later for the movies. The NX01 was not referenced whatsoever at all prior to the sudden revelation that 1701 was suddenly not the first "Starship Enterprise" at all; a thing which required a whole lot of hoop jumping to avoid the obvious contradictions it would have created.
Now we're getting a USS Discovery. Sure it's not Enterprise, but the key thing is that Discovery is set a decade before TOS, and it features a brand new look for a (presumably) Federation vessel. That means, providing Discovery wasn't a one-off multi-race design, a Starship Enterprise could easily fit in around that point too, melding the stylistic look of Discovery with a more traditional shape. Only it wouldn't be NCC 1701, but maybe another NX.
Now who's to say that's it?
The NX01 is no more a Federation Enterprise than the HMS Enterprize was. Thats why it's never mentioned.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Enterprise-B was that Excelsior Class from Star Trek Generations. There isn't a whole lot cemented down into canon about that ship, but it lasted a reasonable amount of time so there's nothing to suggest it's fate was different from any of the others (destroyed in action).
Enterprise NX01 is still in a museum somewhere if memory serves, and so is the Enterprise-A if you don't consider the book "The Ashes of Eden" part of official canon. All the others were known to be destroyed, with the possible exception of B (never been stated) and E (that's a bit of lore invented for this game).
Of course, there are get-out clauses for more.
Before Enterprise there were five Enterprises - 1701, A, B, C and D (as stated by Scotty in TNG and numerous other places in that series) with the E arriving later for the movies. The NX01 was not referenced whatsoever at all prior to the sudden revelation that 1701 was suddenly not the first "Starship Enterprise" at all; a thing which required a whole lot of hoop jumping to avoid the obvious contradictions it would have created.
Now we're getting a USS Discovery. Sure it's not Enterprise, but the key thing is that Discovery is set a decade before TOS, and it features a brand new look for a (presumably) Federation vessel. That means, providing Discovery wasn't a one-off multi-race design, a Starship Enterprise could easily fit in around that point too, melding the stylistic look of Discovery with a more traditional shape. Only it wouldn't be NCC 1701, but maybe another NX.
Now who's to say that's it?
According to the Okudas, the Enterprise-B went missing in the 2320s possibly due to the crew contracting a virus and left Federation space. The Enterprise-J is a part of the Universe Class per the new Star Trek Encyclopedia coming out next month.
To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time the Enterprise has been away from the major spot-lit conflict.
We know little of what they were doing for the larger majority of the Dominion War.
To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time the Enterprise has been away from the major spot-lit conflict.
We know little of what they were doing for the larger majority of the Dominion War.
Putting out brush fires.
What we see during Insurrection, is apparently what the Enterprise has been doing for a while by then: small diplomatic missions, investigating incidents etc. You can note how Picard gets a bit tired of it all.
They were also at Earth during the attack of the Breen, taking charge of it defence and counter-attack together with the Cairo according to Vorgon Conclusions.
>The NX01 is no more a Federation Enterprise than the HMS Enterprize was. Thats why it's never mentioned.
Hence the hoop jumping I mentioned. And as I continued trying to point out, that opens the door for more Enterprises to suddenly come out of the woodwork. I mean, we know NX01 was pre-Federation so a later ship must be Federation right? Nope... despite the Federation existing, there's no evidence it was Earth's solitary space fleet that it later became right up to The Cage. Discovery could look the way it does if it's built by a seperate organisation that later merged or got absorbed into the Federation, and they could have build an Enterprise or two. We can't just assume NX01 was the only "extra" Enterprise just because it lead to the founding of the Federation.
>No it doesn't. Our Captains are the "stars of the show". We seem to be doing just fine without them.
I never said take over hero duties. I simply said it should be seen more; Enterprise is and always has been a hugely present ship, and just because we're viewing things from a different perspective should not change that. We have out adventures, it has it's own, and from time to time paths cross. And as a hugely iconic component of STO (it's even the title screen ship) we see bizarrely less of it than we should.
>I never go into this "the enterprise is the flagship" thing. Let some other ship have that title for a change.
It's a huge tradition by this point that goes way deeper than just having a ship called "Enterprise" at the front of the fleet. Every time you see the arrowhead Starfleet insignia it's there too. Back in the TOS days every ship had it's own badge/emblem. Because of what Enterprise accomplished, Starfleet took it's badge and used it fleet-wide from that point forth.
