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emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
I know the hard working folks down at Cryptic studios just got done releasing the game for console, but I still find the lack of any substantial news disappointing. We did after all just celebrate Trek's 50th anniversary and all the devs had to say about it was "Yay! Here's a TOS pack!"

Now I'm not insulting the free gift, or suggesting it wasn't enough. Far from it. But I would've liked to see a little more acknowledgement inside and outside of the game that Trek is now 50. A Q appearance would've been good. A one-off special mission for all players would've been even better. A week long celebration event besides the Mirror Invasion grind would've been best. I think the 50th deserves a lot more recognition than Cryptic has given it, which has been barely any.

And how bout some dev blogs hinting at the future of the game? Agents of Yesterday is old news. Even the news for console has been barely more than "It's finally here, have fun!" while they work on the first big patch to fix the worst bugs. Hey, how about some updates on the new lighting for PC and anything that's coming along with that?
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    We have gotten several of those, and, if you listen to the Temporal reputation messages, they too hint at where the game is going.

    And its Mirror Universe and Deep Space 9.

    That's all pretty lackluster. We've just seen how the new lights will look. Not whether they're being released along with other things, or when they'll arrive. And the Temporal rep hints don't hint at anything. They're just little anecdotes referencing well-known Trek characters and stories.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,795 Arc User
    We've had a whole year of new stuff, events and giveaways, and a whole season / expansion devoted to the 50th. A week to catch our breath is fine with me.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    Now I'm not insulting the free gift, or suggesting it wasn't enough. Far from it. But I would've liked to see a little more acknowledgement inside and outside of the game that Trek is now 50. A Q appearance would've been good. A one-off special mission for all players would've been even better. A week long celebration event besides the Mirror Invasion grind would've been best. I think the 50th deserves a lot more recognition than Cryptic has given it, which has been barely any.
    Well, you apparently missed the release of Agents of Yesterday, the TOS release that acknowledges that Trek is 50, that is more than a one-off special mission that everyone got a chance to participate in (they even gave us free character slots for this!), that even offered enough goals to make it last more than a week.

    Thanks, Cryptic, for the 50th Anniversary Celebration that Agents of Yesterday is!
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    I'm not really sure what you expect narrative wise.

    First of all, the stories have to go on or the game stagnates, so you're comment is asinine. Secondly, I'm expecting news updates of any kind, not a big fancy game expansion or season 12 tomorrow.

  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    bergins wrote: »
    Well, you apparently missed the release of Agents of Yesterday, the TOS release that acknowledges that Trek is 50

    Players have had plenty of time to exhaust themselves on AoY content before the anniversary, so AoY doesn't count. There should've been a unique event of some kind last week.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    Some folks have lives, macs. And if you can generate new content quickly and easily, by all means, apply to work at Cryptic! There are openings on their jobs page...​​
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  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    If they would have had a week long event along with the Mirror Incursion event, the rage would have been felt all the way into the Mirror Universe...
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    I'm not really sure what you expect narrative wise.

    First of all, the stories have to go on or the game stagnates, so you're comment is asinine. Secondly, I'm expecting news updates of any kind, not a big fancy game expansion or season 12 tomorrow.

    Like you said, they (Devs) just had a big release on console last week, why don't you allow them a little time to rest, but it is easier to insult.
  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    Like you said, they (Devs) just had a big release on console last week, why don't you allow them a little time to rest, but it is easier to insult.

    It's easy to make an observation that a comment is asinine. Hardly in the realm of insults.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,795 Arc User
    bergins wrote: »
    Well, you apparently missed the release of Agents of Yesterday, the TOS release that acknowledges that Trek is 50

    Players have had plenty of time to exhaust themselves on AoY content before the anniversary, so AoY doesn't count. There should've been a unique event of some kind last week.

    AoY doesn't count?

    TOS sets, uniforms, visuals, sound effect, stories, Walter Koenig .... don't count?

    You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to disagree 100%.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,956 Community Moderator
    With the recent console release, things are probably a little hectic. Give them time to settle down. I'm sure we'll have something come up sooner or later.
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    People seem to think I'm asking for a huge massive thing. I'm not. I'm saying an in-game celebration set up by Cryptic last week would've been nice. An expansion that was released two months ago is not the same thing. Also, a couple of words on what's going in the near future would be great.
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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    I know what you mean, OP. It's like we were celebrating all year long and then, when the actual anniversary date arrived, it was just an ordinary day. I was expecting a little bit more.. pomp. A new mission, a livestream, an anniversary video, maybe some behind-the-scenes blogs... something... anything.
  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    szim wrote: »
    I know what you mean, OP. It's like we were celebrating all year long and then, when the actual anniversary date arrived, it was just an ordinary day. I was expecting a little bit more.. pomp. A new mission, a livestream, an anniversary video, maybe some behind-the-scenes blogs... something... anything.
    Be careful about agreeing with me, you'll bring the wrath of the Cryptic apologists down on your head too.

