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23rd Century Spaceships MORE powerful than 25th Century Spaceships

fatherrockfatherrock Member Posts: 223 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Does it bother anyone that with this new
expansion that there are going to be older ships far more powerful
than spaceships made 200 years later?

Just curious
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    That entirely depends on the gear you put on them.
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    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    Nope. We already have ships that fit that bill.
    • Vulcan D'Kyr (300 year old design at least by STO's time.)
    • NX class (T1 ship, but can still pack a punch if built right. Just look at the occasional T1 STF run)
    • TOS Connie T1 (same story as the NX)
    • Excelsior Class Retrofit T5
    • Xindi ships (kinda the same as the D'Kyr)
    • Klingon K'T'inga (Fleet variant available at T5 with usable D7 TOS/movie skin)
    • Romulan T'Varo (design dates back to the 22nd Century so... 300 years old at least)
    • Class F shuttle (can fight alongside Type 10s and Danubes that are more modern designs)
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    Considering 25th century ships can kick the TRIBBLE out of ships from the far future? Nope, not really.

    Can I has T6 NX-01 now please?
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Considering 25th century ships can kick the **** out of ships from the far future? Nope, not really.

    Can I has T6 NX-01 now please?

    You have it already...

    It's called the AKIRA.

    <chuckle>
    B)
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Considering 25th century ships can kick the **** out of ships from the far future? Nope, not really.

    Can I has T6 NX-01 now please?

    You have it already...

    It's called the AKIRA.

    <chuckle>
    B)

    Has the right profile, but much like the JJ-prise shuttle bay it's too big B)
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  • captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    Hey, hey! These are TEMPORAL 23rd Century ships with molecular doohickeys! Don't you forget it! ;)
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    captsol wrote: »
    Hey, hey! These are TEMPORAL 23rd Century ships with molecular doohickeys! Don't you forget it! ;)

    Actually theyre future ships designed to look like 23rd century ships so as not to scare the locals :wink:
    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    Remember that I'M ADMIRAL LEETA wiped out the Iconians with temporal doohickeys. Fear the doohickeys, for they are mighty!
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Ever have a GF ask to play with your Molecular Doohickey and then forget to tell her it's a Temporal model?

    When you "arrive", she goes Back to the Future!

    <chuckle>
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    Ever have a GF ask to play with your Molecular Doohickey and then forget to tell her it's a Temporal model?

    When you "arrive", she goes back to the future!

    <chuckle>

    That was awesome, made me lol pretty good
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  • captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    Ever have a GF ask to play with your Molecular Doohickey and then forget to tell her it's a Temporal model?

    When you "arrive", she goes Back to the Future!

    <chuckle>

    This is heavy...
  • sohtohsohtoh Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    captsol wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    Ever have a GF ask to play with your Molecular Doohickey and then forget to tell her it's a Temporal model?

    When you "arrive", she goes Back to the Future!

    <chuckle>

    This is heavy...

    There's that word again, heavy. Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    sohtoh wrote: »
    captsol wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    Ever have a GF ask to play with your Molecular Doohickey and then forget to tell her it's a Temporal model?

    When you "arrive", she goes Back to the Future!

    <chuckle>

    This is heavy...

    There's that word again, heavy. Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?

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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    From what I heard, it won't matter. Since they will be done with those ships at Lv10, and use regular ships. Unless you bought Zen store ships.

    So more likely my TOS will end up in the Excelsior, Avenger, or ?? I'm not fully decided yet. Shame too, I was hoping to use one of those new Temporal Ships.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    farmallm wrote: »
    From what I heard, it won't matter. Since they will be done with those ships at Lv10, and use regular ships. Unless you bought Zen store ships.

    So more likely my TOS will end up in the Excelsior, Avenger, or ?? I'm not fully decided yet. Shame too, I was hoping to use one of those new Temporal Ships.

    so skin one of the t6 counterparts in it and roll on like a boss
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Considering 25th century ships can kick the **** out of ships from the far future? Nope, not really.

    Can I has T6 NX-01 now please?

    You have it already...

    It's called the AKIRA.

    <chuckle>
    B)

    Has the right profile, but much like the JJ-prise shuttle bay it's too big B)

    That's what she said. You know it had to be said.

    I've never actually had that said to me.., but, I've never been kicked out of bed because of a lack thereof either.

