I don't 'RP' with people, but I have a story for my characters in my head, or what people here fondly refer to as 'head cannon.' There are things like this that just don't make sense, like for example, my Federation Admiral is flying a Dreadnought Class cruiser like the U.S.S. Vengeance. Why? Not only is the ship several hundred years old, but it's from an alternate timeline.. why the hell does my admiral have one?
In my case, I just said that in the mission where you go to the 'Kelvin Timeline' there was a point where my crew did a scan of the Yorktown to find out who they were and what was going on. They recovered information on the Federation for their knowledge and to give them an idea of what this 'timeline' was like. This event would have taken place after the incident with Khan and would be on Starfleet record, that's where they learned about the Vengeance. In our timeline, we need something to help protect us from the growing list of enemies always at our door, my guy is an Admiral so why not? Take this design, modernize it and use it to help protect the Federation.. boom.. I'm in a Vengeance.
No, it's not exactly master writing, but it's something to explain why I'm in a several hundred year old ship from another dimension. On things like this, you just have to come up with your own explanation. Cryptic leaves some of the details to the individual, which if you think about it, isn't necessarily bad. I like to have a little freedom to come up with my own stuff.
That's exactly what I did with my Kelvin Connie. In my headcanon, they were the Captain of that vessel originally... but it came through an unstable rift which left most of the systems inert and in need of repair. The Captain is reassigned to Temporal ships (T2-T4), to help them acclimate to 25th century life, then when they reach admiral... they take their old ship back on the basis that they and their Kelvin Timeline crew are the most qualified to fly the ship. That is the story of the U.S.S. Restitution. NCC 1930
Look at what happened during the cold war in history between the Americans and USSR.
Both Superpowers gave advanced weapons and other technology to allies who were in no way technological as advanced as they were, in order to use those nation states as proxies.
In the temporal cold war the enemies of the 31st Century Alliance (what I'm calling them for now), have been arming and aiding the enemies of the Federation, Klingon Empire, and Romulan Republic, so the 31st Century Alliance has been arming proxies like the above mentioned powers in response.
I think there was an episode of TOS were the KDF and the Starfleet did this to different tribes of a technological primative species?
Well now the 31st Century is doing it to the feds, klinks, roms, and other assorted powers and species.
As for why the Temporal Ships aren't super all powerful compared to current ships is that would violate the Temporal Accords. The is a limit to how much more powerful they can make the ships compared to the current time period.
Another question, what does Molecular Reconstruction have to do with time travel/temporal mechanics?
Are they shifting the temporal phase of the ship's molecules or something?
Why does it have to do anything with temporal mechanics? It is just a way to show that the Temporal ships are more advanced than the 25th Century ships.
The better question is: "How did someone from the 31st century possibly think it would be a good idea to share Technology with us primitive 25th-century-throwbacks?"
The better question is: "How is a ship created by primitive 25-century-throwbacks able to damage and destroy a ship created by someone from the 29th Century?" Their technology is supposed to be vastly superior to the 25th Century so it would amount to attacking an Abrams Tank with spears and a loincloth for armor. I can understand that the Temporal ships are stripped of Mk L (Mk 50) weapons, equipment, and consoles when they are given to us, but we shouldn't be able to do anything against ships equipped with Mk L equipment and weapons.
Another question, what does Molecular Reconstruction have to do with time travel/temporal mechanics?
Are they shifting the temporal phase of the ship's molecules or something?
Why does it have to do anything with temporal mechanics? It is just a way to show that the Temporal ships are more advanced than the 25th Century ships.
The better question is: "How did someone from the 31st century possibly think it would be a good idea to share Technology with us primitive 25th-century-throwbacks?"
The better question is: "How is a ship created by primitive 25-century-throwbacks able to damage and destroy a ship created by someone from the 29th Century?" Their technology is supposed to be vastly superior to the 25th Century so it would amount to attacking an Abrams Tank with spears and a loincloth for armor. I can understand that the Temporal ships are stripped of Mk L (Mk 50) weapons, equipment, and consoles when they are given to us, but we shouldn't be able to do anything against ships equipped with Mk L equipment and weapons.
