Ok, it's bad for us Klingons/Romulans. Especially Klings, we are missing carriers and science ships, proper tv hair styles and ridges, clothes. But I have to hold hope we will get them.
Off-topic Noob question:
Does anyone know where STF Infected: The Conduit (Elite) is? Trying to get accolades from it. Or do you just change your difficulty in order to qualify in Advance queue?
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Ok, it's bad for us Klingons/Romulans. Especially Klings, we are missing carriers and science ships, proper tv hair styles and ridges, clothes. But I have to hold hope we will get them.
Off-topic Noob question:
Does anyone know where STF Infected: The Conduit (Elite) is? Trying to get accolades from it. Or do you just change your difficulty in order to qualify in Advance queue?
last time I checked crptic removed most of borg elite ques outta game
Storywise, we've already been playing as the Alpha Quadrant Alliance for a long time. The factions are just sets of restrictions now. That's pointless and needs to go away.
So yes, the gameplay should absolutely follow that and have the factions united in gameplay as they are in story.
My favorite leaps of logic whenever this topic comes up is that some people are under the impression that desegregating the factions is somehow perceived as a zero-sum game.
Sharing does not mean taking something away from you.
Cryptic is still going to throw the KDF and RR a bone every once in a while. The chances of getting a T6 science ship for Klingons and Romulans is the exact same with desegregated factions as they are with segregated factions.
Cryptic is not going to spontaneously change their mind with offering more support for the KDF and RR as they currently do, so instead of expecting Cryptic to blink on this, it's probably better to ask ourselves how they could make it easier for the different factions to play with each other, instead of expecting something that isn't going to happen.
True. If anything, a desegregated single market would increase the chances to get a T6 science ship for Klingons and Romulans...simply because having a larger customer base would make them more likely profitable.
Anyone who thinks the minority factions benefit from restricting their purchases to the 15% or whatever the latest stats were on KDF/Romulan toons, fails economics forever. There are more Fed ships, because more people buy Fed ships, because more people are allowed to buy Fed ships.
Some Fed players that refuse to roll anything but Feds want all access to the ships. That way they can push the motion for Feds to all have battle cloak. Thus no more Klingon/Romulan anything anymore and this game is Rebranded as Starfleet Academy Online.
We already get STF cross faction, so I really doubt this is about bringing the community closer.
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last time I checked crptic removed most of borg elite ques outta game
Wow, that sucks. I spent a whole night trying to get it. Thanks Cryptic, and it's been over a year...
"Great men are not peacemakers, Great men are conquerors!" - Captain Archer" "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway #Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Some Fed players that refuse to roll anything but Feds want all access to the ships. That way they can push the motion for Feds to all have battle cloak. Thus no more Klingon/Romulan anything anymore and this game is Rebranded as Starfleet Academy Online.
We already get STF cross faction, so I really doubt this is about bringing the community closer.
This is what the old bitter KDF vet in me is saying as well but hey, it would not be the first time I was wrong.
Wrong, there are more Fed ships because they MAKE more Fed ships then anything else.
Also, any hope for KDF or Romulan ships died when those 31st century cross-faction scows got released.
Moving a storyline along is one thing, showing how the future was SUPPOSE to go another, in-case you forgot the timeline has yet to be resolved until either the na'kuhl stop trying to change things or this 'temporal cold war' TRIBBLE ends.
We are still in the year 2410 until they update the in-game dates so why should we suddenly be acting like we're 600 years into the future?
Besides it took them years to actually move the in-game date one year, why would they suddenly throw it and all our characters into the 31st century?
What possible explanation is there for that?
Because I for one DO NOT want to play a character in some vast galactic happy-family Federation, now or in the 31st century, I would be surprised if I was alone in that sentiment too.
The main problem is that cryptic keep advertising this game as 'multi-faction' when it's actually Fed or the poor neglected scraps from some get-rich-quick idea that they couldn't be bothered to follow through on.