    Well, reading the blogs makes it kinda obvious.
    What blogs? The storyline stuff? That stuff is pointless. The temporal arc is done. It's over. Old news. Time to move forward. We know nothing about season 12 or anything concrete happening to the game leading up to Christmas. It's now the middle of September. In two and a half weeks, we enter into Q4. The year is winding down. Trump will be president in a couple of months. All we know about STO right now is the lights will get prettier... soon™.
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    Be careful about agreeing with me, you'll bring the wrath of the Cryptic apologists down on your head too.
    If you think pointing out that Cryptic gave you exactly what you asked for is being an apologist...
    If you think disagreeing with you is being wrathful...

    You are asinine.
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    People seem to think I'm asking for a huge massive thing. I'm not. I'm saying an in-game celebration set up by Cryptic last week would've been nice. An expansion that was released two months ago is not the same thing. Also, a couple of words on what's going in the near future would be great.

    You... do realize that this is Cryptic we're talking about. Words that are going on about in the near future is tricky since the don't like to say much until they do know they have something nailed down. If they say "oh this is coming soon" then we ask for a release date. Kind of like the console version, people kept asking for a release date for months in other places.

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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    People seem to think I'm asking for a huge massive thing. I'm not. I'm saying an in-game celebration set up by Cryptic last week would've been nice. An expansion that was released two months ago is not the same thing. Also, a couple of words on what's going in the near future would be great.

    It may not be the same thing to you, but that expansion was made with 50 years of Star Trek in mind.
  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    People seem to think I'm asking for a huge massive thing. I'm not. I'm saying an in-game celebration set up by Cryptic last week would've been nice. An expansion that was released two months ago is not the same thing. Also, a couple of words on what's going in the near future would be great.

    It may not be the same thing to you, but that expansion was made with 50 years of Star Trek in mind.

    As well as a love letter to the series that kicked off the legend, and the universe we know, love, and have had the honor of experiencing for 50 years.

    While I have never watched any of the TOS episodes, it still brings a smile to my face each time i hear the effects, or play one of the missions. As not only is it showing love to those who first started watching Star Trek when it first started. It is also showing everything that has happened since then.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    They've been releasing original series content for several months now leading up to the 50th anniversary date.
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  • woozywyvernwoozywyvern Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    The year is winding down. Trump will be president in a couple of months. All we know about STO right now is the lights will get prettier... soon™.
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    If that's true then the future of STO will be the least of our worries! :smiley:

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  • phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    Cryptic have not handled the 50th anniversary year well in my opinion. It started brilliantly with AoY which I very much loved and which brought a lot of new people into our fleets. But they lost the momentum and when the actual anniversary day arrived they did nothing except offer a pack that most long term players had got, and it is my belief as I've stated elsewhere that this was just a consolation prize at the last minute as so many people were complaining on the forum and on social media. There was no event in game, no celebratory banners or flags, no parties other than those organised by private groups, in fact in game there was no acknowledgement at all and on social media they posted a group photo purportedly celebrating the 50th anniversary but with a photo of the PWE staff not Cryptic.

    So what are we to make of all this? Well I recently got a notification from Glass Door with an interesting quote from a former employee, you can google Glass Door Cryptic Studios and you'll find it. The quote from this employee if truthful states this:

    "Owned by Perfect World, a publisher who puts an absurd burden on Cryptic to fund their North America operations. No matter how profitable Cryptic is, it will never be enough to feed the beast."

    This seems to ring true to me, our galant devs who do a terrific job of bringing Star Trek to life are under terrific pressure, we hear complaints on these forums from people claiming that this game is one cash grab after another, read in context to the above quote I think we can see why. I know that many of the Devs are big ST fans, I am sure they would absolutely relish the day they are given free reign to design and build the game of their (and our) dreams, but the emphasis appears to be maxing out profitability above everything else including quality control, hence the inordinate amount of bugs we find on every release. My guess is they simply had no time to fit in anything like the celebrations they would have wanted to. The pack they did give away was great for people that didn't have it, but they know very well many long term players do have it so that minimises costs as it wouldn't have sold much anyway and just to be sure it was only available for 24hrs.

