I would expect the lifeboat egress path to be angled much more vertically...
Why? They are conformal to the exterior hull and are all over the place at many different angles depending on the location on the hull. Plus given it's on a space craft they can be any angle you want especialy with gravity control that is in Trek. The lifeboats are those buff colored triangular things on the hull.
I'm pretty sure that the Regent class comes with a torpedo launcher that allows for broadside firing torpedoes. As for ancient combat, I recall that in the (film version of) Wing Commander (awful film, btw) the TCS Tiger Claw had broadside torpedo launchers. Was quite reminiscent of old school naval warfare.
Because the lifeboat in particular that was being discussed is situated on a relatively horizontal section of hull and I'd expect them to travel perpendicular to the surface they launch from because that the the mathematical way of describing "get the hell away from the ship ASAP" . If we were speaking of one mounted on a vertical flank as we see on other ships I'd expect it to go more horizontally.
im sure i read once that cryptic was playing around with the idea of a ship with broadside weapon slots.
i do hope the do it would be a nice change even if only on one ship.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
im sure i read once that cryptic was playing around with the idea of a ship with broadside weapon slots.
i do hope the do it would be a nice change even if only on one ship.
Do you not have any current weapons that broadside?
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
Again, think of it like with modern pistols, they go into the firing chamber vertically, and exit horizontally, at a 90 degree angle in relation to the path they took into the chamber.
The torpedoes do not have to be loaded in the same angle they would be fired, they only need to be oriented in that direction within the loading mechanism.
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
Again, think of it like with modern pistols, they go into the firing chamber vertically, and exit horizontally, at a 90 degree angle in relation to the path they took into the chamber.
The torpedoes do not have to be loaded in the same angle they would be fired, they only need to be oriented in that direction within the loading mechanism.
If we are going by modern weapons, should we not compare these to modern navel vessels?
Do any Navel vessels have sideways torpedo launchers?
(If not why?) Dunno. I just know Trek was based on these premises.
P.S: We know 'broad side' comes from the old wooden ships. Why did we stop using broad side attacks? More to discuss!
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
Again, think of it like with modern pistols, they go into the firing chamber vertically, and exit horizontally, at a 90 degree angle in relation to the path they took into the chamber.
The torpedoes do not have to be loaded in the same angle they would be fired, they only need to be oriented in that direction within the loading mechanism.
If we are going by modern weapons, should we not compare these to modern navel vessels?
Do any Navel vessels have sideways torpedo launchers?
(If not why?) Dunno. I just know Trek was based on these premises.
I believe some modern warships have missiles that fire straight up, then angle in on their target using guidance systems. I believe torpedoes are mostly limited to subs. I'm no expert on naval warfare though, was mostly talking about the loading mechanism itself, the firing tubes in trek wouldn't need to be long though since the torpedoes have guidance systems.
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
Again, think of it like with modern pistols, they go into the firing chamber vertically, and exit horizontally, at a 90 degree angle in relation to the path they took into the chamber.
The torpedoes do not have to be loaded in the same angle they would be fired, they only need to be oriented in that direction within the loading mechanism.
If we are going by modern weapons, should we not compare these to modern navel vessels?
Do any Navel vessels have sideways torpedo launchers?
(If not why?) Dunno. I just know Trek was based on these premises.
Naval systems are pretty fundamentally different than what we think about Trek systems (which need a large linear accelerator to get the torpedo up to speed; remember, it's a warp weapon and if it's not moving faster than the ship, the ship hits it). Naval systems fire sideways torpedoes from short tube launchers with some gas expansion because the real torpedo is almost totally self-propelled.
It is an interesting concept but there is currently no mechanism in this game that supports this. This game only has a fore and aft (front and rear) targeting arc(s). A broadside torpedo would require a port and starboard (left and right) targeting arc system which this game does not have. And for those who wonder what I mean, the point of center must be on the facing side and currently it's only in the fore or aft.
Anyways, to your encouragement you can get the Wide Arc Quantum torpedo from the C-store. It has an 180 degree targeting arc and it should give you some coverage.
It is an interesting concept but there is currently no mechanism in this game that supports this. This game only has a fore and aft (front and rear) targeting arc(s). A broadside torpedo would require a port and starboard (left and right) targeting arc system which this game does not have. And for those who wonder what I mean, the point of center must be on the facing side and currently it's only in the fore or aft.
Anyways, to your encouragement you can get the Wide Arc Quantum torpedo from the C-store. It has an 180 degree targeting arc and it should give you some coverage.
You can also get a plasma one from Borg Rep.
The Omega Plasma Torpedo Launcher has a conventional firing arc, it just has a higher RoF limited by charges as it's "special" mechanic.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Torpedoes on Destroyers and various Japanese Crusier types were to the broadside or slight angle broadside. PT Boats fired forward or at a slight angle offset forward.
