Please add the Kelvin timeline Klingon "warbird"

mrtrexy

These ships were designed for use in the 2009 movie, in a scene where the Narada was captured by teh Klingons after being disabled by teh Kelvin:






http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Klingon_Warbird

Since they got permission to use things from the first 2 movies can we please get these?

daveyny

I believe that were also seen in Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test.

gaevsprivsman

daveyny wrote: »

I believe that were also seen in Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test.

Yup, the same, and would be cool to have them

goodscotch

Grand!

artan42

Yes. We all want them.​​

vampeiyre

I'm sure we'll get that in Kelvin Lockbox II: The Search For More Money

rattler2

There's certainly enough material for a second lockbox or promo stuff. Kelvin 2 box: Feds get the Kelvin, KDF gets the battlecruiser, Romulans could get an original design AR T'Liss. Uniforms could be Section 31 or Khan's outfit on Qo'nos. Probably Khan's outfit for all three factions. Weapons could be Romulan disruptors from the '09 movie with the Lobi store weapon being Nero's blade thing.

ikonn

That would be a nice upgrade from my T5U Fleet K't'inga. Make it so, Cryptic!

gradii

rattler2 wrote: »

There's certainly enough material for a second lockbox or promo stuff. Kelvin 2 box: Feds get the Kelvin, KDF gets the battlecruiser, Romulans could get an original design AR T'Liss. Uniforms could be Section 31 or Khan's outfit on Qo'nos. Probably Khan's outfit for all three factions. Weapons could be Romulan disruptors from the '09 movie with the Lobi store weapon being Nero's blade thing.

I want leeta's daggers and... Shinzon's blade.

sinn74

mrtrexy#6456 wrote: »

These ships were designed for use in the 2009 movie, in a scene where the Narada was captured by teh Klingons after being disabled by teh Kelvin:






http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Klingon_Warbird

Since they got permission to use things from the first 2 movies can we please get these?

Well, they are smexeh. Moreso than the D4, IMO.

angrytarg

If they get a proper Klingon designation and get rid of the term Warbird which was a acknowledged prodction error in ENT...​​

starkaos

But are they from the Kelvin Universe? If they were supposed to be in the scene with the USS Kelvin, then they existed before Nero changed everything. Which means they should belong in the C-Store rather than a lockbox like the USS Kelvin. Assuming that the USS Kelvin and these Klingon ships existed in the Prime Universe and looked exactly like this.

angrytarg

starkaos wrote: »

But are they from the Kelvin Universe? If they were supposed to be in the scene with the USS Kelvin, then they existed before Nero changed everything. Which means they should belong in the C-Store rather than a lockbox like the USS Kelvin. Assuming that the USS Kelvin and these Klingon ships existed in the Prime Universe and looked exactly like this.

They are from the new movies, so they are KT. All that "before and after" is pointless, everything you see in the three new movies is KT content, discussion about incursions and timelines aside they belong in those movies which are legally their own thing and do not differentiate between supposed continuity canon. The only way red matter and a few other things could be used in STO before was some sort of license deal with a comic company. If those ships find their way to STO they're alternate reality and thus lockbox material.

Not saying Cryptic can't surprise us here, but I think chances are slim.​​

starkaos

angrytarg wrote: »

starkaos wrote: »

But are they from the Kelvin Universe? If they were supposed to be in the scene with the USS Kelvin, then they existed before Nero changed everything. Which means they should belong in the C-Store rather than a lockbox like the USS Kelvin. Assuming that the USS Kelvin and these Klingon ships existed in the Prime Universe and looked exactly like this.

They are from the new movies, so they are KT. All that "before and after" is pointless, everything you see in the three new movies is KT content, discussion about incursions and timelines aside they belong in those movies which are legally their own thing and do not differentiate between supposed continuity canon. The only way red matter and a few other things could be used in STO before was some sort of license deal with a comic company. If those ships find their way to STO they're alternate reality and thus lockbox material.

Not saying Cryptic can't surprise us here, but I think chances are slim.​​

How is it pointless? Lockbox ships and C-Store ships always depend on their origin for how they are obtained except for the 26th Century and 31st Century ships, but I doubt many people will complain that they are C-Store ships rather than Lockbox ships. The Jellyfish and Narada are mentioned in the Path to 2409 so they are definitely not Kelvin Universe ships, but are 24th Century STO Universe ships. The Narada would belong in a lockbox because it is a Tal Shiar Adapted ship not because it was in the new Star Trek movies. The Narada, Jellyfish, and maybe the USS Kelvin and Klingon Warbird are not KT content since they didn't originate from the Kelvin Universe. They could be classified as Paramount content, but KT content only refers to content from the Kelvin Universe not content from another reality.