    Everything points to a company being stretched to the limits by the parent. Our devs do the best they can under difficult circumstances, I support them by supporting the game financially to the tune of, well a lot actually, but I can't hide my disappointment at the way the Cryptic are being managed.

    Of course no dev is going to come on here and confirm my speculative post, it's more than their job is worth, and unless some super rich Star Trek fan is going to buy Cryptic off PWE and give them free reign it looks like this is what we are stuck with. I'm thankful to PW for buying Cryptic and keeping the game going, but it's fast losing it's soul, it's fast losing a lot of players, and it's fast losing it's appeal to many. Only those that have heavily invested in this game are sticking around from what I see.

    So what of the future? I don't know, I don't work there and if I did it would depend on how much I value my job and how much of my speculation is correct. I hope it changes and the pressure for profits can be reduced a little, profits will come if you build an experience that everyone wants to share and one that has mass appeal, folks don't join an MMO because they love microtransactions, they join it for fun, adventure, great immersive story telling and in this case for their love of Star Trek, the lack of an event on the actual day is a kick in the bollocks to those fans, but not an intentional kick from the devs so I don't blame them. All we can do is wait and see what the future holds.

    I'll never understand the whole "cash grab" argument. This game is still the most free game of all the FTP games on the market, and there's no purchase required to play the game in its entirety. Sure, they charge for keys and the new R&D promo boxes that contain things that people want, but they've never charged for anything that people need.

    Selling things that people want is kind of what a business is supposed to do, at least if they want to stay in business.

    Regardless, I've been continually surprised that PWE - given the pay to win nature of the rest of their games - hasn't been more heavy handed with Cryptic games and required them to charge for expansions or "story modules" and things that are usually for sale in other FTP games.

    Likewise, there are a number of things that Cryptic could sell that they haven't offered up yet, such as new species and other cosmetic items, which are constantly being ask for, and are things that are (I'm assuming) big sellers in FTP games, even if Cryptics own "Champions".

    And while I agree that the Anniversary day was a bit of a let down (other than the give away - though that came fairly late in the day and with surprisingly little fanfare, in my opinion), I'm actually enjoying the breather from the game after so much activity over the summer. This is the time of year when a lot of gamers get back into the grind of school, so I'm assuming that this is a "calm before the storm" sort of situation, as Cryptic winds up into fall and then the winter event.

    I guess we'll have to wait and see.



  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Cryptic have not handled the 50th anniversary year well in my opinion. It started brilliantly with AoY which I very much loved and which brought a lot of new people into our fleets. But they lost the momentum and when the actual anniversary day arrived they did nothing except offer a pack that most long term players had got, and it is my belief as I've stated elsewhere that this was just a consolation prize at the last minute as so many people were complaining on the forum and on social media. There was no event in game, no celebratory banners or flags, no parties other than those organised by private groups, in fact in game there was no acknowledgement at all and on social media they posted a group photo purportedly celebrating the 50th anniversary but with a photo of the PWE staff not Cryptic.

    So what are we to make of all this? Well I recently got a notification from Glass Door with an interesting quote from a former employee, you can google Glass Door Cryptic Studios and you'll find it. The quote from this employee if truthful states this:

    "Owned by Perfect World, a publisher who puts an absurd burden on Cryptic to fund their North America operations. No matter how profitable Cryptic is, it will never be enough to feed the beast."

    This seems to ring true to me, our galant devs who do a terrific job of bringing Star Trek to life are under terrific pressure, we hear complaints on these forums from people claiming that this game is one cash grab after another, read in context to the above quote I think we can see why. I know that many of the Devs are big ST fans, I am sure they would absolutely relish the day they are given free reign to design and build the game of their (and our) dreams, but the emphasis appears to be maxing out profitability above everything else including quality control, hence the inordinate amount of bugs we find on every release. My guess is they simply had no time to fit in anything like the celebrations they would have wanted to. The pack they did give away was great for people that didn't have it, but they know very well many long term players do have it so that minimises costs as it wouldn't have sold much anyway and just to be sure it was only available for 24hrs.

    Everything points to a company being stretched to the limits by the parent. Our devs do the best they can under difficult circumstances, I support them by supporting the game financially to the tune of, well a lot actually, but I can't hide my disappointment at the way the Cryptic are being managed.

