How did we aquire 31st Century ships?

lordgyor

I'm talking in universe, not OOC, I know you buy them from the C Store.

I mean how did the Federation, KDF, and Romulan Republic aquire ships from the 31st Century?

This has been sticking in the back of my head for awhile.

The Paradox and Wells were stolen by the Tholians, who then got them stolen by the Lobi Consortium, and that's how we got them.

The Annorax was gained from the Krenium, the Daemesh was taken in battle against the Nakuhl, and gained via the Lobi Consortium.

So how did the Daniels just hook you up?

How did the 31st Century ships the Temporal Raider, Chronos, and Eternal end up in the ends hands of people from the 31st Century?

Is it odd that 31st Century Starfleet has no problem arming KDF and Romulan Captains who have a history or blowing up and robbing Starfleet ship?

It'd be like America giving Islamic State Nuclear Subs after making peace with them.

starkaos

You seem to be mistaken about something. There is no 31st Century Starfleet. The Klingon Empire, Romulan Republic, and Federation are all part of the Galactic Union or whatever the 31st Century government is called. So Daniels is not Starfleet, but belongs to an organization that was descended from Starfleet.

Also, the 31st Century gave these ships to the 25th Century after the Alpha Quadrant Alliance was formed. So there is no problem with giving these ships to the Romulan Republic and Klingon Empire since they are allies with the Federation.

lordgyor

Its says Starfleet right in right in the description of the Chronos. Whatever Originization rules the 31st Century, it still has a Starfleet.

lordgyor

"When the Temporal Cold War goes hot, Starfleet calls for the power of the Chronos."

I rest my case.

And in what episode did the 31st Century offer the Alliance their ships.

saber1973a

Well, maybe it's just no more "Federation" Starfleet but "Galactic Alliance" (or something other) Starfleet?

lordgyor

Like how Earth's Starfleet became the Federations Starfleet.

I get it.

What is the dang 31st Century government called anyways?

I've been calling them the Alliance assuming its an evolution of the current Alliance, but I actually don't know.

saurializard

You have a Temporal Agent license which you gained for your services for saving the galaxy, so you ask Daniels or any good 31st century dealership for them (except at Qwen's Shipyard Industries, these guys are thieves).

atomicmunkey

I wouldn't go looking too hard into STO cannon. Cryptic screws about with it enough as is.

rattler2

Temporal Shenanigans.

/thread

spacebaronline

The real question is why are they less powerful than a ship from the 23/24/25th century? Like saying a 14th century sail ship could go up against a Uss Aegis class missile warship.

snoggymack22

lordgyor wrote: »

What is the dang 31st Century government called anyways?

Every time I think I know the firm answer to that question, I unlock a cut-scene of Daniels shouting "TIMELINE CHANGE IMMINENT!"

When I know, you'll know.

mustrumridcully0

An interesting question that seems to have no official answer.

I suppose anyone owning one of those Temporal ships has become a Temporal Agent and gottten appropiate temporal equipments. The Molecular Reconstruction ability of Temporal Ships is not just a tool to get some buffs and a neat super-weapon, it might also stand for the ability to adapt the ship capabilities to fit the time it's operating in. When you enter the 23rd century with it, it's no stronger than a typical 23rd century ship, if you enter the 26th century, it's no stronger than that. This might have been the only way to minimize undue temporal alterations. (And we know from the Kelvin Timeline what one barely-scanned modified Mining Vessel from a century in the future can do to technological development.)

snoggymack22 wrote: »

lordgyor wrote: »

What is the dang 31st Century government called anyways?

Every time I think I know the firm answer to that question, I unlock a cut-scene of Daniels shouting "TIMELINE CHANGE IMMINENT!"

When I know, you'll know.

All these imminent timeline changes probably also explain the various STO retcons. The episodes weren't really revamped, there were temporal changes.

That's why we only heard about this mysterious 3rd Borg Dynasty or the Widrab for a short while.

iconians

Iconians.​​

baddmoonrizin

lordgyor wrote: »

Like how Earth's Starfleet became the Federations Starfleet.

I get it.

What is the dang 31st Century government called anyways?

I've been calling them the Alliance assuming its an evolution of the current Alliance, but I actually don't know.

Well, according to Daniels in ST:ENT, it is indeed the Federation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XflgRb2Dxwg

redeyedraven

The better question is: "How did someone from the 31st century possibly think it would be a good idea to share Technology with us primitive 25th-century-throwbacks?"

davefenestrator

saurializard wrote: »

You have a Temporal Agent license which you gained for your services for saving the galaxy, so you ask Daniels or any good 31st century dealership for them (except at Qwen's Shipyard Industries, these guys are thieves).

This almost makes sense . Daniels has messed with Starfleet records to have your TOS captain be a hero of the battle with the borg at Vega, so perhaps he also has made it so (for all your captains) you are flying an "experimental ship design" for combat testing when anyone notices it doesn't match any known Federation / Romulan / KDF ship.

warpangel

The Federation, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Republic did not acqure 31st century starships. Notice none of the NPCs ever fly one.

The Player Character acquired 31st century starships. By being the Chosen One destined to save the universe from all that is evil. And possibly some alternate universes on the side. The 31st century dudes know all that, because in their time it's already happened, so they give us their ships.

davefenestrator

warpangel wrote: »

The Federation, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Republic did not acqure 31st century starships. Notice none of the NPCs ever fly one.

The Player Character acquired 31st century starships. By being the Chosen One destined to save the universe from all that is evil. And possibly some alternate universes on the side. The 31st century dudes know all that, because in their time it's already happened, so they give us their ships.

