I'm looking forward to it, I don't have 80+ Admirality Cards, and I don't do ISAs.
I actually really have always enjoyed the Mirror Events.
The old ones I'd agree. The new (current) one is basically just a countdown to completion, wether or not you actually play the game is irrelevant. Whichis why so many people AFK it - it doesn't matter if you actually shoot MU ships or not, the timer counts down wether you suck or ace it. That's what makes it so painfull. By the time the counter ticks down you can run three other queues on advanced difficulty (KSA, ISA, CCA, heck throw BOSE in the mix) and you get more for your time invested.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm at a loss about how to feel about the overall reaction to this.
I mean, both here and in-game, many of the people who are moaning about the reward that this event offers are likely the same people who run ISA over and over and over again despite the fact that, other than the dil, they don't need anything that ISA rewards either.
I'd guess the difference is that in ISA or other queues it actually matters what you do. The MU event is literally just a big timegate.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm at a loss about how to feel about the overall reaction to this.
I mean, both here and in-game, many of the people who are moaning about the reward that this event offers are likely the same people who run ISA over and over and over again despite the fact that, other than the dil, they don't need anything that ISA rewards either.
The moment you realize that ISA/CCA is fun while Mirror is not it suddenly starts to make sense.
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I'm at a loss about how to feel about the overall reaction to this.
I mean, both here and in-game, many of the people who are moaning about the reward that this event offers are likely the same people who run ISA over and over and over again despite the fact that, other than the dil, they don't need anything that ISA rewards either.
The moment you realize that ISA/CCA is fun while Mirror is not it suddently starts to make sense.
For you perhaps. I can't stand ISA, and CCA is over before even starts these days.
Right, for me most definitely. For you I don’t know but I have this feeling that you like CCA and even ISA much more than Mirror too. I cannot prove it but I really have this strange feeling that ISA is your most favorite map in all of STO.
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I guess that, whilst I don't particularly like the MU event it is at least fairly challenging IF the whole team participates/takes it seriously, on Advanced/Elite.
I still think it's ironic that some are moaning about it yet are happy to run ISA 10+ times for each of their characters. Then again, ISA only takes about two minutes to complete on average and offers a stupidly generous reward. And CCA is worse.
Saying that, I don’t really blame the players - who can blame anyone for preferring to play content that requires very little thought, barely lasts two minutes, and rewards very generously over content that requires a modicum of thought/strategy and can't be completed by simply vaping everything in as short a space of time as possible?
I'd say repetition in general kills the content. I mean nobody plays ISA for fun, really, same with CCA. But for all the fun things in STO you need to grind "the stuff", so you take the route that's quickest. There little content in STO that, repeated often enough, is still fun. The MU event has the downside I pointed out, it's simulation of challenging content - even if your team is perfect it doesn't matter at all, there's not even a dialogue line saying "you did good". And for a queue that takes place in a single place doing the same tasks 15 minutes is simply too long.
I for example like the fleet queues a lot because those are still a little bit random and allow for the use of fleet assets (NPC reinforcements, turrets, minefields etc.) to introduce a little bit of strategy to the game. Shame is that it's only normal difficulty and completely outclassed by power creep at this point. But I love the freighter escort mission which is only manageable with a good score if the team splits up and then maybe uses some fleet assets like NPC patrols to help. The rewards however are abysmal, but I still prefer that to the MU event somehow. It's not that annoying...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'd say repetition in general kills the content. I mean nobody plays ISA for fun, really, same with CCA.
You are wrong. Even the activity itself is fun. You know I go jogging from time to time. Nothing special, just a minor workout without much pain involved to get the blood pumping. After it I feel fresh, even relaxed.
What jogging does for my body, ISA in STO does for my mind. It’s nothing special either, still I’m in a better mood, in a more “ready” state afterwards. I did some easy pew pew, something which is relaxing as well. Works Monday, Tuesday... every day.
I don’t think I’m a weirdo when I associate both activities with fun now. It's a matter of peronal taste, thats all. Now if we are talking about golf or mirror event.... eeew, gets me depressed.
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Makes it an even easier decision to skip this horrible excuse for an event. It's not bad to do Mirror once or twice, but a couple weeks of running that, especially on multiple characters, is enough to make me want to set myself on fire and dive off my roof.
You are wrong. Even the activity itself is fun. You know I go jogging from time to time. Nothing special, just a minor workout without much pain involved to get the blood pumping. After it I feel fresh, even relaxed.
What jogging does for my body, ISA in STO does for my mind. It’s nothing special either, still I’m in a better mood, in a more “ready” state afterwards. I did some easy pew pew, something which is relaxing as well. Works Monday, Tuesday... every day.
