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captkelly31#5645 captkelly31
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Had the Kelvin timeline not made it in, should other projects of Roddenberry have been picked instead? Imagine having a Starfleet ship come across the Andromeda Ascendant, or something.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    no... Stuff like Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda were set in their own universes with their own rules and should not be drug and and battered around so they kinda sorta fit into STO
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  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada
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    kodachikuno wrote: »
    no... Stuff like Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda were set in their own universes with their own rules and should not be drug and and battered around so they kinda sorta fit into STO

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  • captkelly31#5645 captkelly31
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    Probably is better to say no to this even when i made this thread, although elements of it, like the idea of a ship's computer having a holographic "body", could be something a new or existing species in STO could have, seeing as the slipstream isn't that different from Underspace.

    Except color, the latter was yellow wasn't it?
  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    The shows have absolutely nothing to do with Star Trek in the slightest.
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  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    It's still not Star Trek.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Incorrect Alex, Andromeda was originally a Trek concept when Gene first came up with it in the 70s. The Nietzscheans were the descendants of Khan.

    what was once part of the concept is not what it is
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    captkelly31#5645 wrote: »
    Probably is better to say no to this even when i made this thread, although elements of it, like the idea of a ship's computer having a holographic "body", could be something a new or existing species in STO could have, seeing as the slipstream isn't that different from Underspace.

    Except color, the latter was yellow wasn't it?

    Isn't 0718 a human extension of the Enterprises computer?
    According to the "Official Comics" he was created by an alien sphere in the med bay.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    My (limited) understanding of those other works is that the "rules" governing how all the "science" works are completely different, and would directly conflict with each other. I don't think it would really be possible to bring them into a serious Trek depiction, it's something that would really only work in fan fiction.
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  • captkelly31#5645 captkelly31
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    Aside from the Roddenberry 'verse's, I've also mentioned before that STO could have holodeck programs that are parodies of other Cryptic games.

    H.D. programs in general could even be the next bunch of episodes, after Yesterday's War.
  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada
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    whamhammer1 wrote: »
    It's still not Star Trek.

    People still like to argue the things actually labeled "Trek" somehow aren't Star Trek too.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    captkelly31#5645 wrote: »
    Had the Kelvin timeline not made it in, should other projects of Roddenberry have been picked instead? Imagine having a Starfleet ship come across the Andromeda Ascendant, or something.

    umm. one Problem. Andromeda Ascendant as some of us might know it was NOT Roddenberry's idea.
    The Show is based on a different idea from Gene, but just loosely.

    After Star Trek, Gene was producing a few TV-pilots (yup... several incredibly similar-looking ones just with different titles) that featured a man named Dillan Hunt (from the 20th century) who awoke in a weird 23rd century. That is basically what they took as Inspiration for Captain Dillan Hunt of the Andromeda Ascendant, so that's why they had to put Gene Roddenberry into the title. Plus, what azrael said.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    Does anyone have access to the original pilots?
  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Does anyone have access to the original pilots?

    Genesis II, Planet Earth, Strange New World. Search for it.

    Reminder: VERY different from Andromeda.

    Not that I'd say Andromeda was good sci-fi, but there are reasons why Gene tried to make Genesis II air multiple times under different titles... it never evolved beyond the pilots.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,687 Community Moderator
    I wouldn't mind a Force Lance weapon. Could make two version too. Compact would act like a compression pistol, extended could be the rifle variant, and the melee on the extended could use a lirpa slash animation.

    But that's about it. The ships would struggle in a Star Trek setting because of lack of shields and no Slipstream points for FTL travel. They'd be stranded in whatever system they find themselves in.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    Isn't 0718 a human extension of the Enterprises computer?
    According to the "Official Comics" he was created by an alien sphere in the med bay.
    B)

    That would essentially make him somewhat reminiscent of V'Ger's probe. Just that he still serves as a crewmember instead of just looking like one.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    Judging by how much hatred has sprung up around the Teaser for the USS Discovery, it seems people don't like ideas for Trek from Gene's wilder days of the 1970s that never made it onto the screen.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Judging by how much hatred has sprung up around the Teaser for the USS Discovery, it seems people don't like ideas for Trek from Gene's wilder days of the 1970s that never made it onto the screen.

    Ideas, partially. But aside from Trek, his other projects clearly went nowhere until some of them were picked up and re-combined as inspirations for newer sci-fi-shows :disappointed:


    I personally like the arrow-shape of the Discovery (and the original sketches it kinda resembles) though.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    no... Stuff like Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda were set in their own universes with their own rules and should not be drug and and battered around so they kinda sorta fit into STO
    Earth Final Conflict also has a back history radically different. In it the Taelons ARE the only Alien race of any real importance. The Skrill were created by the Taelons as weapons. The Jaridians are, much like Romulans, genetically cousins of the Taelons. Then there's the Atavus, which were the precursor to both races... and something called a Kimera, which was not an Atavus, but shared traits of Taelons and Jaridians. The REALLY amusing part is that the Atavus were originally from Earth although they had spread throughout the galaxy before they split... and they stopped being active on Earth 3 million years before the start of the TV show.
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    When I saw the title I thought we was talking about alt universes of Star Trek. You know, the timeline where the Gal-X was born and stuff like that.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    When I saw the title I thought we was talking about alt universes of Star Trek. You know, the timeline where the Gal-X was born and stuff like that.

    I wouldn't mind visiting the universe that disheveled Captain Riker was from where the Borg had successfully assimilated Earth, could be an interesting one.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Maybe explore the way the timeline would have unfolded if Picard and co hadn't stopped the Borg from assimilating Cochrane. Would the entirety of the future UFP been assimilated one after another? would the Klingons and Romulans suffer the same fate shortly afterwards? What of the Dominion War?
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    Here's the thing, shouldn't ships from the 26th, 29th, and 31st Century all have Temporal Shields, so things like the borg queen going back in time to alter the past, wouldn't effect them anymore then the enterprise allowing a fleet to go back in time and wipe her out?
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Here's the thing, shouldn't ships from the 26th, 29th, and 31st Century all have Temporal Shields, so things like the borg queen going back in time to alter the past, wouldn't effect them anymore then the enterprise allowing a fleet to go back in time and wipe her out?

    They do. But just fire up any old episode of Star Trek and watch those shields fail at rapid rates. Then replay that one STO episode where you help Nog go into a timeline where Romulus is still around, and watch the temporal shields fail, creating pretty much the reason why Noye's such an annoy(e)ing villain!
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    Considering that Star Trek is an advocate of the Many Worlds Theory as proved by the Parallels episode, then any fictional setting can exist in Star Trek. In fact, we have actually had X-men, Doctor Who, Legion of Superheroes, and Planet of the Apes crossovers. Apparently, there is a Green Lantern crossover in the works. So STO could have a D&D, Game of Thrones, Star Wars, X-files, Andromeda, Earth: Final Conflict, or any other fictional setting provided that they get two important things. The desire to actually create such a crossover and the rights from the other IP owner to make the crossover.
  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
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    @thekodanarmada#7342

    There is that, although I wouldn't say certain Star Trek stuff isn't Star Trek stuff, it's just bad Star Trek stuff.
  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
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    @starkaos
    Just because someone can legally, and technically do something, does not mean they SHOULD do something.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    whamhammer1 wrote: »
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    @starkaos
    Just because someone can legally, and technically do something, does not mean they SHOULD do something.

    You don't want to see who is more powerful, Gandalf the White or TOS Enterprise?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,687 Community Moderator
    Planet X was a pretty decent book. The problem was... it was apparently a sequel to a comic book.
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