Plus, as Captain Death, Slayer of Billions, they were afraid of what we'd do to them if they said no

We're The Doctor of our universes: "Run."

salazarraze

lordgyor wrote: »

I'm talking in universe, not OOC, I know you buy them from the C Store.

I mean how did the Federation, KDF, and Romulan Republic aquire ships from the 31st Century?

This has been sticking in the back of my head for awhile.

The Paradox and Wells were stolen by the Tholians, who then got them stolen by the Lobi Consortium, and that's how we got them.

The Annorax was gained from the Krenium, the Daemesh was taken in battle against the Nakuhl, and gained via the Lobi Consortium.

So how did the Daniels just hook you up?

How did the 31st Century ships the Temporal Raider, Chronos, and Eternal end up in the ends hands of people from the 31st Century?

Is it odd that 31st Century Starfleet has no problem arming KDF and Romulan Captains who have a history or blowing up and robbing Starfleet ship?

It'd be like America giving Islamic State Nuclear Subs after making peace with them.

You're completely misunderstanding the way that the story in the game is supposed to work. When you see another player flying around, that's a social aspect of the game. Other players have NOTHING to do with the "story." In the story, the other players don't exist. YOU are the only captain that has access to 31st century ships. Just you, that's it. NPC's are the "other" captains in the game and the entire fleet doesn't have access to these ships. The other players are simply alternate representations of a hypothetical person.

thomaselkins

It's best to remember that some things are done for the sake of being fun. I always assumed that as far as the game's canon is concerned, you would be flying a standard Federation, Klingon or Romulan ship and any alien vessel or future thing you're not supposed to have yet is done for the sake of being fun. It's a game after all and if you want to fly an Undine Bioship you can and if you want to fly a Ferengi Marauder you can. Does it make sense from a canon perspective? No not really, but it's a game and they want you to have fun.

rattler2

thomaselkins wrote: »

It's best to remember that some things are done for the sake of being fun. I always assumed that as far as the game's canon is concerned, you would be flying a standard Federation, Klingon or Romulan ship and any alien vessel or future thing you're not supposed to have yet is done for the sake of being fun. It's a game after all and if you want to fly an Undine Bioship you can and if you want to fly a Ferengi Marauder you can. Does it make sense from a canon perspective? No not really, but it's a game and they want you to have fun.

This is a pretty good assessment of the situation.

sylveriarelden

They traveled back in time from the future, and we acquired said technology.

/thread

teknesia

I thought that was a lingering problem as well. My response? My character did not start out their time traveling experience in the 23rd century, but rather beyond that time frame and beyond Daniels.

seaofsorrows

Here is what I do with stuff like this.

I don't 'RP' with people, but I have a story for my characters in my head, or what people here fondly refer to as 'head cannon.' There are things like this that just don't make sense, like for example, my Federation Admiral is flying a Dreadnought Class cruiser like the U.S.S. Vengeance. Why? Not only is the ship several hundred years old, but it's from an alternate timeline.. why the hell does my admiral have one?

In my case, I just said that in the mission where you go to the 'Kelvin Timeline' there was a point where my crew did a scan of the Yorktown to find out who they were and what was going on. They recovered information on the Federation for their knowledge and to give them an idea of what this 'timeline' was like. This event would have taken place after the incident with Khan and would be on Starfleet record, that's where they learned about the Vengeance. In our timeline, we need something to help protect us from the growing list of enemies always at our door, my guy is an Admiral so why not? Take this design, modernize it and use it to help protect the Federation.. boom.. I'm in a Vengeance.

No, it's not exactly master writing, but it's something to explain why I'm in a several hundred year old ship from another dimension. On things like this, you just have to come up with your own explanation. Cryptic leaves some of the details to the individual, which if you think about it, isn't necessarily bad. I like to have a little freedom to come up with my own stuff.

antonine3258

I always found it interesting that the 'battle of proycon V' in the queue has different help show up from the mission version, when Daniels isn't there.

I wonder if we looted some wreckage home, or possibly some factions from different futures sent something back when Daniels wasn't watching.

markhawkman

Well, I have a character who is a Mirror-Vorta... and I just realized that the Dominion is part of the Galactic Alliance that created these ships. Thus these ships are the closest thing I'll probably ever have to a non-lock box Dominion ship.

davefenestrator

markhawkman wrote: »

Well, I have a character who is a Mirror-Vorta... and I just realized that the Dominion is part of the Galactic Alliance that created these ships. Thus these ships are the closest thing I'll probably ever have to a non-lock box Dominion ship.

I read that as Mirror Horta, but it isn't April again yet so they aren't playable

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warpangel

patrickngo wrote: »

warpangel wrote: »

The Federation, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Republic did not acqure 31st century starships. Notice none of the NPCs ever fly one.

The Player Character acquired 31st century starships. By being the Chosen One destined to save the universe from all that is evil. And possibly some alternate universes on the side. The 31st century dudes know all that, because in their time it's already happened, so they give us their ships.

in which case, nothing your character does, serves any purpose, because there is literally zero percent chance of failure.

There IS literally zero percent chance of failure in the story missions. None of them have any fail conditions whatsoever.

The only losing move is not to play.

fiberteksyfir

What he said, you cant fail story missions. Used to be you could fail one of the breen ones (the one on the defera ship where you play doctor, you could TRIBBLE up the dialog with the breen prisoner) but i believe even thats no longer a thing.

mustrumridcully0

fiberteksyfir wrote: »

What he said, you cant fail story missions. Used to be you could fail one of the breen ones (the one on the defera ship where you play doctor, you could **** up the dialog with the breen prisoner) but i believe even thats no longer a thing.

It still is.