Nothing wrong with them making new factions like the TOS faction so long as they do not keep moving everybody into the Federation. If they did a cardie/dominion faction then maybe they can end up 'forcibly' going kdf to bring up our sides population a bit more.
Why do you think that there will be a faction that is both Cardassian AND Dominion instead of two separate factions...?
Wouldn't necessarily have to be. I'd be fine with one or the other. However, if I were the one calling the shots, I'd make a Dominion faction that pulls the Cardassians back into it, so we'd end up with both.
I'd be fine with any faction addition, in whatever form they take. This is the only STO MMO there is, so I'm all for making the most of it.
If they say they can't maintain multiple independent factions, I'm inclined to believe them.
I wonder what game does - don't most games end up releasing faction-agnostic stories (if they had factions to begin with?) I figure WoW might be the most likely candidate not to have done so, but as I understand, even there they did it. SWTOR has moved into a new faction-agnostic storyline, too. (And they started out pretty ambitious - with faction and class stories and companions stories, most of that has been condensed now. I am sure one day I'll take a look at it.. If I can get over the gameplay.)
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vorta may not fight, but founders...they have been shown fighting several times in STO, most of them against the player (the only instance where one wasn't was facility 4028, where the female changeling was fighting on our side)
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Not that it'll make a blind bit of difference to me, but I am of the belief that they shouldn't do any more factions. There surely can't be much call for it anymore, not with all the alien ships we've got flying around. Moving forward, it would (I think) benefit Cryptic to merge their existing factions into one giant faction, only with a slight differ in introduction (between being Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian etc).
I've said this before, but not in a while; Cardassians (and any other species to follow) should simply be added to the C-Store as purchasable bundles; the species token, some species-specific boffs, some species-specific clothing, and some species-specific ships for endgame use. The whole concept of more factions (or putting extensive work into the KDF/Republic) is pointless now; it's just not profitable.
Sometimes I just don't know what planet Geko is on.
LoR had 24 unique missions (including a tutorial) from level 1-30, ships and uniforms.
ToS has 6 unique tutorial missions from 1-10, and a sector block that you can't return to once you've completed the tutorial.
Nothing else is unique to the faction, as it is just an alternative starting area for normal Fed characters.
If this is all you're capable of doing in creating a "new" faction, I would rather you forget it and concentrate on the KDF and Romulan factions you already neglect..
It is kind of sad when you think about it, as we went from LoR being one of the best things to happen to this game, to AoY being possibly the worst..
I would have loved to have seen the major factions get full and equal development. But having seen the history of the game, that's wishful thinking.
The news is nothing that we don't already know by anyone that's been with this game long enough. The Romulans aren't even a truly independent faction. The Romulans! Cryptic won't even fill the ship gaps for the KDF & Roms, and they gave up doing faction specific missions when LOR released in Summer 2013. It doesn't surprise me that even *IF* more "factions" are added, they will receive even less attention than the KDF & Romulans.
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I am jsut saying cryptic needs to pick up the ball and round out the factions they already have before they even think of adding more. imagine if they did level the playing field for the kdf and roms. the game would be better off and the kdf and roms would have a more stable playerbase. i can also say that as a kdf player i have spent more money on cstore kdf ships than i would have ever spend on fed ships had i played a fed. There are probobally a lot more people that do the same thing.
I've spent SO much more on KDF and Republic ships than I have on Federation. I'll happily confess that part of my interest in seeing the factions merged is about being on the faction that isn't neglected, while keeping the ships I own for Admiralty missions.
While I look at this with a bit of an angry face from a player point of view Trying to look at it from Cryptics point a view and it seems legit. They have a small team, limited resources, deadlines, quotas and revenue points to meet. What helps them make the game as fun as possible while meeting all those demands? Well, something like what Geko said. I have to say that Geko has said some things that I don't like. His comments a while back on Groundzones " they are too expensive!" seem ridiculous when you look at them now and see that they have placed arguable one of the most wanted ships in Star Trek lore ( or at least a version of it) in one their damn " luckboxes ".
