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  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    Nice to know the Kumari Wing Cannons can now be upgraded, but there is still no info if the Dyson Destroyer vessel's Proton cannons can or will ever be upgradeable. That was one of the things that was asked for since the upgrade system was even announced.

    As for the OUTRAGEOUS Dil prices on the costumes, they can just keep them. If they were 250-800 lobi, then nobody would have cared, but a MILLION OR MORE Dilithium?!?! That is just plain STUPID.

    That would make those outfits the MOST EXPENSIVE ITEM IN STO. They are character bound as well. Lifetime subscriptions are $200-$300 depending if there is a sale. But everything with that is ACCOUNT-WIDE.

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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    2m dil at current prices would currently buy just shy of 5K zen, which equals 50$...10x the price of current c-store uniforms, certainly, but the most expensive item is still an LTS, and this doesn't come close​​
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  • bigblackafricabigblackafrica Member Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    tedgrodzki wrote: »
    Yet again no mention of Romulan BOFF recruitment assignments

    Just want to reiterate this.^^^
    I'm tired of my Romulan crews being made up of Klingons and Naussicans and Humans and... Vulcans. :s

    As for those uniform prices.
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  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    As someone who collects costumes, I was initially excited to see the Release Notes about new uniforms, but if the previously posted pic of the prices is true, then I too have to log a complaint. Those prices are insanely too much for single-character unlocks. Please consider either A) lowing the prices by a factor of 10 (ie MACO being 200k instead of 2M) and/or B) make the purchases account-wide unlocks.

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  • dragonhef01dragonhef01 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
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  • ravenmind1ravenmind1 Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    Ditto what's been said above about the ridiculous pricing & per-character unlock. Insane and insulting.
    Bad Cryptic, no more cash for you.

    Also what about all these dang server disconnects? Did the hamsters all travel back to the 23rd century too?​​
  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    Exclusive is diplomatic way of describing uniforms at such a cost. There are some nice fixes and adds in the patch I will be able to enjoy though. Thanks for those.
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  • qbsneakqbsneak Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    Thats great that these bugs are getting fixed but what about all the constant disconnects that so many people are experiencing?
  • sgtfloydpepper#7911 sgtfloydpepper Member Posts: 1,111 Arc User
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    Thanks, but no thanks. I'm going to pass on your generous offer of dill outfits.

    I knew Cryptic was run by Ferengi, but this is ridiculous...
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  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    Alrighty folks, lets not do the insults/drug references please. You can be mad/annoyed about the price but it doesn't mean the forum rules go out the window.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    daveyny wrote: »
    Wow...
    Even Crazy Eddie would be shocked by those IN-SANE prices.

    Come on Cryptic, put them in the C-Store for a REASONABLE cost.
    I'd pay $5 to $7 bucks each, but there is no way in HELL I'm going to dish out MILLIONS for a One Toon Outfit.

    That's just Pure Unadulterated Greed and kinda rude to boot.
    SMH

    It's chit like this that makes me STOP buying things.

    I agree. I was playing with the thought of putting my temporal character in a movie era costume and ship theme, then I read those uniform actually are in the game now but for a single character unlock for 1 million dil each? Costumes, especially faction ones, belong in the c-store, that's what this thing is for. Those are around 40-50 real life currencies for a single character unlock costume. That's a really bad show right here, Cryptic.

    I understand you want to get dil out of the system, but why not make a TOS fleet asset, a 23c outpost you get via a time portal where 23c items are crafted/sold.​​
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  • itpalgitpalg Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    Yeah, I changed it before you reminded me.

    It still says Z.
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  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    askray wrote: »
    Alrighty folks, lets not do the insults/drug references please. You can be mad/annoyed about the price but it doesn't mean the forum rules go out the window.

    To be quite honest here, after getting DC'd multiple times in one sitting, finding out that costume sets are costing more that a lifetime subscription does, seeing bugs that have been around since the game came out still being ignored, only certain people getting free ships while others get left in the cold for no reason given, and many other issues, you can start to see why players are getting ticked off. It seems that the only way to try and get the devs attention now-a-days is to start throwing insults at them for coming up with some of the dumbest ideas to date.

