Maybe it was all a dream but I remember the KDF pretty much running point during the Iconian War? It was a crossfaction content with a KDF focus (how ever small or large it is).
But hey, no one liked the Iconian War so it does not count right?
was that storyline how useless it was to fight them and kdf running point got a lot of people killed? and by the end the kdf was preaching fed ideals. so failure or future fed. yeah thats lovely, thank you for reminding us of that... and about the kdf/rom AoY storylines... oh wait.
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Feds whining about cloaks, now this. Don't know if I should laugh or pity them.
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And... yeah. That story did feel very everybody-but-the-Feds to me. The focus characters were Tiaru, Sela, the Klingon commander, and the crew of that intelligence battlecruiser. The Federation got their spotlight moments, but it was the Klingons' and Romulans' story.
Feds whining about cloaks, now this. Don't know if I should laugh or pity them.
blame Cryptic, they've put the idea out there for everyone to see.
It's inevitable, hell we all knew eventually the Federation would overtake the Romulans and The klingons would eventually fold into the Federation.
that and the Gal-X being valid drew lines to the future it came from, where the federation has cloaks....oh wait, that's this time period.
and with the destruction of the romulans, really the Treaty is pretty much just a "polite" thing going right now, the romulans can't enforce it.
and we've already been edging to the end of the three factions, it went from 5 bars full faction FED, to 4 bars (two at launch) KDF, to 3.1 bars ROM, now 1 bar AoY (while I like the opportunities AoY offers, it'd have been best as a new career option to get).
at this point, just merging all the factions would make the game a bit more in line with how the game is going.
And... yeah. That story did feel very everybody-but-the-Feds to me. The focus characters were Tiaru, Sela, the Klingon commander, and the crew of that intelligence battlecruiser. The Federation got their spotlight moments, but it was the Klingons' and Romulans' story.
Loosen the faction bindings a bit. Cross faction teaming up would be grand. Not sure about anything else.
Yeah pretty much agreed with this sentiment.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
So basically you want fed expansion 3.0? Don't feds have enough already? Not like it will ever happen (which is relief) But I can't understand people wanting this, just because they can't be bothered rolling something besides Federation. Bah
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That's amusing, considering there have been playable Klinks for Fed forever now.
Unless you're an Ostrich, you're going to encounter one sooner or later
My fed eng is a Klink . In my headcanon the fed side Klingons are much more civilized than their KDF brothers though.
I personally don't like Klingons. I don't totally avoid them, but I don't play one. Gorn and Orions are better.
The presence of Gorn and Orions is why I can't bring myself to play my KDF character
what about fake Orions who are Starfleet aliens?
That doesn't bother me, cause you don't end up with situations where fed Orions are taking about honor and such, or Orions dressed as klingon warriors. Starfleet always had numerous races, so any and all additions are fine in my book, even a Vorta could be explained as a one off or something. But, IMHO, KDF should be klingon and klingon only. Because it's not, I just can't stomach playing my klink toon.
Well...I am not sure about everyone having to give up all their unique social zones and starting missions....
But I doubt the strategy of having my friends scrounge up and dust off seldom used KDF Alts to play with my KDF characters, is making any headway in creating faction growth.....definitely NOT the way to go about making things more fun.
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“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
My favorite leaps of logic whenever this topic comes up is that some people are under the impression that desegregating the factions is somehow perceived as a zero-sum game.
Sharing does not mean taking something away from you.
Cryptic is still going to throw the KDF and RR a bone every once in a while. The chances of getting a T6 science ship for Klingons and Romulans is the exact same with desegregated factions as they are with segregated factions.
Cryptic is not going to spontaneously change their mind with offering more support for the KDF and RR as they currently do, so instead of expecting Cryptic to blink on this, it's probably better to ask ourselves how they could make it easier for the different factions to play with each other, instead of expecting something that isn't going to happen.
We can either work with probable solutions, or we can hope for improbable solutions... or we can go full Khan Noonien Singh and declare our solutions for the Romulans and KDF are tantamount to shouting, "For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"
The Klingons had pretty consistently been the Iconians' high priority target, going back to the Undine infiltrating the Gorn government and declaring war on the Klingons before the launch of the game.
If the Federation is Gondor, the Klingon Empire is Rohan. They're the fractious and untameable cavalry who Sauron wants removed from the chess board before they can get their act together and start kicking tail.
I'll always love the fact that a Klingon warrior's sense of honor was what ended the war, by the way.
Any hope of the KDF or Roms getting any new ships, science or otherwise died when they anounced and released the 31st century ships as cross-faction, they will now point to those ships whenever anyone asks for more KDF or Rom ships and tell you 'there they are get and buy em'.