Their laziness when it comes to non-Fed content is the problem.
• Allow KDF and Federation players to team outside of PvE queue stuff/STFs.
• Give KDF players the option to join a federation player fleet, and wiseversa Fed join KDF fleet.
• Grant us access to eachothers locations. (fx. KDF gets access to ESD, Fleet Starbases, Vulcan, etc...)
• Crossfaction Armadas.
"Please, Captain, not in front of the Klingons." Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
Star Trek V: "The Final Frontier"
again, no. because the romulan faction is the best in game: very good ships (even if some of them are ugly), a very good story where we are really involved, we start as a citizen; + personally I like the Romulan mentality (not the xenophobic part of it), I mean use of deceit, treachery, conspiracies, and intelligence. this is really interesting.
+ I don't like this kind of imperalism used by the federation (interference in other cultures etc), and the way of thinking behind that. "everybody should be like us, we are the truth". they come with "good intentions", but finally, it's an outward appearance that hides always the fact they want to uniformize galaxy. (TNG, Voyager)
the title of my main romulan is "free thinker".
Klingons could have been very interesting, but everything turns around their "honor". And, finally they look like idiots. they should have been warriors in the real sense of this word, like were the Mongols. their real purpose should have been conquest, no peace with the feds, possible. finally, they shouldn't join the federation, but they should be defeated, not only by the feds but by a coalition of victims of their conquests (Gorn etc). pew pew for a good reason lol
again, no. because the romulan faction is the best in game: very good ships (even if some of them are ugly), a very good story where we are really involved, we start as a citizen; + personally I like the Romulan mentality (not the xenophobic part of it), I mean use of deceit, treachery, conspiracies, and intelligence. this is really interesting.
+ I don't like this kind of imperalism used by the federation (interference in other cultures etc), and the way of thinking behind that. "everybody should be like us, we are the truth". they come with "good intentions", but finally, it's an outward appearance that hides always the fact they want to uniformize galaxy. (TNG, Voyager)
the title of my main romulan is "free thinker".
Klingons could have been very interesting, but everything turns around their "honor". And, finally they look like idiots. they should have been warriors in the real sense of this word, like were the Mongols. their real purpose should have been conquest, no peace with the feds, possible. finally, they shouldn't join the federation, but they should be defeated, not only by the feds but by a coalition of victims of their conquests (Gorn etc). pew pew for a good reason lol
the romulans are scattered, and from what we can tell are not united but are looking for unity.
The klingons were always (from tos to now) intended to loose the most of their own people in a war, hell before and durring the early stages of TNG the Klingons were even in talks of joining the federation (it was retconned into the peace treaty and cultural exchange for alliance).
No matter how you put it, in Trek, The Federation wins, always wins, and will win in the end. either the Klingons dissolve into the Federation, or they stay a stalwart set of core worlds, forever limited, and culturally dead. the same goes for the Romulans, only in this case, there's even more possibility of the Romulans dissolving into the federation. Since the romulans are not united, and as a republic, they are subject to sway, it is very likely they are going to join the Federation over time.
At this point, I find the way the game is progressing to be very......unrealistic in its goals, if we leap 5 or 6 years to 2416 then we'd probably see the end of the Tal'Shiar, the republic still fractured and weak, and growing needs for the Republic to gain a more stable say in galactic events. because right now even their own military isn't unified. The Klingons lost many in their war with the Iconians, and the Borg, and the Federation, and the Undine, you could say the federation lost just as much, but let's be honest, which of the two factions do you think would be more likely to fight to the bitter end?
With the disolving of the factions into one, we could see the new "Armada Edicts" put into place, where the members of the federation join starfleet using their own vessels, and contribute to standardizing their fleets to conform to a universal pattern. It can also allow the Cardassians to join as a playable race, with ships and all, no half assed faction, just a backstory of its own, a contribution to the federation. etc.
then we could see a possible "galactic exploration" initiative take place, (not much for gameplay right now but we can see it happen eventually) wherein the members of the federation all contribute to the new exploration class ships, and expanding the boarders. new first contact missions, better more evolved patrols, aid the planets etc.