As for the USS Kelvin and Klingon Warship, that depends on if identical counterparts existed in the Prime Universe. If they existed in the Prime Universe, then they are not alternate reality and thus C-Store material.

angrytarg

Canon continuity is irrelevant, which works the ships had is relevant. KT ships are lockbox because they're supposed to be "rare", not widely available just like alien ships. And that's because they are part of a different license deal as far as I know.​​

goodscotch

Regardless of how they might introduce this battlecruiser, C-Store or lockbox, I'd really like to see it happen. Many Klingon players have been waiting for a T6 K'tinga and Vor'cha for quite some time. This would make a really nice T6 K'tinga.

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

If they get a proper Klingon designation and get rid of the term Warbird which was a acknowledged prodction error in ENT...

Only if the Klingons stop using the term 'Bird of Prey' a term they claim through a budget decision.

starkaos wrote: »

But are they from the Kelvin Universe? If they were supposed to be in the scene with the USS Kelvin, then they existed before Nero changed everything. Which means they should belong in the C-Store rather than a lockbox like the USS Kelvin. Assuming that the USS Kelvin and these Klingon ships existed in the Prime Universe and looked exactly like this.

They appeared twice. Once in the simulation (the Kobayashi Maru uses Kelvin components so it is contemporaneous with it most likely?) and once in a deleted scene where the Nerada destroys 47 of them (that's the transmission Uhura picked up in the film).

There's no hint on their origin, whether they predate the Kelvin incident or not.

starkaos wrote: »

How is it pointless? Lockbox ships and C-Store ships always depend on their origin for how they are obtained except for the 26th Century and 31st Century ships, but I doubt many people will complain that they are C-Store ships rather than Lockbox ships. The Jellyfish and Narada are mentioned in the Path to 2409 so they are definitely not Kelvin Universe ships, but are 24th Century STO Universe ships. The Narada would belong in a lockbox because it is a Tal Shiar Adapted ship not because it was in the new Star Trek movies. The Narada, Jellyfish, and maybe the USS Kelvin and Klingon Warbird are not KT content since they didn't originate from the Kelvin Universe. They could be classified as Paramount content, but KT content only refers to content from the Kelvin Universe not content from another reality.

As for the USS Kelvin and Klingon Warship, that depends on if identical counterparts existed in the Prime Universe. If they existed in the Prime Universe, then they are not alternate reality and thus C-Store material.

The Kelvin Timeline is the name or the entirety of the Paramount owned Star Trek as well as the specifics of the Kelvin incident. It's confusing and silly and would have been better served by just calling it The Alternate Reality or something.
But Targ is correct. All of Paramount's material is not covered in Cryptic's license, none of it, the Kelvin, KonstiTution, D4, Warbird. The only exceptions are things that appeared in the joint CBS/Paramount comic 'Countdown'.

Nerada, Red Matter, Nero's tattoo and weapon, Nero's crew's clothes and weapons, Jellyfish as well as Hobus and the Vault.​​

age03

Kelvin is a ship not a timeline.Kelvins are from Andromeda I guess no one watched that episode.

goodscotch

darthmeow504 wrote: »

It looks like a modern update of the K'Tinga in the same way the K'Tinga itself was an update of the classic D7. It goes perfectly with the Exeter which is of course an update of the Constitution Refit which was an update of the original Constitution. I would love to see these ships at T6, perhaps called "Light Cruiser" class vessels.

One can argue all they like that these ships are "outdated", but what they are is solid, proven and reliable designs that can be continued in a different role. As Naval doctrine says, the heavy cruiser of today is the light cruiser of tomorrow. I can see these designs as the Starfleet equivalent of the B-52, a design that was supposed to be phased out time and again but proved so good at their job that they keep getting updated instead.​​

Yup. Light Cruiser or Fast Attack Cruiser. Crew complement - 350 - 400. Able to transport 200 Klingon Marines aboard for a short time. Easy to build. Tested design. Modern power conduits and systems allow easy upgrades to weapons, shields, propulsion. This upgrade might be debated in the High Council, but it would meet and satisfy immediate Empire demands.

breadandcircuses

crashdragon wrote: »

goodscotch wrote: »

Regardless of how they might introduce this battlecruiser, C-Store or lockbox, I'd really like to see it happen. Many Klingon players have been waiting for a T6 K'tinga and Vor'cha for quite some time. This would make a really nice T6 K'tinga.

Yeah, a real canon T6 Vor'cha....not some JJcrap flying septic tank. ​​

I dunno, compared to the KT Constitution and D4x, that design looks quite a bit closer to its origins. Honestly, it's a much more subtle variation on Prime Universe ship design than I'd expect of the KT. Overall, I could see it sharing parts/skins with the current Prime Universe designs quite nicely...

...depending on scaling of course; the KT has a tendency to change its mind about how large things are, so it could just be gigantic and crewed by giants walking though giant corridors.