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~60 second 'Assault' phase of The Breach?

I've found that, roughly half the time over the past few days, the initial 'assault' phase of The Breach event queue completes in roughly one minute--rather than the more common five minutes--and usually about the time I or a teammate destroys the first integrity field generator. Is this a matter of other players triggering an exploit, me being unaware of a much more efficient method for finishing the assault, or some other factor?
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    Known and submitted bug.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    Your first two options, depending on who you ask.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    If something wonderful like this happens, you simply enjoy.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • gholendhorgholendhor Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    Not a bug.This occurs when a player heads straight to the breach site,when a player arrives it thinks they went the long way around and didn't shot at anything.it's just a shortcut.
  • misterlozmisterloz Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    ^^this.

    Because the first stage is optional you can bypass it by flying directly to the breach site. You can even see the direction markers. IIFC you don't lose any marks from bypassing the trench run.
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    If something wonderful like this happens, you simply enjoy.​​

    Unfortunetly people just can't simply enjoy such things. They seem to feel the constant urge to babble it out whereever they go and even post videos about it on youtube. Which is why this little - convenience- will get fixed tomorrow. Thank goodness I'm done with the Breach already.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    If something wonderful like this happens, you simply enjoy.​​

    Unfortunetly people just can't simply enjoy such things. They seem to feel the constant urge to babble it out whereever they go and even post videos about it on youtube. Which is why this little - convenience- will get fixed tomorrow. Thank goodness I'm done with the Breach already.


    People's ingenuity at finding, erm, 'shortcuts', never fails to impress me. :) When it first happened to me, in the 'Star Wars' trench, I was like 'Wut?!'

    I don't think it's really a bug; thus not really an exploit; but should be considered an exploit nonetheless, IMHO, as we all know, deep down, this is not what Cryptic intended.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    szim wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    If something wonderful like this happens, you simply enjoy.

    Unfortunetly people just can't simply enjoy such things. They seem to feel the constant urge to babble it out whereever they go and even post videos about it on youtube. Which is why this little - convenience- will get fixed tomorrow. Thank goodness I'm done with the Breach already.


    People's ingenuity at finding, erm, 'shortcuts', never fails to impress me. :) When it first happened to me, in the 'Star Wars' trench, I was like 'Wut?!'

    I don't think it's really a bug; thus not really an exploit; but should be considered an exploit nonetheless, IMHO, as we all know, deep down, this is not what Cryptic intended.

    Finding stuff like that was part of the game for a lot of us in ye olde days. Today it's called exploiting.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,282 Arc User
    gholendhor wrote: »
    Not a bug.This occurs when a player heads straight to the breach site,when a player arrives it thinks they went the long way around and didn't shot at anything.it's just a shortcut.

    Unfortunately, people are using it more and more and can't believe there is a post on the shortcut already. At least, the event will be over soon but I'm sure Cryptic might treat this as an exploit if Argala was considered as one too...this might follow the same path.​​
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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    It's not the only map hole on that queue.
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    lopequil wrote: »
    It's not the only map hole on that queue.

    But its the only one that really matters.
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  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Meh, anything that gets me through the breach faster I'm happy with.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    angrytarg wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    szim wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    If something wonderful like this happens, you simply enjoy.

    Unfortunetly people just can't simply enjoy such things. They seem to feel the constant urge to babble it out whereever they go and even post videos about it on youtube. Which is why this little - convenience- will get fixed tomorrow. Thank goodness I'm done with the Breach already.


    People's ingenuity at finding, erm, 'shortcuts', never fails to impress me. :) When it first happened to me, in the 'Star Wars' trench, I was like 'Wut?!'

    I don't think it's really a bug; thus not really an exploit; but should be considered an exploit nonetheless, IMHO, as we all know, deep down, this is not what Cryptic intended.

    Finding stuff like that was part of the game for a lot of us in ye olde days. Today it's called exploiting.​​

    Finding interesting vistas and neat details in the game by going off track is exploration.
    Taking an unintended route to finish a mission faster - yeah, sounds more like exploiting something*.

    Not that it really matters. The trench run is pretty much the quickest thing in the mission usually.


    *) more doesn't necessarily mean I consider it a "real" exploit. I could imagine worse things. We've had worse things - like people equipping double shields.
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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    What happened with Argala?
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    A while back, they revamped XP rewards for new systems, without fully testing out how it impacted existing areas. Players discovered that the Romulan patrol missions were rewarding way more (especially in combination with XP boosts), found the shortest one (Argala), and commenced to grinding it like mad to advance quickly through the specialization ranks, back when maxing one of those out rewarded dilithium. Some of the more grievous "offenders" actually had their XP rolled back as a result of the mistake, which I find positively heinous.
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    hanover2 wrote: »
    A while back, they revamped XP rewards for new systems, without fully testing out how it impacted existing areas. Players discovered that the Romulan patrol missions were rewarding way more (especially in combination with XP boosts), found the shortest one (Argala), and commenced to grinding it like mad to advance quickly through the specialization ranks, back when maxing one of those out rewarded dilithium. Some of the more grievous "offenders" actually had their XP rolled back as a result of the mistake, which I find positively heinous.