    Players have been nice and they have expressed their anger. Yet all the players want is transparency. The devs need to stop hiding info. Why are the prices stupidly high? What was the requirements to get a certain ship that other people didn't get? Why aren't certain bugs even being looked at? Something that could settle alot of this is have a dev just do a Q&A thread, and keep that thread permanently open to answer questions players have. That would bring back ALOT of trust from the players.

    Just throwing outfits in the dil store for a million or more doesn't earn trust, it kills it.
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  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    dragnridr wrote: »
    askray wrote: »
    Alrighty folks, lets not do the insults/drug references please. You can be mad/annoyed about the price but it doesn't mean the forum rules go out the window.

    To be quite honest here, after getting DC'd multiple times in one sitting, finding out that costume sets are costing more that a lifetime subscription does, seeing bugs that have been around since the game came out still being ignored, only certain people getting free ships while others get left in the cold for no reason given, and many other issues, you can start to see why players are getting ticked off. It seems that the only way to try and get the devs attention now-a-days is to start throwing insults at them for coming up with some of the dumbest ideas to date.

    Players have been nice and they have expressed their anger. Yet all the players want is transparency. The devs need to stop hiding info. Why are the prices stupidly high? What was the requirements to get a certain ship that other people didn't get? Why aren't certain bugs even being looked at? Something that could settle alot of this is have a dev just do a Q&A thread, and keep that thread permanently open to answer questions players have. That would bring back ALOT of trust from the players.

    Just throwing outfits in the dil store for a million or more doesn't earn trust, it kills it.

    +1 to this...I sincerly though after coming back to STO I'd sub right away, but after seeing the issue it has it kinda killed the will to even do micro transactions in the game..I am a trekie since I was a kid but even that wont override my common sense of subbing to things that are not being fixed especially the major one of the server issues which support convinently blames the players ISP for when it is not..
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  • doublechadoublecha Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    2M Dil for a character uniform, I do not understand who will buy it.
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  • sgtfloydpepper#7911 sgtfloydpepper Member Posts: 1,111 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    dragnridr wrote: »
    askray wrote: »
    Alrighty folks, lets not do the insults/drug references please. You can be mad/annoyed about the price but it doesn't mean the forum rules go out the window.

    To be quite honest here, after getting DC'd multiple times in one sitting, finding out that costume sets are costing more that a lifetime subscription does, seeing bugs that have been around since the game came out still being ignored, only certain people getting free ships while others get left in the cold for no reason given, and many other issues, you can start to see why players are getting ticked off. It seems that the only way to try and get the devs attention now-a-days is to start throwing insults at them for coming up with some of the dumbest ideas to date.

    Players have been nice and they have expressed their anger. Yet all the players want is transparency. The devs need to stop hiding info. Why are the prices stupidly high? What was the requirements to get a certain ship that other people didn't get? Why aren't certain bugs even being looked at? Something that could settle alot of this is have a dev just do a Q&A thread, and keep that thread permanently open to answer questions players have. That would bring back ALOT of trust from the players.

    Just throwing outfits in the dil store for a million or more doesn't earn trust, it kills it.

    Well said. If anyone should feel insulted, it's the players. A 1-2Mil dil sink for a single character unlock is a slap in the face and a great way to further alienate players. As if we weren't fed up enough already. (Pun intended.)
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  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    lol....The day they mention we are disabling the throttling of the servers and removing on-demand patching will be the day I will drink blood wine and make merry in STO..
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  • alexsanderitaalexsanderita Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    Thanks for finally aknowledging the problem with Dilithium Exchange pricing.

    Can't thank you for trying to solve it, wheter it works out or not, in such a shameful way.


    I respect your work and will not insult anybody, but let me call it a shame, becuase it is.

    A costume 10 times the price per character? You must be desperate.


    I knew it was bad when you let people top their personal starbase before new holdings come out. Both should never have happened.