The odd thing about thinking about this is that it suddenly makes no sense that Drozana was entirely populated by Enterprise crew back in the 23rd Century. Yeah, the two familiar ones were there (by themselves, where was the ship?) but the entire staff were Enterprise officers? More than likely an oversight since they should have had their own badge at that point in time. Oh well
The odd thing about thinking about this is that it suddenly makes no sense that Drozana was entirely populated by Enterprise crew back in the 23rd Century. Yeah, the two familiar ones were there (by themselves, where was the ship?) but the entire staff were Enterprise officers? More than likely an oversight since they should have had their own badge at that point in time. Oh well
Two thoughts occur here...
First is the amount of resources in game. I think its impractical to have every NPC spawn with different badges. Maybe they should make a badge for Drozana and K7 and other missions that are featured. I once tried creating an entirely populated space station for a Foundry episode once (a T5 fleet starbase with old ESD for its interior, so pretty big and I'm quite proud of what I did with what I had), but they lock the individual costumes off after a certain point, and you are forced to resort to group spawns. So it woudn't surprise me if similar limitations were in place for NPCs and NPC groups in episodes.
Secondly is time frame. While Drozana missions are pre: TOS encounters with TOS characters (and so the crew should be required to have different badges, AOY is possibly a different matter. There was a missed opportunity there to suggest that it was at that point in the 23rd century that Starfleet began adopting the Enterprise insignia fleet wide. There could have been a little bit of dialogue as an easter egg. This isn't a criticism by the way... just an idea that I had after the event.
the 1701-A had a different name and was re-chrisined ' Enterprise ' after the events of TSFS - mr scotts guide to the enterprise
I think if IIRC it was the USS Dallas
Depends on the source. Some claim that it was the USS Yorktown before being renamed, others say it was the USS Ti-Ho. I don't think that it was ever clarified in offical canon though.
Enterprise NX01 is still in a museum somewhere if memory serves, and so is the Enterprise-A if you don't consider the book "The Ashes of Eden" part of official canon.
'The Ashes of Eden' is not canon, thankfully. An awful, awful book that I regret ever having read and wouldn't recommend to anyone.
the 1701-A had a different name and was re-chrisined ' Enterprise ' after the events of TSFS - mr scotts guide to the enterprise
I think if IIRC it was the USS Dallas
Depends on the source. Some claim that it was the USS Yorktown before being renamed, others say it was the USS Ti-Ho. I don't think that it was ever clarified in offical canon though.
Enterprise NX01 is still in a museum somewhere if memory serves, and so is the Enterprise-A if you don't consider the book "The Ashes of Eden" part of official canon.
'The Ashes of Eden' is not canon, thankfully. An awful, awful book that I regret ever having read and wouldn't recommend to anyone.
I quite liked it myself, Ashes.
I didn't. Starfleet selling ships to other worlds is preposterous - even worse when you think that it was a ship once named 'Enterprise'. Nothing more than a poorly conceived plot device to get Kirk aboard his former ship.
Admiral Drake was pointless enemy - his motivation was not entirely clear and the whole 'I want war with the Klingons/revenge' was done FAR better in ST:TUC,
Why the heck would Kirk be an expert in Klingon martial arts? One of many example of Shater's ego influencing the writing.
There are other things, but all in all this wasn't a strong book in my view.
The Ent-A was going to end up target practice, better to be sold as a surplus ship for some planet than scrap, yo.
Well, the whole "I WANT REVENGE!" thing was Nero's bit, and so many folks PRAISE that film for some weird reason. >_>
Nothing wrong with learning more kung fu. Data learned the Vulcan neck pinch....so.....
>The NX01 is no more a Federation Enterprise than the HMS Enterprize was. Thats why it's never mentioned.
Hence the hoop jumping I mentioned. And as I continued trying to point out, that opens the door for more Enterprises to suddenly come out of the woodwork. I mean, we know NX01 was pre-Federation so a later ship must be Federation right? Nope... despite the Federation existing, there's no evidence it was Earth's solitary space fleet that it later became right up to The Cage. Discovery could look the way it does if it's built by a seperate organisation that later merged or got absorbed into the Federation, and they could have build an Enterprise or two. We can't just assume NX01 was the only "extra" Enterprise just because it lead to the founding of the Federation.
The USS Franklin (a Romulan War era ship) was specified as a Federation vessel. The NX-02 was very likely the last ship ever produced by Earth Starfleet.