Destroyers like the US Fletcher class and various Japanese ships (deploying Type 92 Torpedoes) had centerline mounts that could fire to either side. A rotating mount on a Starship on top or bottom of the hull could conceivably be 360°.
We really don't need this thread to derail on escape pods.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My perspective is the calculations for two 90 degree cones is pretty simple. And again its not at all like the forward-facing half-sphere arcs the existing wide-arc weapons have, in no small part because it CAN'T shoot forward, which changes the dynamic for using it dramatically (it's almost like an anti-arc - it fires in the spaces fore & back torpedoes can't scratch).
The questions are "is a slight increase in cooldown enough to offset so zero-sum substitutions can be made?" and "Would people find new and interesting uses for them if they were available?"
I'd like to think both answers are 'yes'. People have expressed an interest and so far nobody has screamed "OMG that's so OP!"
((though someone will now of course, just to be contrary))
It's not a new idea. Broadsides weapons were suggested long ago, and the Devs even seemed to be thinking about it but it never went anywhere. I don't know or don't remember why the idea was dropped.
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
T5 Akira (Armitage) actually comes with the console to use those. Torpedoes everywhere once every few minutes (I think it's two min. now.): port, starboard, fore, aft, it cares not.
I like it idea from a mechanical standpoint, however the very fact it comes off of a JJTrek concept would likely place it into some murky area legally that cryptic would just rather not go near
Already kinda in game with the above console, and the concept has been in Star Trek games since pen and paper days IIRC, and has come up in several video games too.
You know, instead of these JJ Trek broadside torpedoes, why don't they make Point Defense Systems more accessible (to the KDF and allied Rom characters), and/or make more torpedoes with that [Arc] modifier?
It is an interesting concept but there is currently no mechanism in this game that supports this. This game only has a fore and aft (front and rear) targeting arc(s). A broadside torpedo would require a port and starboard (left and right) targeting arc system which this game does not have. And for those who wonder what I mean, the point of center must be on the facing side and currently it's only in the fore or aft.
Anyways, to your encouragement you can get the Wide Arc Quantum torpedo from the C-store. It has an 180 degree targeting arc and it should give you some coverage.
2 problems. It's only a one torpedo per ship deal being a special weapon on the Sovereign, (I have not seen a standalone version of same available anywhere, even for zen) which still leaves a wide gap in the targeting arc. Another, it's Fed only and therefore not available for KDF/Roms.
A 180 degree torpedo should be craftable after level 15 in Projectiles R&D instead of the plasma bomb. I would much prefer they make that change.
^, but both. Plasma bomb thing is kind of useful in some situations, but I would really like craftable 180 degree torpedoes
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
Again, think of it like with modern pistols, they go into the firing chamber vertically, and exit horizontally, at a 90 degree angle in relation to the path they took into the chamber.
The torpedoes do not have to be loaded in the same angle they would be fired, they only need to be oriented in that direction within the loading mechanism.
If we are going by modern weapons, should we not compare these to modern navel vessels?
Do any Navel vessels have sideways torpedo launchers?
(If not why?) Dunno. I just know Trek was based on these premises.
P.S: We know 'broad side' comes from the old wooden ships. Why did we stop using broad side attacks? More to discuss!
It depends on the ship. Many surface combatant's have triple mount torpedo launchers that can be trained in a arc of roughly 180 degrees and are mounted around the amidship area. Back until around 1960 or so there were quad mounts two sets of 3 or more tubes depending on class. These are kind of a supplement to the pepper box ASROC launchers and the torpedos carried by the air div helis. Subs on the other hand depending on class and mission have 4 tubes (Ohio, LA and Virginia) to 6 tubes (Seawolf class) that are mounted aft of the sonar array and fire at an angle from the centerline. Older class boats had them mounted in the bow firing forward my boat had 4 tubes more for self defense then anti-shipping or anti submarine operations our main weapons were 16 UGM-73's . I'm an Ex-submariner hence my handle ssbn655
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
T5 Akira (Armitage) actually comes with the console to use those. Torpedoes everywhere once every few minutes (I think it's two min. now.): port, starboard, fore, aft, it cares not.
I like it idea from a mechanical standpoint, however the very fact it comes off of a JJTrek concept would likely place it into some murky area legally that cryptic would just rather not go near
Already kinda in game with the above console, and the concept has been in Star Trek games since pen and paper days IIRC, and has come up in several video games too.
You know, instead of these JJ Trek broadside torpedoes, why don't they make Point Defense Systems more accessible (to the KDF and allied Rom characters), and/or make more torpedoes with that [Arc] modifier?