    Personally, if the options are "form" over "function"...,

    I'd rather be accused of performing too well, than being indicted for hogging the stage.

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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    sohtoh wrote: »
    There's that word again, heavy. Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    farmallm wrote: »
    From what I heard, it won't matter. Since they will be done with those ships at Lv10, and use regular ships. Unless you bought Zen store ships.

    So more likely my TOS will end up in the Excelsior, Avenger, or ?? I'm not fully decided yet. Shame too, I was hoping to use one of those new Temporal Ships.

    so skin one of the t6 counterparts in it and roll on like a boss

    I was expecting to see a "Faction" not just a starting story. From this I will more likely play this one much less past the first 10 Levels. Since it will revert to a regular character. Where I was hoping to see all kinds of new ships for it to play with.

    I will start one to see that part of the story. After that it will be put on the back burner until I get around to it.
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  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    I personally think this just proves.
    Kirk's Constitution could kick the $@# of Picard's Galaxy.
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  • kekvinkekvin Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    T2 constitution works well in stfs so :)
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    "They don't make em like they used to."
  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    The technology exists to rip out old systems and replace them with new...to take existing designs and replace elements of them using new materials. Power conduits can be replaced or added to. Shield and weapons systems can be retrofitted into existing superstructures. Etc. etc.

    If you're using an older design, it would make sense that you, as the commander, would use your own rank and resources to bring your ship up to date, so to speak, to give it a fighting chance in a technologically advancing playing field.

    Look at the Voyager episode, Prophecy. That old D7 had Voyager's shields down to 50% before they did a metaphasic scan and pinpointed its coordinates. Not bad for an old relic. This thread brings to light an important point..and that is...how fast is technology advancing when it comes to starship design and functionality?
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    how fast is technology advancing when it comes to starship design and functionality?
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    farmallm wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    farmallm wrote: »
    From what I heard, it won't matter. Since they will be done with those ships at Lv10, and use regular ships. Unless you bought Zen store ships.

    So more likely my TOS will end up in the Excelsior, Avenger, or ?? I'm not fully decided yet. Shame too, I was hoping to use one of those new Temporal Ships.

    so skin one of the t6 counterparts in it and roll on like a boss

    I was expecting to see a "Faction" not just a starting story. From this I will more likely play this one much less past the first 10 Levels. Since it will revert to a regular character. Where I was hoping to see all kinds of new ships for it to play with.

    I will start one to see that part of the story. After that it will be put on the back burner until I get around to it.

    I think we all were, especially after Gecko's statement. But that lynch mob is for a different time/thread
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,698 Arc User
    The ranger has a nice boff layout for a t5
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  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    fatherrock wrote: »
    Does it bother anyone that with this new
    expansion that there are going to be older ships far more powerful
    than spaceships made 200 years later?

    Just curious

    No, because they aren't 23rd century ships. They're 28th+ century ships made to look like 23rd century ships, hence the temporal powers they have access to.

    Only the tier 1 ships are actual 23rd century ships.

    Anyway, it's a bit late to get bothered about this, the games narrative has been heavily dissociated from it's gameplay for years now.
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  • neos472neos472 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    goodscotch wrote: »
    The technology exists to rip out old systems and replace them with new...to take existing designs and replace elements of them using new materials. Power conduits can be replaced or added to. Shield and weapons systems can be retrofitted into existing superstructures. Etc. etc.

    If you're using an older design, it would make sense that you, as the commander, would use your own rank and resources to bring your ship up to date, so to speak, to give it a fighting chance in a technologically advancing playing field.

    Look at the Voyager episode, Prophecy. That old D7 had Voyager's shields down to 50% before they did a metaphasic scan and pinpointed its coordinates. Not bad for an old relic. This thread brings to light an important point..and that is...how fast is technology advancing when it comes to starship design and functionality?

    hit the nail on the head as to how fast it is advancing I am not sure but when ya have a design that works you tend to use said design like the B'Rel and D7 for a long time
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    fatherrock wrote: »
    Does it bother anyone that with this new
    expansion that there are going to be older ships far more powerful
    than spaceships made 200 years later?

    Not really. It's a game.

    Between "online game, things evolve" and just the whole general "it's a game" (which can lead to things like a 1st-level Massive Sword doing 5 damage while a 100th level Tiny Butterknife doing 1000)..... meh, no big deal. Gameplay trumps realism.
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