I don’t think I’m a weirdo when I associate both activities with fun now. It's a matter of peronal taste, thats all. Now if we are talking about golf or mirror event.... eeew, gets me depressed.
Yes my statement was wrong, I apologize. I actually made a "nobody..." statement
I get what you are saying, it's a valid point. I guess I just can't imagine having much fun in those after so many years. Sure, as a matter of quasi meditation, why not
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Actually that Voth ship was given as the reward for 'The Breach' Event. The last Crystalline Entity Event gave the Crystalline Absorption Matrix Console.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
You are wrong. Even the activity itself is fun. You know I go jogging from time to time. Nothing special, just a minor workout without much pain involved to get the blood pumping. After it I feel fresh, even relaxed.
What jogging does for my body, ISA in STO does for my mind. It’s nothing special either, still I’m in a better mood, in a more “ready” state afterwards. I did some easy pew pew, something which is relaxing as well. Works Monday, Tuesday... every day.
I don’t think I’m a weirdo when I associate both activities with fun now. It's a matter of peronal taste, thats all. Now if we are talking about golf or mirror event.... eeew, gets me depressed.
Yes my statement was wrong, I apologize. I actually made a "nobody..." statement
I get what you are saying, it's a valid point. I guess I just can't imagine having much fun in those after so many years. Sure, as a matter of quasi meditation, why not
No need to apologize; I would also not rule out the possibility that I’m a weirdo after all. I mean… I do play the same maps almost each day for over 4 years now.
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The day Cryptic implements a more punishing AFK system such as the offender not receiving rewards will be when MI becomes exciting to play again. I love MI and Breach, but the moment someone AFK's or just troll-flies around the map is when I just want to scream sometimes. There is no excuse or justification to AFK regardless of whether it's a guaranteed completion. If the SB hits 0% it should be a fail in all difficulties!
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Personally I have no problem no big problem with the time gate. It means I'll never run it on all my alts (but I do that for none of the events).
The problem is that the time gate are not filled with activity. A good team ends up sitting idly for minutes in hopes that some few enemies make it out of the gates. If they could find something to fill this time frame with action, and maybe also make it worth your while, it would be far better.
There should be some kind of trigger that if enough enemies are blown u, some optional event occurs - maybe we have to save a freighter from a few mirror ships that dimensionally travelled a bit more remote from the station.
Or maybe they could add a special long interruptable interaction on the station that rewards you with Deuterium Surplus or an upgrade catalyst - that means AFKers probably have no chance to get it because the map doesn't get cleared enough to complete that interaction unmolested.
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as I said in the other thread on this subject, don't forget there might be many new players who haven't got that many admiralty cards who I am sure be very happy to get an extra card for their toons, always remember its not just you playing the game.
besides the shiny prize has always been of little importance to me and one or two of them have been down right horrible to me though I realise others might like them, I have always been much more interested in the dilithium & marks and only play for that most of the time, you can never get too much dilithium IMO and with 6 characters I am looking to get a massive dilithium payout & marks payout.
BRING IT ON!.
finally I will say if you don't want to do the event then don't, it is not compulsory.
Meh - all the queues are fun - first 10 times, then it becomes work, then... boring work.
I will do it on one or two toons, but there is no way i will go thorugh it with all my 17 toons...
Edit:
The MI queue does one thing rather well - it raises ship mastery at good speed
Just get rid of the time gate. The mission progresses only after a set number of ships are destroyed and gates are closed. Good teams that work together can finish it in a reasonable period of time, bad teams, or teams with AFKers, will take a looooooong time to finish it, if they ever manage to finish it.
Bingo, the event is now fun and AFKers will either quit going AFK, or just quit playing the event.
I'll do it again for 50K dil. The admiralty card is great to have too if you do a lot of admiralty missions, like I tend to.
I don't see the point in the admiralty card as I already hit the admiralty cap with the cards I have. Its so easy to hit the cap what's the point in yet more admiralty cards? As for dill that become useless years ago. Ended up with another 1 million dill last event and I wasn't even trying to collect it. No idea what to do with it. I use omega to upgrade without dill so dill income is far higher then dill outgoings. Add that with the pointless timegate where you sit around for 5mins with nothing to do in the mission and it makes you wonder why its worth playing the mirror event. The mission is boring due to all the long waits and the reward is terrible.
I think the point of the Admiralty card is that STO has huge number of players who have not been playing forever, have not maxed out everything in the game, and who have almost no Dilithium reserves due to all the Dilithium spending required for rep gear, upgrading etc.
A lot of the people complaining about how the event rewards are so meager sound a lot like if Bill Gates was complaining that a reward is only $1,000,000.00.