    Fleet system should not have being abused first AND the main element should have been sustained with constant expenses on secondary ones and new projects for the main so that it WOULD NEVER BE FINISHED.

    Adding customization of interior and exterior like all important online games have for their housing systems etc etc.


    THAT was the dilithium sink the game needed and granted players something worth out of their time and money that you developed for,

    and it worked until you decided to pull the plug because the profit margin may have not been higher than 90% anymore and make it another abandoned system,
    the crown jewel of the game systems ever to be abandoned (anyone said DOFFing?).


    Let alone allowing everyone and his dog have a fleet and a starbase and an embassy and a mine and stations etc on his own.


    I knew it was bad and it would end up this way,

    with dilithium sinking gone RIP in this game a bit after being introduced and never to be replaced because nothing can compare,


    and you waiting for tomorrow to think a solution and tomorrow and tomorrow forever

    until you were so desperate to do something like this.


    Something that may not work and if it even works it comes at the price of scamming your clients,

    gaining their rightful rage,

    and have to repeat a few time later

    again and again

    because IT'S NOT THE SOLUTION.


    Want a solution?

    Bring back Fleet system to life, Add customization to Fleet system planets, starbase exterior and interior, with new Vulcan and Cardassian designs, and make it a never ending task like getting new gear.

    Make it a real Guild Housing system, and not a faint copy abandoned in space... then start to think about the Personal one and balance the prices.


    OR keep enraging your playerbase until it ragequits, at least from transactions, which is what matters.
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  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    salvation4 wrote: »
    dragnridr wrote: »
    askray wrote: »
    Alrighty folks, lets not do the insults/drug references please. You can be mad/annoyed about the price but it doesn't mean the forum rules go out the window.

    To be quite honest here, after getting DC'd multiple times in one sitting, finding out that costume sets are costing more that a lifetime subscription does, seeing bugs that have been around since the game came out still being ignored, only certain people getting free ships while others get left in the cold for no reason given, and many other issues, you can start to see why players are getting ticked off. It seems that the only way to try and get the devs attention now-a-days is to start throwing insults at them for coming up with some of the dumbest ideas to date.

    Players have been nice and they have expressed their anger. Yet all the players want is transparency. The devs need to stop hiding info. Why are the prices stupidly high? What was the requirements to get a certain ship that other people didn't get? Why aren't certain bugs even being looked at? Something that could settle alot of this is have a dev just do a Q&A thread, and keep that thread permanently open to answer questions players have. That would bring back ALOT of trust from the players.

    Just throwing outfits in the dil store for a million or more doesn't earn trust, it kills it.

    +1 to this...I sincerly though after coming back to STO I'd sub right away, but after seeing the issue it has it kinda killed the will to even do micro transactions in the game..I am a trekie since I was a kid but even that wont override my common sense of subbing to things that are not being fixed especially the major one of the server issues which support convinently blames the players ISP for when it is not..

    As for the server issues, I have been kicked multiple times in less than an hours play time, and if I complain with a ticket, all they say is check your ISP. Well, if it was my ISP, then why do I hardly ever get kicked from my other MMOs that I play? SWTOR, DCUO, Warframe, Need For Speed, and yes, Scarlet Blade (which I play when I am just tired of STO). In those games i mentioned, NOT ONCE have I been kicked from the server except for unscheduled server maintenance. So the automated responses for getting DC'd that say check your ISP needs to stop, and the company needs to either get better servers or more of them.
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  • alexsanderitaalexsanderita Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    This is what I meant, things like this add to the pile of problems alienating your customers...

    You should have choiced a more systematic approach to solve the dilithium exchange pricing... not the "smart" way.

    There's no shortcut but to introduce dilithium sinks that are consistent in the value-cost relation, like Housings... not this.


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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    So I went to check on Tribble to get those free packs of dil for testing. But they only reward 10,000 at the time and the boxes don't stack. Not even gonna bother to check if the outfits are even good quality on close-up or mix well with other costume pieces.