I am not sure an Abrams Tank vs Spears and a Loincloth are the right comparison. It's more Abrams tank against a Medieval Siege Engine. Or someone with a full plate armor and a greatsword against someone with an assault rifle and a bullet proof vest.
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Another question, what does Molecular Reconstruction have to do with time travel/temporal mechanics?
Are they shifting the temporal phase of the ship's molecules or something?
Why does it have to do anything with temporal mechanics? It is just a way to show that the Temporal ships are more advanced than the 25th Century ships.
The better question is: "How did someone from the 31st century possibly think it would be a good idea to share Technology with us primitive 25th-century-throwbacks?"
The better question is: "How is a ship created by primitive 25-century-throwbacks able to damage and destroy a ship created by someone from the 29th Century?" Their technology is supposed to be vastly superior to the 25th Century so it would amount to attacking an Abrams Tank with spears and a loincloth for armor. I can understand that the Temporal ships are stripped of Mk L (Mk 50) weapons, equipment, and consoles when they are given to us, but we shouldn't be able to do anything against ships equipped with Mk L equipment and weapons.
I am not sure an Abrams Tank vs Spears and a Loincloth are the right comparison. It's more Abrams tank against a Medieval Siege Engine. Or someone with a full plate armor and a greatsword against someone with an assault rifle and a bullet proof vest.
A Medieval Siege Engine would be able to do some damage to an Abrams tank and a person in full plate armor and a greatsword would be able to kill someone with an assault rifle and a bullet proof vest. Tactics makes it possible for someone to fight against enemies with better equipment within reason. With the Abrams tank against the guy with the spear and loincloth, the people in the tank would actually have to get out of the tank. There is no level of tactics that a guy with a spear would be able to destroy a tank.
It is the same thing with 29th Century ships vs. 25th Century ships. 29th Century ships have far superior weapons, shields, and cloaks compared to 25th Century ships. They could actually one-shot a Tactical Borg Cube while cloaked without the Cube even realizing that they are dead or that they were under any sort of threat.
With the tank you could use something like a pit or mass of mud or some other way to mess up the treads, then smothering the crew with smoke or a dirt covering -- even if they carry oxygen it's going to be a limited supply.
Helicopters are sometimes brought down by small arms fire, and you could manage that (at a lower rate of fire) with 250-year old powder weapons. Gunpowder rockets date back to the 13th century, 18th century for iron-tipped. Cannon go back to the 12th century.
That, and we are Captain Death. Our weapons are imbued with our aura of destruction and possibly some uptime mods from Daniels and his ilk.
Another question, what does Molecular Reconstruction have to do with time travel/temporal mechanics?
Are they shifting the temporal phase of the ship's molecules or something?
Why does it have to do anything with temporal mechanics? It is just a way to show that the Temporal ships are more advanced than the 25th Century ships.
The better question is: "How did someone from the 31st century possibly think it would be a good idea to share Technology with us primitive 25th-century-throwbacks?"
The better question is: "How is a ship created by primitive 25-century-throwbacks able to damage and destroy a ship created by someone from the 29th Century?" Their technology is supposed to be vastly superior to the 25th Century so it would amount to attacking an Abrams Tank with spears and a loincloth for armor. I can understand that the Temporal ships are stripped of Mk L (Mk 50) weapons, equipment, and consoles when they are given to us, but we shouldn't be able to do anything against ships equipped with Mk L equipment and weapons.
I am not sure an Abrams Tank vs Spears and a Loincloth are the right comparison. It's more Abrams tank against a Medieval Siege Engine. Or someone with a full plate armor and a greatsword against someone with an assault rifle and a bullet proof vest.
A Medieval Siege Engine would be able to do some damage to an Abrams tank and a person in full plate armor and a greatsword would be able to kill someone with an assault rifle and a bullet proof vest. Tactics makes it possible for someone to fight against enemies with better equipment within reason. With the Abrams tank against the guy with the spear and loincloth, the people in the tank would actually have to get out of the tank. There is no level of tactics that a guy with a spear would be able to destroy a tank.
It is the same thing with 29th Century ships vs. 25th Century ships. 29th Century ships have far superior weapons, shields, and cloaks compared to 25th Century ships. They could actually one-shot a Tactical Borg Cube while cloaked without the Cube even realizing that they are dead or that they were under any sort of threat.