It is an interesting concept but there is currently no mechanism in this game that supports this. This game only has a fore and aft (front and rear) targeting arc(s). A broadside torpedo would require a port and starboard (left and right) targeting arc system which this game does not have. And for those who wonder what I mean, the point of center must be on the facing side and currently it's only in the fore or aft.
Anyways, to your encouragement you can get the Wide Arc Quantum torpedo from the C-store. It has an 180 degree targeting arc and it should give you some coverage.
2 problems. It's only a one torpedo per ship deal being a special weapon on the Sovereign, (I have not seen a standalone version of same available anywhere, even for zen) which still leaves a wide gap in the targeting arc. Another, it's Fed only and therefore not available for KDF/Roms.
A 180 degree torpedo should be craftable after level 15 in Projectiles R&D instead of the plasma bomb. I would much prefer they make that change.
^, but both. Plasma bomb thing is kind of useful in some situations, but I would really like craftable 180 degree torpedoes
I have the PDF turret on my Roms amd KDF they were a lockbox if I remember. I have had them so long I forget where I got them.
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I think he's referring to the paired nipples in the recessed area at the 3/9 o'clock positions on the saucher
Well, if so, someone in that last lifeboat position is gonna have a big surprise on their launch vector, followed by a bad day.
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
Again, think of it like with modern pistols, they go into the firing chamber vertically, and exit horizontally, at a 90 degree angle in relation to the path they took into the chamber.
The torpedoes do not have to be loaded in the same angle they would be fired, they only need to be oriented in that direction within the loading mechanism.
If we are going by modern weapons, should we not compare these to modern navel vessels?
Do any Navel vessels have sideways torpedo launchers?
(If not why?) Dunno. I just know Trek was based on these premises.
I believe some modern warships have missiles that fire straight up, then angle in on their target using guidance systems. I believe torpedoes are mostly limited to subs. I'm no expert on naval warfare though, was mostly talking about the loading mechanism itself, the firing tubes in trek wouldn't need to be long though since the torpedoes have guidance systems.
VLS systems were developed to do several things and are pretty much standard on most surface ships with few exceptions. They replaced the swivel and pivot reloaders of the 50's and early 70's were on the way out with Spurence class destroyers. They made it possible to ripple fire a salvo in a few seconds instead of waiting for the launcher to swivel elevate and the weapon to be transported from the magazine to the handlers who mounted the fins then carried it by hand to the elevator and hoisted into place. Needless to say it was a pretty dangerous job and slow. the ship could salvo (depending on class) 6 to 8 missiles a minute while a VLS ship could salvo in theory over 100 in the same time period.
Nowadays the loading systems on a sub are very automated with a hydralic loader that pulls the weapon from it's rack and slides it into the tube. A heck of a lot faster and safer then how it was done in my day. The Torpedomen had it hard reloading a tubes all by hand zero automation it took quite awhile and well a MK48 ADCAP isn't exactly a featherweight item lots of injury potential. A good friend of mine Chief Tropedomen Don Meadows went from a boomer where it was all old school loading the fish to a 688 where it was pretty much all push button.
Disruptor Point Defense System came from the Tholian Lockbox and therefore also the Exchange for KDF aligned.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My guess for the main reason we probably won't get these is because we never saw anything like that in the shows. (Unless I'm mistaken and someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)
That said, I don't see why not.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
If you look at the Akira class, it does have side mounted torpedo tubes.
It's not that bizarre an idea. I'm all for it.
Where?
Please point them out.
I checked the blueprints and it has only forward and aft tubes.
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Those are docking/cargo airlocks. All the tubes are fore and aft facing 15 in all in two locations forward deck 10 and fore and aft on the weapons pod. www.cygnus-x1.net/links/Icars/blueprints/sd-akira/Akira-02-x.jpeg
These specs were laid out by Alex Jaeger who designed the ship for TNG.
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Because the lifeboat in particular that was being discussed is situated on a relatively horizontal section of hull and I'd expect them to travel perpendicular to the surface they launch from because that the the mathematical way of describing "get the hell away from the ship ASAP"
the life boats/escape pods are those triangle things along the saucer, see 2:28 on this video
And perhaps carriers can launch 360 defiants/bug ships? (at a press of a button you launch your 'pets' in every direction at once!)
Oooooor... (and this is just a thought....)
Russian Doll ships...
Using photonic/holographic technology....
A ship that has unlimited copies of itself... INSIDE itself!
Imagine a carrier that can launch carriers AND those carriers can launch more of themselves!
I think it would be completely viable. Just add a few new holographic arrays to the current ships and it's very doable.
i do hope the do it would be a nice change even if only on one ship.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Do you not have any current weapons that broadside?
Dude, I'm well aware, but when you start thinking about how the escape pod system is a vertical tube and the supposed torpedo system is a horizontal tube that runs through that vertical tube, you get into my meaning of why that's not actually a torpedo system.
