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Veteran gone Noob question: why is the queues dead?
imadude3
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considering that i've played this game since 2012, it is a bit embarresing that i have to ask this: why is it that the queues are dead?
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Fleet Admiral GRIZZ
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The main reason people still run things like ISA and CCA is for Epeen, with a bit of dilithium thrown in. Since everyone runs these to test their DPS, they tend to complete in less than 5 minutes. (Sometimes less than this with a very good group.) As a result, these are considered efficient and lots of people run them for a quick hit of marks/dilithium/epeen.
Not that any of the other maps are "bad" per se they just aren't as straight forward as those maps.
But that was because when they tried to tie STF length to reward gained, players objected and so they changed it back to the flat rate.
Like what about adding Epic Quality Doffs and Admiralty ships as a Rare drop for Advanced or Elite Difficulties, dropped by the final bosses, representing them?
Like a Borg Queen Doff from HGE, or an Iconian Dreadnaught Admiralty Card from Gateway to Grethor Elite? We could even have things like incredibly rare unique ships that drop in boxes. And then we also always have the option of Vanity pets, Vanity costumes etc.
But ultimately each and every single one of the queues MUST have a unique reward that sets them apart from eachother to make them worthwhile to play.
This is something that was proven to work before the Reputation systems came around and ruined everything, people would be playing ALL the Borg STF's and not jus farming ISA over and over again.
No, the sheer amount of rage put forward by players when the Mark XII gear worked like that brought about the current system as it stands. It's not casual friendly.
Not that I disagree, but I don't think the player base is keen to go back to the old ways.
It's a self fulfilling cycle though. Noobs don't learn if the vets hide in private queues.
That isn't the only way for a noob to learn...
Because dilithium is easier to get from other sources that takes less time. The only real reason to run any que is to get the item needed to craft whatever piece of rep gear you want.
In 2012, I agreed with moving them into the rep system because of that. But in this age of bazillion rep/mission reward space sets and the upgrade system, I'd actually support removing the MACO/KHG/Omega sets from the Omega rep and putting them back in the STFs. With 4th piece (warp core/kit frame) drops from Hive.
And various other unique stuff for other queues of course.
There would of course be complaining if they added rare random drops to the queues again, but that doesn't mean anything. People complained when they were removed, too. This is an MMO, people complain about everything.
Talking about the old loot system right? where the item dropped from bosses and you had to trade them in at the MACO place? haha i remember that. Lots of vet players mentioned running STF's for weeks and months and never getting that last item to drop that completed their set. I actually only did normal runs when the loot system was still like that and i remember getting 2 brand new 50's geared up in 3-4 days in full MACO/Borg gear. That was D/E/S, all weapon slots and i think all special gear too like KCB and console...yah the loot system was crazy weird back in the early days.
Also the difference between god and bad Players has increased a lot - not all Players improved since XIV gear became available, but requirements for advanced missions have been raised. IE: it's more unpredictable to pug. You may get 4 Players who do less than 10k damage or 4 Players who do more than 50k dps in your Team. Therefore more Players do private PvEs.
I guess that longer wait times for normal queues means that more Players Play advanced - even if they aren't good enough. Which in turn means that they "ruin" the advanced Queues as Players rather create private ones.
Now I am no "DPS is everything" Player. And I do not like People bullying weaker Players. But I have been in ISAs where 3 teammembers did under 5k damage. I had a few teammates with loads of injuries on their ship - who unsurprisingly underperformed as well.
KDF: 2 tacs, 2 engs, 3 scis
KDF Roms: 3 tacs, 1 eng, 1 scis
FED: 2 tacs, 1 eng, 2 scis
TOS: 1 tac
all on T5 rep (up to temporal)
all have mastered Intel tree (and some more specs Points)
highest DPS: 60.982
I see I touched a nerve with that comment, it was rage and a lot of it was of entitlement but we can agree to disagree on that point.
It's also untrue, you still can get MK XII consoles from Childrens Toys, the other gear was possible, if rare from other sources particularly Kerrat. You also got them from other queues but granted they were the only ones that provided a set bonus and unique powers.
You could however get the Mk X and XI sets practically from running a mission a few times and be an effective contributor.
That was never where the rage was directed though. It was at the indignity of having to suffer through "grinding" in PVE in order to obtain an item, in that particular case it was not for the gear per se, but the costume unlocks that you could only get by completing the ground content properly, which only a few people wanted/knew how to do.
Single players CAN run ISA. It's been done, there are videos of it on Youtube. That's how ridiculous the DPS obsession has become.
That rage came from a subset of players with serious entitlement issues who begrudged more hardcore players any kind of content aimed at them, truly.
The difference between Mk XI and XII sets in stats was so extremely marginal back then that it was inconsequential. Cryptic rightly made provisions so that there were rewards to be had for everyone, from casual players to the hardcore crowd.
What I will say about the old system is that the drop rates could have used a little tweaking, but other than that it was perfect.
I still remember the euphoria I felt when I finally completed my Mk XII Elite Honor Guard set, the joy I felt cannot be put into word.
But this reputation system.... I feel nothing... it's just a glorified store and the queues are "nothing more" than just another glorified currency grind.
A reward is not a reward when you have to pay for it, and the old loot system understood that.