Unifying the factions can allow for far greater dynamics. Hell the federation would change more than it is now, to a new format with the klingons and romulans (and maybe cardassians) at the table.
Good thing it isn't canon then. No way I'd continue to play a soulless Klingon/Romulan with no distinctive qualities. Hell with with the Fed Alliance 3.0, We already have AOY. We don't need more Fed content.
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Good thing it isn't canon then. No way I'd continue to play a soulless Klingon/Romulan with no distinctive qualities. Hell with with the Fed Alliance 3.0, We already have AOY. We don't need more Fed content.
This. I'm sure there is a good few hardline KDF players that would rather leave than to see the creation of the UFP super bloc
It's sad really, that all the "no" side has to offer is "I don't want to see <insert race here> at ESD/Qo'nos," lame nonsense claiming Cryptic would supposedly stop making non-Fed ships if there weren't faction restrictions and threatening to quit if given the option of flying a Fed ship.
I get they don't want to create content that won't be played much (no matter how much of a vicious circle you see that as) but they could make better use of faction specific missions via a FE rerun event. A "Klingon Weekend" where you get special rewards for playing the early KDF story line - combo with a galactic restoration style event that gives server wide rewards the more people play them. That would boost numbers a bit that might give a decent spring board for more. Ditto "Romulan Weekend" of course.
PvP would be very hard to do now we're all chums, but what about a covert war between House Pegh and Section 31 that players could sign on to?
I get they don't want to create content that won't be played much (no matter how much of a vicious circle you see that as) but they could make better use of faction specific missions via a FE rerun event. A "Klingon Weekend" where you get special rewards for playing the early KDF story line - combo with a galactic restoration style event that gives server wide rewards the more people play them. That would boost numbers a bit that might give a decent spring board for more. Ditto "Romulan Weekend" of course.
PvP would be very hard to do now we're all chums, but what about a covert war between House Pegh and Section 31 that players could sign on to?
that.....is REALLY good, but it'd be a costly war from what we can tell. Considering both sides gunning for each other would be catestrophic, and both sides are able to effectively "time travel". or do serious damage.
but it would be interesting.
and now I just remembered a lot of people hate Section 31 with a burning passion.
it's useless, the only real reason it ever existed in the first place was to have a PVP setting, and we're going to be uniting anyway as evidence shown in game.
I understand it'll take time and it's not like the flip of a switch. but ffs, I'm betting sales would go through the roof for the other faction vessels if there were no faction restrictions, same for ship slot sales etc.
I may have wanted strict faction rules in the past, but we're waaaaay past that point now, unless you're going to introduce new weapon, shield, and impulse types for each faction only, then you're not going to have many takers.
I'd rather see the Klingons and Romulans go extinct then ever insult them by seeing them as part of the Federation. And quite frankly, most of us that do play KDF or Rom, can't stand the Federation to begin with.
Maybe it was all a dream but I remember the KDF pretty much running point during the Iconian War? It was a crossfaction content with a KDF focus (how ever small or large it is).
But hey, no one liked the Iconian War so it does not count right?
Well, the Iconians played it smart. They jumped on the biggest threat to their plan first. Which tells you, without the Empire holding the line, the galaxy would be screwed.
it's useless, the only real reason it ever existed in the first place was to have a PVP setting, and we're going to be uniting anyway as evidence shown in game.
I understand it'll take time and it's not like the flip of a switch. but ffs, I'm betting sales would go through the roof for the other faction vessels if there were no faction restrictions, same for ship slot sales etc.
I may have wanted strict faction rules in the past, but we're waaaaay past that point now, unless you're going to introduce new weapon, shield, and impulse types for each faction only, then you're not going to have many takers.