I just don't understand WHY they don't utilize assets that are already in the damn game! Nimbus III for example,,, a beautiful map that is level 25? COME ON!!!!! During the Iconian war Arc they could have had an event, or even a Que where the Iconians invade nimbus looking for some sacred artifact or something, and we have to stop them. I cant believe THAT would have been " too expensive".
I don't like the amount of control over the game that Geko seems to have. This game has producers and an executive producer, so why are we always hearing this sort of stuff from the " lead ship designer". Something doesn't seem right.
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"Yes we will probably do new factions in the future - not any time soon - but I am certain that we will explore other factions in the future, but no, they will probably, uh, it is extremely unlikely that we will do standalone factions that are their own thing. It's just way too expensive, it splits up the player base way too much. We would never be able to make enough content for it, we'd never be able to catch up. Inevitably what we'd have to do is what we end up having to do for the Klingons where at some point you just end up doing the same content that the other factions do but we have alternate dialog a little bit for them."
"Because we just can't make enough content. We've already got a situation where a small percentage of the population play Klingon and a small percentage play Romulan and a large percentage play Federation. If we throw in another faction, whatever that faction might be, would be splitting it up even more. And then I have to build all the ships for them. So right now we build ships, we have to build each one of those for each faction but inevitably build more for Federation because a lot more people play that. Well if I have another faction how am I going to support that faction with starships? It's completely and utterly unsustainable. So any new faction that joins the game in the future would have their own kind of personal experience, but then at some point will join back in to the existing factions."
"Legacy of Romulus is the same sort of thing. You start out as a Romulan, and you have your own personal Romulan story, your Romulan ships, and then you pick allegience to one of the primary factions."
"So if we did Cardassians it might be something like that. Whatever faction that might be. There's a good handful of species we might leverage."
"I've hinted at things like, oh we might do Cardassians, we might do Borg, we might do Jem'hadar. Now maybe we'll do Kelvin Timeline faction. I don't know. All those things are certain realistic possibilities. Maybe we'll do a Ferengi one. Those are all realistic. Those are the ones that make most sense to leverage. Would we do a separate Bajoran faction? Probably not, we just have them rolled into Federation, would we do a Hierarchy faction? Kobali? Probably not, it's not going to be all that attractive to a large number of people. But if we do them we will look for things that are really attractive to people, where people say 'I really want to see what that experience is like.' But it won't always be new factions, Delta Rising wasn't a new faction."
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What I'm getting from this is: Cryptic's leash is pretty short, period. They are given a budget to work with, chances are it isn't the budget they would have wanted, (It's probably smaller).
Cryptic is a studio full of artists, who wish to see their vision of their art brought to fruition and to life as it were in the game, but PWE is the governing management type, who tells these artists, what to work on next.
Therefore Cryptic is mandated to spend the most amount of time, workin on things that PWE thinks will bring in the biggest influx of cashy money, or in other words, they do what PWE tells them to do.
Now I have no idea what their game data tells them: But to me a lot of the choices they make reflect this, (the choice of putting some of the most desired iconic ships into lotoboxes and development pack games-o-chance, instead of the c store.)
Sure these iconic sought after ships are a guaranteed sell in the C store, those are likely to end up in lotoboxes, because they represent a bigger draw and they tend to make a TRIBBLE-ton of money on them in lotoboxes, then if we bought them straight out.
On the other hand: Cryptic's own designs, interpretations of popular iconic ships, tend to be put in the C store, but only after a close review on whether they think they will sell. I'm sure they have meetings where they decide what ship, from what faction to add on the work list next.
I can't speak to what their data shows: And I have zero desire to TRIBBLE off ANY players from ANY faction, BUT if their data shows they stand to make lots more money, and draw in more new players, focusing on stuffs for Feds, then that's what they are gonna do, rather than take the chance of building up a smaller faction.
That's not maybe what you, me, or player-Joe the whale would want.