There's other ways a torpedo system in that location could be set up that wouldn't intersect with the escape pods, imagine a magazine angled 45-90 degrees off that opening, pointed aft, similar to how modern pistols are fed.
I too want to blow my own engines off. The potential exit angle doesn't work with the recess shape.
Again, think of it like with modern pistols, they go into the firing chamber vertically, and exit horizontally, at a 90 degree angle in relation to the path they took into the chamber.
The torpedoes do not have to be loaded in the same angle they would be fired, they only need to be oriented in that direction within the loading mechanism.
If we are going by modern weapons, should we not compare these to modern navel vessels?
Do any Navel vessels have sideways torpedo launchers?
(If not why?) Dunno. I just know Trek was based on these premises.
P.S: We know 'broad side' comes from the old wooden ships. Why did we stop using broad side attacks? More to discuss!
I believe some modern warships have missiles that fire straight up, then angle in on their target using guidance systems. I believe torpedoes are mostly limited to subs. I'm no expert on naval warfare though, was mostly talking about the loading mechanism itself, the firing tubes in trek wouldn't need to be long though since the torpedoes have guidance systems.
Naval systems are pretty fundamentally different than what we think about Trek systems (which need a large linear accelerator to get the torpedo up to speed; remember, it's a warp weapon and if it's not moving faster than the ship, the ship hits it). Naval systems fire sideways torpedoes from short tube launchers with some gas expansion because the real torpedo is almost totally self-propelled.
You can also get a plasma one from Borg Rep.
The Omega Plasma Torpedo Launcher has a conventional firing arc, it just has a higher RoF limited by charges as it's "special" mechanic.
Destroyers like the US Fletcher class and various Japanese ships (deploying Type 92 Torpedoes) had centerline mounts that could fire to either side. A rotating mount on a Starship on top or bottom of the hull could conceivably be 360°.
We really don't need this thread to derail on escape pods.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The questions are "is a slight increase in cooldown enough to offset so zero-sum substitutions can be made?" and "Would people find new and interesting uses for them if they were available?"
I'd like to think both answers are 'yes'. People have expressed an interest and so far nobody has screamed "OMG that's so OP!"
((though someone will now of course, just to be contrary))
You know, instead of these JJ Trek broadside torpedoes, why don't they make Point Defense Systems more accessible (to the KDF and allied Rom characters), and/or make more torpedoes with that [Arc] modifier?
^, but both. Plasma bomb thing is kind of useful in some situations, but I would really like craftable 180 degree torpedoes
It depends on the ship. Many surface combatant's have triple mount torpedo launchers that can be trained in a arc of roughly 180 degrees and are mounted around the amidship area. Back until around 1960 or so there were quad mounts two sets of 3 or more tubes depending on class. These are kind of a supplement to the pepper box ASROC launchers and the torpedos carried by the air div helis. Subs on the other hand depending on class and mission have 4 tubes (Ohio, LA and Virginia) to 6 tubes (Seawolf class) that are mounted aft of the sonar array and fire at an angle from the centerline. Older class boats had them mounted in the bow firing forward my boat had 4 tubes more for self defense then anti-shipping or anti submarine operations our main weapons were 16 UGM-73's . I'm an Ex-submariner hence my handle ssbn655
I have the PDF turret on my Roms amd KDF they were a lockbox if I remember. I have had them so long I forget where I got them.
VLS systems were developed to do several things and are pretty much standard on most surface ships with few exceptions. They replaced the swivel and pivot reloaders of the 50's and early 70's were on the way out with Spurence class destroyers. They made it possible to ripple fire a salvo in a few seconds instead of waiting for the launcher to swivel elevate and the weapon to be transported from the magazine to the handlers who mounted the fins then carried it by hand to the elevator and hoisted into place. Needless to say it was a pretty dangerous job and slow. the ship could salvo (depending on class) 6 to 8 missiles a minute while a VLS ship could salvo in theory over 100 in the same time period.
Nowadays the loading systems on a sub are very automated with a hydralic loader that pulls the weapon from it's rack and slides it into the tube. A heck of a lot faster and safer then how it was done in my day. The Torpedomen had it hard reloading a tubes all by hand zero automation it took quite awhile and well a MK48 ADCAP isn't exactly a featherweight item lots of injury potential. A good friend of mine Chief Tropedomen Don Meadows went from a boomer where it was all old school loading the fish to a 688 where it was pretty much all push button.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That said, I don't see why not.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Those are docking/cargo airlocks. All the tubes are fore and aft facing 15 in all in two locations forward deck 10 and fore and aft on the weapons pod. www.cygnus-x1.net/links/Icars/blueprints/sd-akira/Akira-02-x.jpeg
These specs were laid out by Alex Jaeger who designed the ship for TNG.