There's no room for any more Enterprise's except prior to the NX-01.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
As for "Ashes", it had a much more convincing and interesting plot than the last 5 Trek films.... combined.
As for the Enterprise B, i'd like to think it came home and was retired peacefully when the Ambassador Class launched. Other than it and the NX, every single Enterprise has been destroyed. Not a great track record for the flagship.
Nothing breaks the tension better than a tankard of warnog - except maybe a good brawl...
As for "Ashes", it had a much more convincing and interesting plot than the last 5 Trek films.... combined.
As for the Enterprise B, i'd like to think it came home and was retired peacefully when the Ambassador Class launched. Other than it and the NX, every single Enterprise has been destroyed. Not a great track record for the flagship.
Yep, I'd not wanna be assigned to an Enterprise with that sorta record. o_O;;
I had a thought a while back about Enterprise-B being a causality of the temporal cold war, maybe the body of an enemy crewperson got infected by the virus their ship was carrying during the skirmish between them and the Player which the Ent-B beams up sometime later?
I had a thought a while back about Enterprise-B being a causality of the temporal cold war, maybe the body of an enemy crewperson got infected by the virus their ship was carrying during the skirmish between them and the Player which the Ent-B beams up sometime later?
I had a thought a while back about Enterprise-B being a causality of the temporal cold war, maybe the body of an enemy crewperson got infected by the virus their ship was carrying during the skirmish between them and the Player which the Ent-B beams up sometime later?
Excuse me?
The Na'kuhl or some other faction make a bio-weapon meant for someone, but during the fight with Players ship, it breaks out of containment. At some point later, the Enterprise-B discovers the site, and the rest is history.
no loss report received by starfleet command, therefore the vessel named does not exist...............
Cryptic should have given a backstory when the Excelsior class and refit were first added. Aside from that, does your comment really work, given every Enterprise that was made afterward?
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Enterprise Retrofit (Motion Picture)
Admiral Kirk: Why does it not have the letter A in the designation?
Mr Scott: It is the same ship
Admiral Kirk: You blind? It is a bloody new ship, what did they do to justice not a letter A?
Enterprise NX01 is still in a museum somewhere if memory serves, and so is the Enterprise-A if you don't consider the book "The Ashes of Eden" part of official canon. All the others were known to be destroyed, with the possible exception of B (never been stated) and E (that's a bit of lore invented for this game).
Of course, there are get-out clauses for more.
Before Enterprise there were five Enterprises - 1701, A, B, C and D (as stated by Scotty in TNG and numerous other places in that series) with the E arriving later for the movies. The NX01 was not referenced whatsoever at all prior to the sudden revelation that 1701 was suddenly not the first "Starship Enterprise" at all; a thing which required a whole lot of hoop jumping to avoid the obvious contradictions it would have created.
Now we're getting a USS Discovery. Sure it's not Enterprise, but the key thing is that Discovery is set a decade before TOS, and it features a brand new look for a (presumably) Federation vessel. That means, providing Discovery wasn't a one-off multi-race design, a Starship Enterprise could easily fit in around that point too, melding the stylistic look of Discovery with a more traditional shape. Only it wouldn't be NCC 1701, but maybe another NX.
Now who's to say that's it?
More like it's going to be the Cage era, which is just dandy for me.
This is my view (in universe, with all that we have seen to date).
I suspect it became a tradition after Kirk. The first time Enterprise is flagship is in TOS, and it is probably named in honour of the NX-01 Enterprise in recognition of its achievements. When the 1701 achieved its own illustrious legacy, the name of the ship probably transcended to a special level of consideration and became reserved for flagships (using the "paragon" definition/idea of the word "flagship"). So any time an Enterprise was destroyed/lost/retired, and a new ship came out that was top of the line for its day and served as a manifest icon of the Federation... it was designated Enterprise.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Excelsior was going to be designated flag (especially given its name), but that when Enterprise was destroyed and the newly built Constitution replacing her was rechristened in her honour, they allowed Kirk's ship to retain the flagship title. Then having helped achieve in no small part, something as significant as peace between the Klingons and Federation... they looked at a roster of three ships that had borne the name and performed in roles that epitomised the Federation... and thought: "let's call all our flagships that".
The NX01 is no more a Federation Enterprise than the HMS Enterprize was. Thats why it's never mentioned.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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According to the Okudas, the Enterprise-B went missing in the 2320s possibly due to the crew contracting a virus and left Federation space. The Enterprise-J is a part of the Universe Class per the new Star Trek Encyclopedia coming out next month.