    Argala is a Delta Quadrant patrol not a Romulan patrol, at least get your facts straight. It was Japori that was the problem in the Romulan patrols. Argala grinding became a thing after the Japori fix was put in and Argala grinding is why we now have a 30 minute cooldown on repeatable patrols. As for the changes and/or rollbacks Cryptic made being "heinous" ROFLMAO.

    You're right. I stand corrected. I was conflating two events in my head. Been playing this game too long.
  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    I would they don't go as far as that with this problem. I mean yes it makes the mission quicker, but it's not as though players can't already just ignore the hard points and fly straight to the rally point.

    All the same I think I'll just leave it to other players to take advantage of. I tried it myself a few times out of curiosity but then I realised that the trench run is actually my favourite part of the mission. If there was an issue that meant the dreadnought popped early that would be another story.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    This thread brings back memories:
    Doff stacking
    Nukara constant medium runs (900 FM per hour)
    Romulan patrols for XP

    The only one above that lasted more than 2 weeks in the game was doff stacking. I think it got patched after 2 1/2 years of being in the game.
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    Just FYI, I've patched a couple of holes in collision on the Breach yesterday and today. Should be going out soon, so exploit while you can.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Just FYI, I've patched a couple of holes in collision on the Breach yesterday and today. Should be going out soon, so exploit while you can.

    Sir, yes sir!

    Who wants to invade ESD? :D
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,886 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    szim wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    If something wonderful like this happens, you simply enjoy.​​

    Unfortunetly people just can't simply enjoy such things. They seem to feel the constant urge to babble it out whereever they go and even post videos about it on youtube. Which is why this little - convenience- will get fixed tomorrow. Thank goodness I'm done with the Breach already.

    LOL, I love how people will say just about anything to justify using exploits, including calling it a convenience instead of what it is...a exploit...and what you're doing is exploiting something that shouldn't be able to which means your cheating which you should get banned for...but that never happens in this game.
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  • darthwoodarthwoo Member Posts: 371 Arc User
    misterloz wrote: »
    ^^this.

    Because the first stage is optional you can bypass it by flying directly to the breach site. You can even see the direction markers. IIFC you don't lose any marks from bypassing the trench run.

    That is absolutely correct. I've seen this happen on more than one run now, and as we did everything else properly, it made not a lick of difference in the amount of marks we got at the end. I think people would be justifiably miffed that what basically tacks on an extra 3-4 minutes in a PvE that is already senselessly long for a 14-day event is of complete irrelevance to the mission overall. It's kind of like forcing everyone to take the scenic route for no good reason.

  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Speaking of holes in the collision, has anyone else found a hole in the wall going into one of the hangars? I did last night. Hit the side of the entry, came out in what looked like the hangar, but then there was an invisible barrier I couldn't pass through. It was the wall, and like many, had no texture (or opacity) from the "wrong" side. I looked like a bug trying to fly through a glass window. Fortunately, the game popped up a window as the rest of the team moved on, letting me "rally" to them.
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  • bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    szim wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    If something wonderful like this happens, you simply enjoy.

    Unfortunetly people just can't simply enjoy such things. They seem to feel the constant urge to babble it out whereever they go and even post videos about it on youtube. Which is why this little - convenience- will get fixed tomorrow. Thank goodness I'm done with the Breach already.


    People's ingenuity at finding, erm, 'shortcuts', never fails to impress me. :) When it first happened to me, in the 'Star Wars' trench, I was like 'Wut?!'

    I don't think it's really a bug; thus not really an exploit; but should be considered an exploit nonetheless, IMHO, as we all know, deep down, this is not what Cryptic intended.

    Wrong...an exploit is an exploit no matter how you look at it. Classic example in question is Argala.​​
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  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Just FYI, I've patched a couple of holes in collision on the Breach yesterday and today. Should be going out soon, so exploit while you can.

    This really gets at the heart of my question. Since the process in question bypasses objectives labeled as 'optional,' I wasn't clear on whether or not the bypass was intentional. I'm interested in clearing the queue as quickly as possible when I'm looking at doing it 50+ times over a couple of weeks, but I'm not interested in abusing an unintentional quirk of the map to do so. Clearly, it isn't intentional, and based on Taco's response, I won't expect to see it stick around.
  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    I'm never sure about 'optionals' in STO since alot of them are 'manditory optionals' which confuses the hell out of me, as they are not optional at all :D
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    You mean Japori @bubblegirl2015 ?
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  • angarus1angarus1 Member Posts: 684 Arc User
    Having the trench run skipped did slow down the mastery on my ships. Had to compensate for that with extra runs. :o
  • bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Just FYI, I've patched a couple of holes in collision on the Breach yesterday and today. Should be going out soon, so exploit while you can.

    Exploit no more tiger-10.gif​​
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