Personally I have no problem no big problem with the time gate. It means I'll never run it on all my alts (but I do that for none of the events).
The problem is that the time gate are not filled with activity. A good team ends up sitting idly for minutes in hopes that some few enemies make it out of the gates. If they could find something to fill this time frame with action, and maybe also make it worth your while, it would be far better.
There should be some kind of trigger that if enough enemies are blown u, some optional event occurs - maybe we have to save a freighter from a few mirror ships that dimensionally travelled a bit more remote from the station.
Or maybe they could add a special long interruptable interaction on the station that rewards you with Deuterium Surplus or an upgrade catalyst - that means AFKers probably have no chance to get it because the map doesn't get cleared enough to complete that interaction unmolested.
Meh, short of actually making the mission failable, I doubt anything would get me to waste time with phase 1. It's designed as a wait so wait I will, optional distractions belong where the sun don't shine. Doffing/Admiralty is more useful.
That also means I can do it on all my alts no frustration, because the part of the mirror mission you actually have to play is as short as CCA. At least when the team doesn't waste their time closing the stupid portals.
Seriously, I'm all against AFK players mostly.......but as this even is set up right now, why WOULDNT you just AFK it? No Penalty, and no (significant) difference on the time gate if everything blows up or not, or if all the portals are closed or not? Let's ALL just run it in AFK as protest!
Seriously, I'm all against AFK players mostly.......but as this even is set up right now, why WOULDNT you just AFK it? No Penalty, and no (significant) difference on the time gate if everything blows up or not, or if all the portals are closed or not? Let's ALL just run it in AFK as protest!
Its like the first part of the Voth event. Only 1 player needs to play everyone else may as well sit AFK as it makes no difference.
I'll do it again for 50K dil. The admiralty card is great to have too if you do a lot of admiralty missions, like I tend to.
I don't see the point in the admiralty card as I already hit the admiralty cap with the cards I have. Its so easy to hit the cap what's the point in yet more admiralty cards? As for dill that become useless years ago. Ended up with another 1 million dill last event and I wasn't even trying to collect it. No idea what to do with it. I use omega to upgrade without dill so dill income is far higher then dill outgoings. Add that with the pointless timegate where you sit around for 5mins with nothing to do in the mission and it makes you wonder why its worth playing the mirror event. The mission is boring due to all the long waits and the reward is terrible.
I think the point of the Admiralty card is that STO has huge number of players who have not been playing forever, have not maxed out everything in the game, and who have almost no Dilithium reserves due to all the Dilithium spending required for rep gear, upgrading etc.
A lot of the people complaining about how the event rewards are so meager sound a lot like if Bill Gates was complaining that a reward is only $1,000,000.00.
Those new players with little Dilithium reserves will earn more by doing the none time gated missions. The reward for time put into the Mirror event is extremely poor against the amount of time it takes. The mirror event works out at something like 6 hours rounded for only a low amount of Dilithium and a next to useless card. 6 hours doing other content is far more rewarding and far less boring. What's fun about a mission that has a 15min time gate where nothing you do matters and often has you sitting for 5 minuets waiting for a counter to count down with nothing to do.
Good lord...is there anything this community can't find to complain about.
Don't like the event? don't want the reward? don't do the event, don't get the reward. Simple as that.
Sorry, we were under the impression that the message board was a place to discuss our opinions.
Please post a detailed guideline on how you would like us all to behave and we'll all do our best to conform to your standard of discussion. I'm glad you have at least allowed us to skip the event, that's very generous of you.
Well if you guys can complain then the rest of us can say what we want too.
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The old ones I'd agree. The new (current) one is basically just a countdown to completion, wether or not you actually play the game is irrelevant. Whichis why so many people AFK it - it doesn't matter if you actually shoot MU ships or not, the timer counts down wether you suck or ace it. That's what makes it so painfull. By the time the counter ticks down you can run three other queues on advanced difficulty (KSA, ISA, CCA, heck throw BOSE in the mix) and you get more for your time invested.
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I'd guess the difference is that in ISA or other queues it actually matters what you do. The MU event is literally just a big timegate.
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The moment you realize that ISA/CCA is fun while Mirror is not it suddenly starts to make sense.
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Right, for me most definitely. For you I don’t know but I have this feeling that you like CCA and even ISA much more than Mirror too. I cannot prove it but I really have this strange feeling that ISA is your most favorite map in all of STO.
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I'd say repetition in general kills the content. I mean nobody plays ISA for fun, really, same with CCA. But for all the fun things in STO you need to grind "the stuff", so you take the route that's quickest. There little content in STO that, repeated often enough, is still fun. The MU event has the downside I pointed out, it's simulation of challenging content - even if your team is perfect it doesn't matter at all, there's not even a dialogue line saying "you did good". And for a queue that takes place in a single place doing the same tasks 15 minutes is simply too long.