I personally wish the Trek Universe was truly fully fleshed out, (where you could play whatever race YOU WANTED), WHAT A GAME THAT WOULD BE! But, THAT game, would probably have to be primarily PVP oriented, cause they wouldn't have time to develop much of anything else, the Star Trek universe is just that big and goes into that much depth. The IP HAS, been around for 50 years, five shows, eleven movies, one cartoon and hundreds if not thousands of books, after all. Disclaimer: I'm sure I've missed something in that previous sentence, so forgive me.
There's what we want, then there's the REALITY of the situation, and reality is, as they say, a TRIBBLE.
I think any well adjusted adult can understand that. Note I did not say LIKE, I said "understand".
It's just a matter of logistics, they just don't have the hours to create EVERYONE'S dream game, they're probably pulling extra duty on other titles too, like Neverwinter, or maybe even other PWE titles Cryptic didn't develop too.
Now having said that:
I'm really sad the KT ships ended up in the lotobox, but I understand why they did. I don't like it, not at all, but I understand it and may even part take in the event too, despite my disappointment and unhappiness over it.
I would have preferred the Cardies as the next faction, but I think AOY was cool too, not that would have been my first choice, or even my second. BUT COOL TOO ! so I bought the pack. I don't wanna miss out on the fun and hey, I'm not takin any trips this year, so I splurged despite it all.
I think that Cryptic really messed this up from the start. The way it should have always been was 2 factions. One Federation faction and another Mega Alliance to counter it. Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians would have been a good start. Then you'd be more likely to have a more even player split and could develop individual race starting stories for the "alliance" races that all roll into a common endgame alliance story line. There would also be more balance because there's always going to be tons of story and ship content (from the shows and films) to draw on for the federation. Combining all the "bad guy" races into an alliance would be a nice way to counter the Federation. By pooling them all together they'd probably be able to hold their own against the Federation, content wise.
True, but that's not really STAR TREK though, the Federation, against EVERYONE else. That would make the Federation the bad guy in a sense, and MAYBE CBS didn't/wouldn't want it played out like that, being the keeper of the IP and all.
Nothing wrong with them making new factions like the TOS faction so long as they do not keep moving everybody into the Federation. If they did a cardie/dominion faction then maybe they can end up 'forcibly' going kdf to bring up our sides population a bit more.
Doubt it. From a business point of view that would make no sense. Players forced that way are more likely to just not play the faction, rather than be forced to play something they don't want.
It is not likely to increase the faction size. It is more likely just cause less people to try the new faction.
I don't like the amount of control over the game that Geko seems to have. This game has producers and an executive producer, so why are we always hearing this sort of stuff from the " lead ship designer". Something doesn't seem right.
I don't like the amount of control over the game that Geko seems to have. This game has producers and an executive producer, so why are we always hearing this sort of stuff from the " lead ship designer". Something doesn't seem right.
All of us feel that way.
I suspect that mr chaos doesn't actually understand the command structure that the devs use...
vorta may not fight, but founders...they have been shown fighting several times in STO, most of them against the player (the only instance where one wasn't was facility 4028, where the female changeling was fighting on our side)
Enh, the difference is whether they have combat training, not if they're capable of it. Eraun doesn't know how to use a Polaron rifle. But he could learn if he wanted to.
Cardassians/Dominion should have been the next faction, instead they played to the TOS fans, and to a lesser extent the Kelvin Timeline fans.
I'm having a hard time finding a reason to care about AoY honestly, so far has the least to interest me.
This season was better, we got some Terran Empire episodes, we got new Terran Empire ships, DS9 action, the Jupiter Carrier, the Kor, the Valiant, ect..., and some other cool stuff, but AoY, the federation faction 2.0, I really don't want to level up a new toon at all, so I'm left wondering what's in AoY for the rest of us who aren't interested in the TOS turtorial.
All I can see is the faction neutral Temperal 31st century ships, and the Temperal Specialization which I don't find all that exciting honestly.