I'd rather see the Klingons and Romulans go extinct then ever insult them by seeing them as part of the Federation. And quite frankly, most of us that do play KDF or Rom, can't stand the Federation to begin with.
keep in mind, with these two empires (now mostly dead) in the Federation, the Federation would be irrevocably altered. the things that disgust many would be no worry anymore.
Maybe it was all a dream but I remember the KDF pretty much running point during the Iconian War? It was a crossfaction content with a KDF focus (how ever small or large it is).
But hey, no one liked the Iconian War so it does not count right?
Well, the Iconians played it smart. They jumped on the biggest threat to their plan first. Which tells you, without the Empire holding the line, the galaxy would be screwed.
also keep in mind, the Klingons were the most likely to sacrifice the majority of their people and ships to do the absolute worst damage to the iconians. in all likelyhood even without the klingons, the galaxy would be alright, just a little bit more of a slow war as opposed to a quick and decisive war.
Maybe it was all a dream but I remember the KDF pretty much running point during the Iconian War? It was a crossfaction content with a KDF focus (how ever small or large it is).
But hey, no one liked the Iconian War so it does not count right?
Well, the Iconians played it smart. They jumped on the biggest threat to their plan first. Which tells you, without the Empire holding the line, the galaxy would be screwed.
The player character was the biggest if not only threat to their plan. All the NPCs ever managed to do against the Iconians is die.
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the Fek ship isn't "new" it's so old it's practically a fossil...
My character Tsin'xing
Mixing the various parts with the other versions tend to have "undesirable" results. They don't match up like they should. It looks bad. Very bad.
Off-topic Noob question:
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last time I checked crptic removed most of borg elite ques outta game
So yes, the gameplay should absolutely follow that and have the factions united in gameplay as they are in story.
True. If anything, a desegregated single market would increase the chances to get a T6 science ship for Klingons and Romulans...simply because having a larger customer base would make them more likely profitable.
Anyone who thinks the minority factions benefit from restricting their purchases to the 15% or whatever the latest stats were on KDF/Romulan toons, fails economics forever. There are more Fed ships, because more people buy Fed ships, because more people are allowed to buy Fed ships.
Crossfaction parties and fleets?
Putting a fed in a b'rel or t'varo?
Playable Romulans in Starfleet uniforms?
We already get STF cross faction, so I really doubt this is about bringing the community closer.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
My character Tsin'xing
All others are faction wannabes. We need a true foe of the federation and the borg has always been a ruthless arch enemy.
This is what the old bitter KDF vet in me is saying as well but hey, it would not be the first time I was wrong.
Also, any hope for KDF or Romulan ships died when those 31st century cross-faction scows got released.
Moving a storyline along is one thing, showing how the future was SUPPOSE to go another, in-case you forgot the timeline has yet to be resolved until either the na'kuhl stop trying to change things or this 'temporal cold war' TRIBBLE ends.
We are still in the year 2410 until they update the in-game dates so why should we suddenly be acting like we're 600 years into the future?
Besides it took them years to actually move the in-game date one year, why would they suddenly throw it and all our characters into the 31st century?
What possible explanation is there for that?
Because I for one DO NOT want to play a character in some vast galactic happy-family Federation, now or in the 31st century, I would be surprised if I was alone in that sentiment too.
The main problem is that cryptic keep advertising this game as 'multi-faction' when it's actually Fed or the poor neglected scraps from some get-rich-quick idea that they couldn't be bothered to follow through on.
Their laziness when it comes to non-Fed content is the problem.
• Allow KDF and Federation players to team outside of PvE queue stuff/STFs.
• Give KDF players the option to join a federation player fleet, and wiseversa Fed join KDF fleet.
• Grant us access to eachothers locations. (fx. KDF gets access to ESD, Fleet Starbases, Vulcan, etc...)
• Crossfaction Armadas.
Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
Star Trek V: "The Final Frontier"
+ I don't like this kind of imperalism used by the federation (interference in other cultures etc), and the way of thinking behind that. "everybody should be like us, we are the truth". they come with "good intentions", but finally, it's an outward appearance that hides always the fact they want to uniformize galaxy. (TNG, Voyager)
the title of my main romulan is "free thinker".
Klingons could have been very interesting, but everything turns around their "honor". And, finally they look like idiots. they should have been warriors in the real sense of this word, like were the Mongols. their real purpose should have been conquest, no peace with the feds, possible. finally, they shouldn't join the federation, but they should be defeated, not only by the feds but by a coalition of victims of their conquests (Gorn etc). pew pew for a good reason lol
the romulans are scattered, and from what we can tell are not united but are looking for unity.
The klingons were always (from tos to now) intended to loose the most of their own people in a war, hell before and durring the early stages of TNG the Klingons were even in talks of joining the federation (it was retconned into the peace treaty and cultural exchange for alliance).
No matter how you put it, in Trek, The Federation wins, always wins, and will win in the end. either the Klingons dissolve into the Federation, or they stay a stalwart set of core worlds, forever limited, and culturally dead. the same goes for the Romulans, only in this case, there's even more possibility of the Romulans dissolving into the federation. Since the romulans are not united, and as a republic, they are subject to sway, it is very likely they are going to join the Federation over time.
At this point, I find the way the game is progressing to be very......unrealistic in its goals, if we leap 5 or 6 years to 2416 then we'd probably see the end of the Tal'Shiar, the republic still fractured and weak, and growing needs for the Republic to gain a more stable say in galactic events. because right now even their own military isn't unified. The Klingons lost many in their war with the Iconians, and the Borg, and the Federation, and the Undine, you could say the federation lost just as much, but let's be honest, which of the two factions do you think would be more likely to fight to the bitter end?
With the disolving of the factions into one, we could see the new "Armada Edicts" put into place, where the members of the federation join starfleet using their own vessels, and contribute to standardizing their fleets to conform to a universal pattern. It can also allow the Cardassians to join as a playable race, with ships and all, no half assed faction, just a backstory of its own, a contribution to the federation. etc.
then we could see a possible "galactic exploration" initiative take place, (not much for gameplay right now but we can see it happen eventually) wherein the members of the federation all contribute to the new exploration class ships, and expanding the boarders. new first contact missions, better more evolved patrols, aid the planets etc.
Unifying the factions can allow for far greater dynamics. Hell the federation would change more than it is now, to a new format with the klingons and romulans (and maybe cardassians) at the table.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
This. I'm sure there is a good few hardline KDF players that would rather leave than to see the creation of the UFP super bloc
PvP would be very hard to do now we're all chums, but what about a covert war between House Pegh and Section 31 that players could sign on to?
that.....is REALLY good, but it'd be a costly war from what we can tell. Considering both sides gunning for each other would be catestrophic, and both sides are able to effectively "time travel". or do serious damage.
but it would be interesting.
and now I just remembered a lot of people hate Section 31 with a burning passion.
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I'd rather see the Klingons and Romulans go extinct then ever insult them by seeing them as part of the Federation. And quite frankly, most of us that do play KDF or Rom, can't stand the Federation to begin with.
Well, the Iconians played it smart. They jumped on the biggest threat to their plan first. Which tells you, without the Empire holding the line, the galaxy would be screwed.
keep in mind, with these two empires (now mostly dead) in the Federation, the Federation would be irrevocably altered. the things that disgust many would be no worry anymore.
also keep in mind, the Klingons were the most likely to sacrifice the majority of their people and ships to do the absolute worst damage to the iconians. in all likelyhood even without the klingons, the galaxy would be alright, just a little bit more of a slow war as opposed to a quick and decisive war.
they were whining for a 2 hanger carrier to counter the vo'quv a lot longer than cloaking.
"I would rather suffer in agony of no T6 Vo'Quv and Science Vessels a thousand times before joining a team with yoooooou!"