I for example like the fleet queues a lot because those are still a little bit random and allow for the use of fleet assets (NPC reinforcements, turrets, minefields etc.) to introduce a little bit of strategy to the game. Shame is that it's only normal difficulty and completely outclassed by power creep at this point. But I love the freighter escort mission which is only manageable with a good score if the team splits up and then maybe uses some fleet assets like NPC patrols to help. The rewards however are abysmal, but I still prefer that to the MU event somehow. It's not that annoying...
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You are wrong. Even the activity itself is fun. You know I go jogging from time to time. Nothing special, just a minor workout without much pain involved to get the blood pumping. After it I feel fresh, even relaxed.
What jogging does for my body, ISA in STO does for my mind. It’s nothing special either, still I’m in a better mood, in a more “ready” state afterwards. I did some easy pew pew, something which is relaxing as well. Works Monday, Tuesday... every day.
I don’t think I’m a weirdo when I associate both activities with fun now. It's a matter of peronal taste, thats all. Now if we are talking about golf or mirror event.... eeew, gets me depressed.
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Makes it an even easier decision to skip this horrible excuse for an event. It's not bad to do Mirror once or twice, but a couple weeks of running that, especially on multiple characters, is enough to make me want to set myself on fire and dive off my roof.
I hate Mirror Invasion.
Don't like the event? don't want the reward? don't do the event, don't get the reward. Simple as that.
Yes my statement was wrong, I apologize. I actually made a "nobody..." statement
I get what you are saying, it's a valid point. I guess I just can't imagine having much fun in those after so many years. Sure, as a matter of quasi meditation, why not
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
No need to apologize; I would also not rule out the possibility that I’m a weirdo after all. I mean… I do play the same maps almost each day for over 4 years now.
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The problem is that the time gate are not filled with activity. A good team ends up sitting idly for minutes in hopes that some few enemies make it out of the gates. If they could find something to fill this time frame with action, and maybe also make it worth your while, it would be far better.
There should be some kind of trigger that if enough enemies are blown u, some optional event occurs - maybe we have to save a freighter from a few mirror ships that dimensionally travelled a bit more remote from the station.
Or maybe they could add a special long interruptable interaction on the station that rewards you with Deuterium Surplus or an upgrade catalyst - that means AFKers probably have no chance to get it because the map doesn't get cleared enough to complete that interaction unmolested.
besides the shiny prize has always been of little importance to me and one or two of them have been down right horrible to me though I realise others might like them, I have always been much more interested in the dilithium & marks and only play for that most of the time, you can never get too much dilithium IMO and with 6 characters I am looking to get a massive dilithium payout & marks payout.
BRING IT ON!.
finally I will say if you don't want to do the event then don't, it is not compulsory.
as I also said in the other thread, they never give ships away for these mini events, wait for the next seasonal event for a free ship.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
*looks at procyon V*
*looks at MI*
Well, it did get upgraded. We just call it the Battle of Procyon V now.
I will do it on one or two toons, but there is no way i will go thorugh it with all my 17 toons...
Edit:
The MI queue does one thing rather well - it raises ship mastery at good speed
Bingo, the event is now fun and AFKers will either quit going AFK, or just quit playing the event.
I think the point of the Admiralty card is that STO has huge number of players who have not been playing forever, have not maxed out everything in the game, and who have almost no Dilithium reserves due to all the Dilithium spending required for rep gear, upgrading etc.
A lot of the people complaining about how the event rewards are so meager sound a lot like if Bill Gates was complaining that a reward is only $1,000,000.00.
Meh, short of actually making the mission failable, I doubt anything would get me to waste time with phase 1. It's designed as a wait so wait I will, optional distractions belong where the sun don't shine. Doffing/Admiralty is more useful.
That also means I can do it on all my alts no frustration, because the part of the mirror mission you actually have to play is as short as CCA. At least when the team doesn't waste their time closing the stupid portals.
Its like the first part of the Voth event. Only 1 player needs to play everyone else may as well sit AFK as it makes no difference.
that is NOTHING in todays market...perhaps 2 or years ago could be nice. Today is just NOT worth it at DIL rates.
Sorry, we were under the impression that the message board was a place to discuss our opinions.
Please post a detailed guideline on how you would like us all to behave and we'll all do our best to conform to your standard of discussion. I'm glad you have at least allowed us to skip the event, that's very generous of you.
Of course you can. People should expect differing opinions on a message board. If one is only interested in their own point of view, they can start a blog.