To be honest the feature episodes rerun is more interesting to me then AoY.
Oh I do like that the KDF is getting a second T6 BoP, even if its a lockbox ship, because that's 1 more BoP for the KDF then I was expecting, BoPs are harder to fly for those that don't know how to fly them.
Although that 31st century raider feels like a faction neutral BoP to me.
Oh I do like that the KDF is getting a second T6 BoP, even if its a lockbox ship, because that's 1 more BoP for the KDF then I was expecting, BoPs are harder to fly for those that don't know how to fly them.
Although that 31st century raider feels like a faction neutral BoP to me.
it is a bop. all uni battle cloak 4 fore 2 rear weapons raider flanking it's a bop alright and yet another kdf thing moved to the feds... what actually is left at this point? is there anything left besides enhanced bettlecloak?
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I wonder what game does - don't most games end up releasing faction-agnostic stories (if they had factions to begin with?) I figure WoW might be the most likely candidate not to have done so, but as I understand, even there they did it. SWTOR has moved into a new faction-agnostic storyline, too. (And they started out pretty ambitious - with faction and class stories and companions stories, most of that has been condensed now. I am sure one day I'll take a look at it.. If I can get over the gameplay.)
Guild wars 2 does the same, with 5 races, 3 orders, and a number of background option that effect the early game content, only for everyone to come together about midway through the game into one alliance, and that alliance continues on into the expansion.
Even WoW has only achieved what it has because it makes so much cash.
I never said that. You've misquoted me.
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Wouldn't necessarily have to be. I'd be fine with one or the other. However, if I were the one calling the shots, I'd make a Dominion faction that pulls the Cardassians back into it, so we'd end up with both.
I'd be fine with any faction addition, in whatever form they take. This is the only STO MMO there is, so I'm all for making the most of it.
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I've said this before, but not in a while; Cardassians (and any other species to follow) should simply be added to the C-Store as purchasable bundles; the species token, some species-specific boffs, some species-specific clothing, and some species-specific ships for endgame use. The whole concept of more factions (or putting extensive work into the KDF/Republic) is pointless now; it's just not profitable.
LoR had 24 unique missions (including a tutorial) from level 1-30, ships and uniforms.
ToS has 6 unique tutorial missions from 1-10, and a sector block that you can't return to once you've completed the tutorial.
Nothing else is unique to the faction, as it is just an alternative starting area for normal Fed characters.
If this is all you're capable of doing in creating a "new" faction, I would rather you forget it and concentrate on the KDF and Romulan factions you already neglect..
It is kind of sad when you think about it, as we went from LoR being one of the best things to happen to this game, to AoY being possibly the worst..
The news is nothing that we don't already know by anyone that's been with this game long enough. The Romulans aren't even a truly independent faction. The Romulans! Cryptic won't even fill the ship gaps for the KDF & Roms, and they gave up doing faction specific missions when LOR released in Summer 2013. It doesn't surprise me that even *IF* more "factions" are added, they will receive even less attention than the KDF & Romulans.
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I had a crush on her, is that weird?
I just don't understand WHY they don't utilize assets that are already in the damn game! Nimbus III for example,,, a beautiful map that is level 25? COME ON!!!!! During the Iconian war Arc they could have had an event, or even a Que where the Iconians invade nimbus looking for some sacred artifact or something, and we have to stop them. I cant believe THAT would have been " too expensive".
I don't like the amount of control over the game that Geko seems to have. This game has producers and an executive producer, so why are we always hearing this sort of stuff from the " lead ship designer". Something doesn't seem right.
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What I'm getting from this is: Cryptic's leash is pretty short, period. They are given a budget to work with, chances are it isn't the budget they would have wanted, (It's probably smaller).
Cryptic is a studio full of artists, who wish to see their vision of their art brought to fruition and to life as it were in the game, but PWE is the governing management type, who tells these artists, what to work on next.
Therefore Cryptic is mandated to spend the most amount of time, workin on things that PWE thinks will bring in the biggest influx of cashy money, or in other words, they do what PWE tells them to do.