    Of course no dev is going to come on here and confirm my speculative post, it's more than their job is worth, and unless some super rich Star Trek fan is going to buy Cryptic off PWE and give them free reign it looks like this is what we are stuck with. I'm thankful to PW for buying Cryptic and keeping the game going, but it's fast losing it's soul, it's fast losing a lot of players, and it's fast losing it's appeal to many. Only those that have heavily invested in this game are sticking around from what I see.

    So what of the future? I don't know, I don't work there and if I did it would depend on how much I value my job and how much of my speculation is correct. I hope it changes and the pressure for profits can be reduced a little, profits will come if you build an experience that everyone wants to share and one that has mass appeal, folks don't join an MMO because they love microtransactions, they join it for fun, adventure, great immersive story telling and in this case for their love of Star Trek, the lack of an event on the actual day is a kick in the bollocks to those fans, but not an intentional kick from the devs so I don't blame them. All we can do is wait and see what the future holds.

    I'll never understand the whole "cash grab" argument. This game is still the most free game of all the FTP games on the market, and there's no purchase required to play the game in its entirety. Sure, they charge for keys and the new R&D promo boxes that contain things that people want, but they've never charged for anything that people need.

    Selling things that people want is kind of what a business is supposed to do, at least if they want to stay in business.

    Regardless, I've been continually surprised that PWE - given the pay to win nature of the rest of their games - hasn't been more heavy handed with Cryptic games and required them to charge for expansions or "story modules" and things that are usually for sale in other FTP games.
    I think it's success that gives them their "freedom" to do it as they do. If the model of free story but costly ships wouldn't work, Cryptic would have to abandon it. But it does. I think in this regard Star Trek Online specifically has an advantage other games don't have as much - there is no clear equivalent to a personal starship in most games. A mount in a fantasy game is just not the same.

    Though there is one game that works kinda like that - Star Citizen. It already made millions before release thanks to people buying ships for themselves.
    Likewise, there are a number of things that Cryptic could sell that they haven't offered up yet, such as new species and other cosmetic items, which are constantly being ask for, and are things that are (I'm assuming) big sellers in FTP games, even if Cryptics own "Champions".
    I think the reason they haven't offered certain things is - the interest among players isn't high enough, and neither is the willingness to spend on it. With the the power of the alien creator, there aren't many species left in Star Trek that would feel unique.

    And of course, as is, species are hard-wired to your character. Buying a species currently means making a new character. And apparently this isn't something Cryptic can change that easily, otherwise it would have happened already. And even if you could - there isn't much to gain, there aren't many race specific traits ,and they are not very impactful.

    Which highlights another aspect of the strength of selling starships - starships can be exchanged and enable totally different play styles on the very same character. So you have cool looks and a gameplay change associated with them.


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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,315 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Get used to it...fall season has always been dead silence in here. Interrupted once in a while with smaller events like MU, CE, FE reruns or even a small C store give-away. Next big thing will be Winter festival not long way from now.​​
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  • phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    What blogs? The storyline stuff? That stuff is pointless. The temporal arc is done. It's over. Old news. Time to move forward. We know nothing about season 12 or anything concrete happening to the game leading up to Christmas. It's now the middle of September. In two and a half weeks, we enter into Q4. The year is winding down. Trump will be president in a couple of months. All we know about STO right now is the lights will get prettier... soon™.
    Have you played STO since Legacy of Romulus came out?

    Ever since LoR, Cryptic has always, ALWAYS hinted at what the next season/expansion will be about in the previous season/expansion.

    Yes, the Temporal Cold war storyline is done, but that doesn't mean things from it aren't going to effect future arcs, just like the Temporal Cold War storyline started because of what we did in the "Butterfly" mission of the Iconian War.

    The Temporal Liberation Front may have been defeated, but Mirror Leeta is still out there, and all the story blogs, and reputation messages, show that the game is heading to a Mirror Universe storyline, and then a DS9 focused storyline/expansion.

    Taco said just the other day that they're not working (or he's not working) on a DS9 revamp - like they did with ESD - though he'd like to be, and Salami is a huge DS9 fan from what I understand and I believe he has mentioned in the past that he'd like to see the location revamped to be more accurate, but the fact that they're not working on it at the moment probably means that a DS9 focused episode isn't in the works right now, since that would be a perfect reason for them to get their wish to redo the station.

    That doesn't mean that there' won't be more mirror universe missions though. Probably just not focused on DS9.

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