    Also, bind on pickup so they can't even be sold on the exchange.

    To whoever decided the prices, go home, lock yourself into your room and think of what you did, you meanie.
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  • sanokskyratsanokskyrat Member Posts: 479 Media Corps
    That is alot of Dil i could use on zen. And I would rather a space barbie unlock for the normal store.
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  • sgtfloydpepper#7911 sgtfloydpepper Member Posts: 1,111 Arc User
    dragnridr wrote: »
    salvation4 wrote: »
    dragnridr wrote: »
    askray wrote: »
    Alrighty folks, lets not do the insults/drug references please. You can be mad/annoyed about the price but it doesn't mean the forum rules go out the window.

    To be quite honest here, after getting DC'd multiple times in one sitting, finding out that costume sets are costing more that a lifetime subscription does, seeing bugs that have been around since the game came out still being ignored, only certain people getting free ships while others get left in the cold for no reason given, and many other issues, you can start to see why players are getting ticked off. It seems that the only way to try and get the devs attention now-a-days is to start throwing insults at them for coming up with some of the dumbest ideas to date.

    Players have been nice and they have expressed their anger. Yet all the players want is transparency. The devs need to stop hiding info. Why are the prices stupidly high? What was the requirements to get a certain ship that other people didn't get? Why aren't certain bugs even being looked at? Something that could settle alot of this is have a dev just do a Q&A thread, and keep that thread permanently open to answer questions players have. That would bring back ALOT of trust from the players.

    Just throwing outfits in the dil store for a million or more doesn't earn trust, it kills it.

    +1 to this...I sincerly though after coming back to STO I'd sub right away, but after seeing the issue it has it kinda killed the will to even do micro transactions in the game..I am a trekie since I was a kid but even that wont override my common sense of subbing to things that are not being fixed especially the major one of the server issues which support convinently blames the players ISP for when it is not..

    As for the server issues, I have been kicked multiple times in less than an hours play time, and if I complain with a ticket, all they say is check your ISP. Well, if it was my ISP, then why do I hardly ever get kicked from my other MMOs that I play? SWTOR, DCUO, Warframe, Need For Speed, and yes, Scarlet Blade (which I play when I am just tired of STO). In those games i mentioned, NOT ONCE have I been kicked from the server except for unscheduled server maintenance. So the automated responses for getting DC'd that say check your ISP needs to stop, and the company needs to either get better servers or more of them.

    Sending tickets is absolutely WORTHLESS. The people answering those tickets (assuming they ever respond) have no bloody clue what they're talking about.

    It's not the ISP, it's not a routing issue. It is entirely something in Cryptic's coding or in their server system (be it software or hardware) that is faulty, causing random server issues and disconnects. That they keep ignoring this problem and blaming it on the players is unacceptable. It's that kind of poor customer care that makes me stop spending money on the game. Why waste money on a shotty product, right?
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  • bobrien727bobrien727 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    The "Dil" prices must be a typo, theres no logic in pricing a single uniform piece that much.

    As for the bug fixes, I believe that only the bugs that directly effect the Dev's and other employees of the game, get priority. We are not as important as customers as they are as employess/players. There are performance issues that haven't been addressed yet, like the temporal probe in "Treasure Trading Station", you open and unlock it and before you leave it resets and you have to run back and "investicate" it again to get credit for it. I believe in the Lackey System during the "Hide and Seek" mission that the sound is completely messed up. The items that are supposed to be unlocked, aren't unlocked. These are just a few examples that potential costumers would be turned off by and should be given priority to, not some ship that someone isn't even going to see until T6.