We know little of what they were doing for the larger majority of the Dominion War.
Putting out brush fires.
What we see during Insurrection, is apparently what the Enterprise has been doing for a while by then: small diplomatic missions, investigating incidents etc. You can note how Picard gets a bit tired of it all.
They were also at Earth during the attack of the Breen, taking charge of it defence and counter-attack together with the Cairo according to Vorgon Conclusions.
Because that's what shon won in a lockbox.
Hence the hoop jumping I mentioned. And as I continued trying to point out, that opens the door for more Enterprises to suddenly come out of the woodwork. I mean, we know NX01 was pre-Federation so a later ship must be Federation right? Nope... despite the Federation existing, there's no evidence it was Earth's solitary space fleet that it later became right up to The Cage. Discovery could look the way it does if it's built by a seperate organisation that later merged or got absorbed into the Federation, and they could have build an Enterprise or two. We can't just assume NX01 was the only "extra" Enterprise just because it lead to the founding of the Federation.
>No it doesn't. Our Captains are the "stars of the show". We seem to be doing just fine without them.
I never said take over hero duties. I simply said it should be seen more; Enterprise is and always has been a hugely present ship, and just because we're viewing things from a different perspective should not change that. We have out adventures, it has it's own, and from time to time paths cross. And as a hugely iconic component of STO (it's even the title screen ship) we see bizarrely less of it than we should.
>I never go into this "the enterprise is the flagship" thing. Let some other ship have that title for a change.
It's a huge tradition by this point that goes way deeper than just having a ship called "Enterprise" at the front of the fleet. Every time you see the arrowhead Starfleet insignia it's there too. Back in the TOS days every ship had it's own badge/emblem. Because of what Enterprise accomplished, Starfleet took it's badge and used it fleet-wide from that point forth.
The odd thing about thinking about this is that it suddenly makes no sense that Drozana was entirely populated by Enterprise crew back in the 23rd Century. Yeah, the two familiar ones were there (by themselves, where was the ship?) but the entire staff were Enterprise officers? More than likely an oversight since they should have had their own badge at that point in time. Oh well
I think if IIRC it was the USS Dallas
Two thoughts occur here...
First is the amount of resources in game. I think its impractical to have every NPC spawn with different badges. Maybe they should make a badge for Drozana and K7 and other missions that are featured. I once tried creating an entirely populated space station for a Foundry episode once (a T5 fleet starbase with old ESD for its interior, so pretty big and I'm quite proud of what I did with what I had), but they lock the individual costumes off after a certain point, and you are forced to resort to group spawns. So it woudn't surprise me if similar limitations were in place for NPCs and NPC groups in episodes.
Secondly is time frame. While Drozana missions are pre: TOS encounters with TOS characters (and so the crew should be required to have different badges, AOY is possibly a different matter. There was a missed opportunity there to suggest that it was at that point in the 23rd century that Starfleet began adopting the Enterprise insignia fleet wide. There could have been a little bit of dialogue as an easter egg. This isn't a criticism by the way... just an idea that I had after the event.
I quite liked it myself, Ashes.
The Ent-A was going to end up target practice, better to be sold as a surplus ship for some planet than scrap, yo.
Well, the whole "I WANT REVENGE!" thing was Nero's bit, and so many folks PRAISE that film for some weird reason. >_>
Nothing wrong with learning more kung fu. Data learned the Vulcan neck pinch....so.....
I didn't think that was considered to be at all canon.
The USS Franklin (a Romulan War era ship) was specified as a Federation vessel. The NX-02 was very likely the last ship ever produced by Earth Starfleet.
There's no room for any more Enterprise's except prior to the NX-01.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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As for "Ashes", it had a much more convincing and interesting plot than the last 5 Trek films.... combined.
As for the Enterprise B, i'd like to think it came home and was retired peacefully when the Ambassador Class launched. Other than it and the NX, every single Enterprise has been destroyed. Not a great track record for the flagship.
Yep, I'd not wanna be assigned to an Enterprise with that sorta record. o_O;;
Excuse me?
The Na'kuhl or some other faction make a bio-weapon meant for someone, but during the fight with Players ship, it breaks out of containment. At some point later, the Enterprise-B discovers the site, and the rest is history.
Cryptic should have given a backstory when the Excelsior class and refit were first added. Aside from that, does your comment really work, given every Enterprise that was made afterward?