As for the KDF and Roms being the lead in the Iconian war, that's is utter rubbish, go back and take a good long listen / look as to what they say and how they say it, it'll come off as gung-ho battle nut fed at best or whiny TRIBBLE who refuses to see that SHE is the damn problem most of the time.
The Roms are the only ones with anything faction-unique now, and that's the singularity powers. I doubt that either of them will still have sole claim to the Enhanced Battle Cloak by the end of the year either.
They could easily have added Roms and KDF to this AoY 'expansion', Roms story leading up to getting ganked by the united Gorn and Feds at Cestus, KDF story leading up to getting ganked at Caleb IV by the Feds either before the turn-around, during the boarding action or after the turn-around in that desperate last stand.
Hell with that Cestus and Caleb IV fights they could have revamped and done those as 1-on-1 pvp missions that wouldn't tick until there was a Fed to fight, yeah so your guaranteed to lose but still it was an opportunity that they failed to do, hell, wouldn't surprise me if they failed to even think of / consider it.
I think they should unite them all and leave it be.
1 - PVP is dead. It shows as there hasn't been any new updates for PVP or areas for PVP.
2 - Story is horrible. The story is basically the same on Fed, Romulan, or KDF. By using a copy/paste method. This been a huge fail for STO. Its like they don't even try to make the faction unique with the story.
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They don't have the resources to do three separate deep storylines. We are lucky we got what we have and NO we don't want to become part of Feds. That would infuriate the existing fans of Klingons and Romulans.
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They don't have the resources to do three separate deep storylines. We are lucky we got what we have and NO we don't want to become part of Feds. That would infuriate the existing fans of Klingons and Romulans.
So tired of hearing the old "don't have the resources" excuse. If that's the case then perhaps it's time for them to neglect Fed for a while (like they have the other two factions) and put some major development time and "resources" into KDF and Rom to develop the deeper storylines...
No more excuses. Either they need to do it or just dump it.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
They don't have the resources to do three separate deep storylines. We are lucky we got what we have and NO we don't want to become part of Feds. That would infuriate the existing fans of Klingons and Romulans.
So tired of hearing the old "don't have the resources" excuse. If that's the case then perhaps it's time for them to neglect Fed for a while (like they have the other two factions) and put some major development time and "resources" into KDF and Rom to develop the deeper storylines...
No more excuses. Either they need to do it or just dump it.
So just ***** the rest of us because you have given up? Thanks. We already got cosmetic update from a developer. I'd hardly say they don't care.
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So just ***** the rest of us because you have given up? Thanks. We already got cosmetic update from a developer. I'd hardly say they don't care.
I don't see it as "giving up", I see it as calling them out. No more excuses.
If you're willing to accept mediocrity, then so be it. Not everyone is willing to do so.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
They don't have the resources to do three separate deep storylines. We are lucky we got what we have and NO we don't want to become part of Feds. That would infuriate the existing fans of Klingons and Romulans.
So tired of hearing the old "don't have the resources" excuse. If that's the case then perhaps it's time for them to neglect Fed for a while (like they have the other two factions) and put some major development time and "resources" into KDF and Rom to develop the deeper storylines...
No more excuses. Either they need to do it or just dump it.
If they don't have the resources to be able to support a multi-faction game, then it was a ridiculously poor decision to create a multi-faction game.
They don't have the resources to do three separate deep storylines. We are lucky we got what we have and NO we don't want to become part of Feds. That would infuriate the existing fans of Klingons and Romulans.
So tired of hearing the old "don't have the resources" excuse. If that's the case then perhaps it's time for them to neglect Fed for a while (like they have the other two factions) and put some major development time and "resources" into KDF and Rom to develop the deeper storylines...
No more excuses. Either they need to do it or just dump it.
If they don't have the resources to be able to support a multi-faction game, then it was a ridiculously poor decision to create a multi-faction game.
Everyone's in agreement on this point, and have been since the game was released.
Many have waited for many years to see how things would develop... and aside from meager offerings, there really hasn't been much development to KDF in particular other than the occasional ship release (which has been seriously disproportionate to Fed or even Rom) and that is the core of why people are dissatisfied.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
Due to what I've seen, they don't want a bunch of people to suddenly play KDF.
What few ship releases there are, come out bugged. It's almost a given, at this point. I keep beating the dead horse of "the last four KDF ships don't work as advertised," but it's telling. Will they ever get fixed...ever? History shows that it's unlikely.
The story text just plain doesn't make sense for a KDF (or Romulan) character.
Either they are intentionally making it a chore to play anything but FED, or they're so nonchalant and/or lazy about non-FED content that it seems that way, which is even worse. My assumption is that they put in just enough KDF/ROM content to say that they're making an effort- either to fulfill some kind of contractual obligation, or to continue to market the game as "multi-faction."