One-shotting a cube is not something a 25th century ship finds particularly difficult.
The point of my comparision is that we're "only" talking about 5 centuries of technological advancement. The same as we might have with plate armor vs assault rifle. And from there I follow we must compare things on a similar scale - a Tank is a complex war machine that needs a good deal of engineering, just like a Siege Engine did.
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Man, I sure hope someone finds a way to bring logical consistency to our game of space-warping time-travelling magic-abilitying universe-saving indestructible pixel-captains!
That being said:
Reason 1) Because there are still Ferengi in the 31st century.
Reason 2) It's the Yangs vs the Comms all over again!
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That's exactly what I did with my Kelvin Connie. In my headcanon, they were the Captain of that vessel originally... but it came through an unstable rift which left most of the systems inert and in need of repair. The Captain is reassigned to Temporal ships (T2-T4), to help them acclimate to 25th century life, then when they reach admiral... they take their old ship back on the basis that they and their Kelvin Timeline crew are the most qualified to fly the ship. That is the story of the U.S.S. Restitution. NCC 1930
Because you are a temporal agent, if you stasrted an AoY char.
Your normal chars are basically honorary agents.
Sooo it stands to reason to give the agents proper vessels to do their job.
Look at what happened during the cold war in history between the Americans and USSR.
Both Superpowers gave advanced weapons and other technology to allies who were in no way technological as advanced as they were, in order to use those nation states as proxies.
In the temporal cold war the enemies of the 31st Century Alliance (what I'm calling them for now), have been arming and aiding the enemies of the Federation, Klingon Empire, and Romulan Republic, so the 31st Century Alliance has been arming proxies like the above mentioned powers in response.
I think there was an episode of TOS were the KDF and the Starfleet did this to different tribes of a technological primative species?
Well now the 31st Century is doing it to the feds, klinks, roms, and other assorted powers and species.
As for why the Temporal Ships aren't super all powerful compared to current ships is that would violate the Temporal Accords. The is a limit to how much more powerful they can make the ships compared to the current time period.
Are they shifting the temporal phase of the ship's molecules or something?
Why does it have to do anything with temporal mechanics? It is just a way to show that the Temporal ships are more advanced than the 25th Century ships.
The better question is: "How is a ship created by primitive 25-century-throwbacks able to damage and destroy a ship created by someone from the 29th Century?" Their technology is supposed to be vastly superior to the 25th Century so it would amount to attacking an Abrams Tank with spears and a loincloth for armor. I can understand that the Temporal ships are stripped of Mk L (Mk 50) weapons, equipment, and consoles when they are given to us, but we shouldn't be able to do anything against ships equipped with Mk L equipment and weapons.
A Medieval Siege Engine would be able to do some damage to an Abrams tank and a person in full plate armor and a greatsword would be able to kill someone with an assault rifle and a bullet proof vest. Tactics makes it possible for someone to fight against enemies with better equipment within reason. With the Abrams tank against the guy with the spear and loincloth, the people in the tank would actually have to get out of the tank. There is no level of tactics that a guy with a spear would be able to destroy a tank.
It is the same thing with 29th Century ships vs. 25th Century ships. 29th Century ships have far superior weapons, shields, and cloaks compared to 25th Century ships. They could actually one-shot a Tactical Borg Cube while cloaked without the Cube even realizing that they are dead or that they were under any sort of threat.
Helicopters are sometimes brought down by small arms fire, and you could manage that (at a lower rate of fire) with 250-year old powder weapons. Gunpowder rockets date back to the 13th century, 18th century for iron-tipped. Cannon go back to the 12th century.
That, and we are Captain Death. Our weapons are imbued with our aura of destruction and possibly some uptime mods from Daniels and his ilk.
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One-shotting a cube is not something a 25th century ship finds particularly difficult.
The point of my comparision is that we're "only" talking about 5 centuries of technological advancement. The same as we might have with plate armor vs assault rifle. And from there I follow we must compare things on a similar scale - a Tank is a complex war machine that needs a good deal of engineering, just like a Siege Engine did.
That being said:
Reason 1) Because there are still Ferengi in the 31st century.
Reason 2) It's the Yangs vs the Comms all over again!
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Oh, nice reference.
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