    As for making suggestions..some have good ideas to make the game better and more enjoyable and more customizable, but in order to do those changes they would need to see their customer base increase, and their customer base won't increase as long as they continue having "technical" issues. See the vicious circle? I was this close to jumping on that Life membership sale until the bug issues became so prevalent. That was 2 fixes ago and still the known issues list hasn't changed or it's been shortened with no mention of the fix. Now I'm just a COO/Vice President of a Non-Profit Organization so I may not be qualified to make this observation, but it seems a little risky to invest my money into something that is a great product on the surface but shakey underneath.
  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    dragnridr wrote: »
    salvation4 wrote: »
    dragnridr wrote: »
    askray wrote: »
    Alrighty folks, lets not do the insults/drug references please. You can be mad/annoyed about the price but it doesn't mean the forum rules go out the window.

    To be quite honest here, after getting DC'd multiple times in one sitting, finding out that costume sets are costing more that a lifetime subscription does, seeing bugs that have been around since the game came out still being ignored, only certain people getting free ships while others get left in the cold for no reason given, and many other issues, you can start to see why players are getting ticked off. It seems that the only way to try and get the devs attention now-a-days is to start throwing insults at them for coming up with some of the dumbest ideas to date.

    Players have been nice and they have expressed their anger. Yet all the players want is transparency. The devs need to stop hiding info. Why are the prices stupidly high? What was the requirements to get a certain ship that other people didn't get? Why aren't certain bugs even being looked at? Something that could settle alot of this is have a dev just do a Q&A thread, and keep that thread permanently open to answer questions players have. That would bring back ALOT of trust from the players.

    Just throwing outfits in the dil store for a million or more doesn't earn trust, it kills it.

    +1 to this...I sincerly though after coming back to STO I'd sub right away, but after seeing the issue it has it kinda killed the will to even do micro transactions in the game..I am a trekie since I was a kid but even that wont override my common sense of subbing to things that are not being fixed especially the major one of the server issues which support convinently blames the players ISP for when it is not..

    As for the server issues, I have been kicked multiple times in less than an hours play time, and if I complain with a ticket, all they say is check your ISP. Well, if it was my ISP, then why do I hardly ever get kicked from my other MMOs that I play? SWTOR, DCUO, Warframe, Need For Speed, and yes, Scarlet Blade (which I play when I am just tired of STO). In those games i mentioned, NOT ONCE have I been kicked from the server except for unscheduled server maintenance. So the automated responses for getting DC'd that say check your ISP needs to stop, and the company needs to either get better servers or more of them.

    Sending tickets is absolutely WORTHLESS. The people answering those tickets (assuming they ever respond) have no bloody clue what they're talking about.

    It's not the ISP, it's not a routing issue. It is entirely something in Cryptic's coding or in their server system (be it software or hardware) that is faulty, causing random server issues and disconnects. That they keep ignoring this problem and blaming it on the players is unacceptable. It's that kind of poor customer care that makes me stop spending money on the game. Why waste money on a shotty product, right?


    Well in one of the network threads it was mentioned that it could be a server throttling thing that cryptic is intentionally doing for god knows what reason..Cause after seeing that I asked a couple of networking friends at CM and they said if there is nothing wrong with the end users ISP and the end user can play anything else just fine then the only time that such a thing happens is when the host server (CRYPTIC) throttles the server bandwidth and screws everyone on its player base..Also I then brought up the thing about on-demand patching and I got nothing but a laugh because they said that also is a major hog of resources in game and its better to patch then get in game..I can go on about the discussion but it would be too long..

    SO IF ANYONE FROM CRYPTIC IS REALLYREADING THESE THREADS AND NOT SELECTIVELY READING IT PLEASe KINDLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROBLEM IS ON CRYPTICS SERVERS AND NOT OUR ISP'S..IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF THIS SPECIFIC PROBLEM WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AND NOT DIVERTED AND PUT BACK ON THE PLAYERS ISP"S..
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  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    salvation4 wrote: »
    lol....The day they mention we are disabling the throttling of the servers and removing on-demand patching will be the day I will drink blood wine and make merry in STO..


    You could just turn on demand patching off. That is an option, I have had it off for years now and never get bothered by it.
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  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    To whoever thought up those prices for the dil outfits, thanks for the great joke. I haven't had such a good laugh in a long time. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.....I'll probably laugh every time I open that window.
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