And it doesn't take long for a new player to understand that the content is very stacked toward Fed, either.
Being a "free to play" game, continuing to market it as "multi-faction" without actually developing it really isn't doing much to benefit the game nor their pocketbooks. The reality here is that unless something changes it will continue to be mediocre.
So either they need to do something to give the factions a reason to exist- or get rid of the faction system completely and just make it all Fed or some sort of coalition. (or they can continue to do what they have, which is "nothing".)
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
And it doesn't take long for a new player to understand that the content is very stacked toward Fed, either.
Being a "free to play" game, continuing to market it as "multi-faction" without actually developing it really isn't doing much to benefit the game nor their pocketbooks. The reality here is that unless something changes it will continue to be mediocre.
So either they need to do something to give the factions a reason to exist- or get rid of the faction system completely and just make it all Fed or some sort of coalition. (or they can continue to do what they have, which is "nothing".)
There is a coalition but you generally join it around the sphere storyline, earlier if you count Taskforce Omega.,
And it doesn't take long for a new player to understand that the content is very stacked toward Fed, either.
Being a "free to play" game, continuing to market it as "multi-faction" without actually developing it really isn't doing much to benefit the game nor their pocketbooks. The reality here is that unless something changes it will continue to be mediocre.
So either they need to do something to give the factions a reason to exist- or get rid of the faction system completely and just make it all Fed or some sort of coalition. (or they can continue to do what they have, which is "nothing".)
There is a coalition but you generally join it around the sphere storyline, earlier if you count Taskforce Omega.,
Agreed, but said coalition has no real effect on the overall faction system as it exists, no? It's a meaningless storyline choice that has no affect on gameplay henceforth. You don't all of a sudden have cross-faction gameplay available to you, or are suddenly able to visit ESD with a KDF character, etc. (or vice versa)
Basically, the coalition is worthless except in performing a few missions for reputation.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
And it doesn't take long for a new player to understand that the content is very stacked toward Fed, either.
Being a "free to play" game, continuing to market it as "multi-faction" without actually developing it really isn't doing much to benefit the game nor their pocketbooks. The reality here is that unless something changes it will continue to be mediocre.
So either they need to do something to give the factions a reason to exist- or get rid of the faction system completely and just make it all Fed or some sort of coalition. (or they can continue to do what they have, which is "nothing".)
There is a coalition but you generally join it around the sphere storyline, earlier if you count Taskforce Omega.,
Agreed, but said coalition has no real effect on the overall faction system as it exists, no? It's a meaningless storyline choice that has no affect on gameplay henceforth. You don't all of a sudden have cross-faction gameplay available to you, or are suddenly able to visit ESD with a KDF character, etc. (or vice versa)
Basically, the coalition is worthless except in performing a few missions for reputation.
The coalition shows gameplay effects in the dyson ships, the new 29th current ships, and the crossfaction queues. Could be more done? Maybe but it seem like Cryptic thinks that would be more of a headache than it is worth.
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was that storyline how useless it was to fight them and kdf running point got a lot of people killed? and by the end the kdf was preaching fed ideals. so failure or future fed. yeah thats lovely, thank you for reminding us of that... and about the kdf/rom AoY storylines... oh wait.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
My character Tsin'xing
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
And... yeah. That story did feel very everybody-but-the-Feds to me. The focus characters were Tiaru, Sela, the Klingon commander, and the crew of that intelligence battlecruiser. The Federation got their spotlight moments, but it was the Klingons' and Romulans' story.
blame Cryptic, they've put the idea out there for everyone to see.
It's inevitable, hell we all knew eventually the Federation would overtake the Romulans and The klingons would eventually fold into the Federation.
that and the Gal-X being valid drew lines to the future it came from, where the federation has cloaks....oh wait, that's this time period.
and with the destruction of the romulans, really the Treaty is pretty much just a "polite" thing going right now, the romulans can't enforce it.
and we've already been edging to the end of the three factions, it went from 5 bars full faction FED, to 4 bars (two at launch) KDF, to 3.1 bars ROM, now 1 bar AoY (while I like the opportunities AoY offers, it'd have been best as a new career option to get).
at this point, just merging all the factions would make the game a bit more in line with how the game is going.
My character Tsin'xing
Yeah pretty much agreed with this sentiment.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
That doesn't bother me, cause you don't end up with situations where fed Orions are taking about honor and such, or Orions dressed as klingon warriors. Starfleet always had numerous races, so any and all additions are fine in my book, even a Vorta could be explained as a one off or something. But, IMHO, KDF should be klingon and klingon only. Because it's not, I just can't stomach playing my klink toon.
But I doubt the strategy of having my friends scrounge up and dust off seldom used KDF Alts to play with my KDF characters, is making any headway in creating faction growth.....definitely NOT the way to go about making things more fun.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Sharing does not mean taking something away from you.