Now I have no idea what their game data tells them: But to me a lot of the choices they make reflect this, (the choice of putting some of the most desired iconic ships into lotoboxes and development pack games-o-chance, instead of the c store.)
Sure these iconic sought after ships are a guaranteed sell in the C store, those are likely to end up in lotoboxes, because they represent a bigger draw and they tend to make a TRIBBLE-ton of money on them in lotoboxes, then if we bought them straight out.
On the other hand: Cryptic's own designs, interpretations of popular iconic ships, tend to be put in the C store, but only after a close review on whether they think they will sell. I'm sure they have meetings where they decide what ship, from what faction to add on the work list next.
I can't speak to what their data shows: And I have zero desire to TRIBBLE off ANY players from ANY faction, BUT if their data shows they stand to make lots more money, and draw in more new players, focusing on stuffs for Feds, then that's what they are gonna do, rather than take the chance of building up a smaller faction.
That's not maybe what you, me, or player-Joe the whale would want.
I personally wish the Trek Universe was truly fully fleshed out, (where you could play whatever race YOU WANTED), WHAT A GAME THAT WOULD BE! But, THAT game, would probably have to be primarily PVP oriented, cause they wouldn't have time to develop much of anything else, the Star Trek universe is just that big and goes into that much depth. The IP HAS, been around for 50 years, five shows, eleven movies, one cartoon and hundreds if not thousands of books, after all. Disclaimer: I'm sure I've missed something in that previous sentence, so forgive me.
There's what we want, then there's the REALITY of the situation, and reality is, as they say, a TRIBBLE.
I think any well adjusted adult can understand that. Note I did not say LIKE, I said "understand".
It's just a matter of logistics, they just don't have the hours to create EVERYONE'S dream game, they're probably pulling extra duty on other titles too, like Neverwinter, or maybe even other PWE titles Cryptic didn't develop too.
Now having said that:
I'm really sad the KT ships ended up in the lotobox, but I understand why they did. I don't like it, not at all, but I understand it and may even part take in the event too, despite my disappointment and unhappiness over it.
I would have preferred the Cardies as the next faction, but I think AOY was cool too, not that would have been my first choice, or even my second. BUT COOL TOO ! so I bought the pack. I don't wanna miss out on the fun and hey, I'm not takin any trips this year, so I splurged despite it all.
Sorry for the wall-o-text.
True, but that's not really STAR TREK though, the Federation, against EVERYONE else. That would make the Federation the bad guy in a sense, and MAYBE CBS didn't/wouldn't want it played out like that, being the keeper of the IP and all.
Doubt it. From a business point of view that would make no sense. Players forced that way are more likely to just not play the faction, rather than be forced to play something they don't want.
It is not likely to increase the faction size. It is more likely just cause less people to try the new faction.
All of us feel that way.
Enh, the difference is whether they have combat training, not if they're capable of it. Eraun doesn't know how to use a Polaron rifle. But he could learn if he wanted to.
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I'm having a hard time finding a reason to care about AoY honestly, so far has the least to interest me.
This season was better, we got some Terran Empire episodes, we got new Terran Empire ships, DS9 action, the Jupiter Carrier, the Kor, the Valiant, ect..., and some other cool stuff, but AoY, the federation faction 2.0, I really don't want to level up a new toon at all, so I'm left wondering what's in AoY for the rest of us who aren't interested in the TOS turtorial.
All I can see is the faction neutral Temperal 31st century ships, and the Temperal Specialization which I don't find all that exciting honestly.
To be honest the feature episodes rerun is more interesting to me then AoY.
Although that 31st century raider feels like a faction neutral BoP to me.
it is a bop. all uni battle cloak 4 fore 2 rear weapons raider flanking it's a bop alright and yet another kdf thing moved to the feds... what actually is left at this point? is there anything left besides enhanced bettlecloak?
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true but I'm feeling relaxed to day. so, lets only count things they can get while still being full fed.
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"