Cryptic is still going to throw the KDF and RR a bone every once in a while. The chances of getting a T6 science ship for Klingons and Romulans is the exact same with desegregated factions as they are with segregated factions.
Cryptic is not going to spontaneously change their mind with offering more support for the KDF and RR as they currently do, so instead of expecting Cryptic to blink on this, it's probably better to ask ourselves how they could make it easier for the different factions to play with each other, instead of expecting something that isn't going to happen.
We can either work with probable solutions, or we can hope for improbable solutions... or we can go full Khan Noonien Singh and declare our solutions for the Romulans and KDF are tantamount to shouting, "For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"
Because that isn't a solution.
If the Federation is Gondor, the Klingon Empire is Rohan. They're the fractious and untameable cavalry who Sauron wants removed from the chess board before they can get their act together and start kicking tail.
I'll always love the fact that a Klingon warrior's sense of honor was what ended the war, by the way.
As for the KDF and Roms being the lead in the Iconian war, that's is utter rubbish, go back and take a good long listen / look as to what they say and how they say it, it'll come off as gung-ho battle nut fed at best or whiny TRIBBLE who refuses to see that SHE is the damn problem most of the time.
The Roms are the only ones with anything faction-unique now, and that's the singularity powers. I doubt that either of them will still have sole claim to the Enhanced Battle Cloak by the end of the year either.
They could easily have added Roms and KDF to this AoY 'expansion', Roms story leading up to getting ganked by the united Gorn and Feds at Cestus, KDF story leading up to getting ganked at Caleb IV by the Feds either before the turn-around, during the boarding action or after the turn-around in that desperate last stand.
Hell with that Cestus and Caleb IV fights they could have revamped and done those as 1-on-1 pvp missions that wouldn't tick until there was a Fed to fight, yeah so your guaranteed to lose but still it was an opportunity that they failed to do, hell, wouldn't surprise me if they failed to even think of / consider it.
1 - PVP is dead. It shows as there hasn't been any new updates for PVP or areas for PVP.
2 - Story is horrible. The story is basically the same on Fed, Romulan, or KDF. By using a copy/paste method. This been a huge fail for STO. Its like they don't even try to make the faction unique with the story.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
So tired of hearing the old "don't have the resources" excuse. If that's the case then perhaps it's time for them to neglect Fed for a while (like they have the other two factions) and put some major development time and "resources" into KDF and Rom to develop the deeper storylines...
No more excuses. Either they need to do it or just dump it.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
Much like the idea of a "bug fixing" season?
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I don't see it as "giving up", I see it as calling them out. No more excuses.
If you're willing to accept mediocrity, then so be it. Not everyone is willing to do so.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
If they don't have the resources to be able to support a multi-faction game, then it was a ridiculously poor decision to create a multi-faction game.
Everyone's in agreement on this point, and have been since the game was released.
Many have waited for many years to see how things would develop... and aside from meager offerings, there really hasn't been much development to KDF in particular other than the occasional ship release (which has been seriously disproportionate to Fed or even Rom) and that is the core of why people are dissatisfied.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
What few ship releases there are, come out bugged. It's almost a given, at this point. I keep beating the dead horse of "the last four KDF ships don't work as advertised," but it's telling. Will they ever get fixed...ever? History shows that it's unlikely.
The story text just plain doesn't make sense for a KDF (or Romulan) character.
Either they are intentionally making it a chore to play anything but FED, or they're so nonchalant and/or lazy about non-FED content that it seems that way, which is even worse. My assumption is that they put in just enough KDF/ROM content to say that they're making an effort- either to fulfill some kind of contractual obligation, or to continue to market the game as "multi-faction."
Being a "free to play" game, continuing to market it as "multi-faction" without actually developing it really isn't doing much to benefit the game nor their pocketbooks. The reality here is that unless something changes it will continue to be mediocre.
So either they need to do something to give the factions a reason to exist- or get rid of the faction system completely and just make it all Fed or some sort of coalition. (or they can continue to do what they have, which is "nothing".)
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
There is a coalition but you generally join it around the sphere storyline, earlier if you count Taskforce Omega.,
Agreed, but said coalition has no real effect on the overall faction system as it exists, no? It's a meaningless storyline choice that has no affect on gameplay henceforth. You don't all of a sudden have cross-faction gameplay available to you, or are suddenly able to visit ESD with a KDF character, etc. (or vice versa)
Basically, the coalition is worthless except in performing a few missions for reputation.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
The coalition shows gameplay effects in the dyson ships, the new 29th current ships, and the crossfaction queues. Could be more done? Maybe but it seem like Cryptic thinks that would be more of a headache than it is worth.