Players Love new FAW META inspired STO Controller

pulserazor

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hanover2

"Why do I need a joystick next to the I-WIN button?!? This game is too complicated! I demand free stuff!"

iconians

hanover2 wrote: »

"Why do I need a joystick next to the I-WIN button?!? This game is too complicated! I demand free stuff!"

"Instructions unclear. Got lost in the Delta Volanis Star Cluster."​​

caldannach

pulserazor wrote: »

Brilliant thread!

taylor1701d

To be fair, one has to use a number of buffs, and abilities to make the most of FaW.

As someone who doesn't use Key binds, its even more intense.
I use upwards of 5-6 buffs/abilities before most barrages of FaW.
Then I must think of distance, speed and number of threats around me, all while keeping one eye on battle and one on the skilltray.

Its a lot more nuanced then you or others give it credit for.
You can have all kinds of hybrid FaW builds.
Sciency FaW
Tanky FaW
Drain disable FaW
Torpedo FaW synergy build (With new traits of energy weapons buffing Torp and vice versa).

But I realize its pointless to try and point this out.
We all know its way cooler to jump on the I hate BFaW Bandwaggon, and get a few cheap laughs.
Which will end up getting it nerfed, and there goes farming adv or elite with any consistency.
Thanks a lot.

taylor1701d

And if you were being honest it would look more like THIS;

qziqza

will that stick controller be available in a left handed version? the complication of having to either reach across with my right hand to hit the button every few seconds, or pay some street urchin a mcfatty happy meal to do it for me, will totally kill my immersion.

thunderfoot

"Nuisance" is certainly the correct word to describe FAW supporters.

Anyways, how exactly does one determine the nuances of a Space Bar Smash?

As far as getting FAW nerfed, all it really means is the one trick ponies will now actually have to play the game instead of purchasing their way to victory with Plasmonic Leach and Marion DOffs.

legendarylycan

and there's a clear sign of someone who doesn't know what the TRIBBLE he's talking about

newsflash, dumbass - marion dropped out of favor YEARS AGO​​

thunderfoot

Doesn't change anything.
And if you can't take a little fun then maybe you should buy a thicker skin. After all, purchasing an 'I Win' button should be almost an unconcious reflex by now, shouldn't it?

pulserazor

taylor1701d wrote: »

To be fair, one has to use a number of buffs, and abilities to make the most of FaW.

As someone who doesn't use Key binds, its even more intense.
I use upwards of 5-6 buffs/abilities before most barrages of FaW.
Then I must think of distance, speed and number of threats around me, all while keeping one eye on battle and one on the skilltray.

Its a lot more nuisanced then you or others give it credit for.
You can have all kinds of hybrid FaW builds.
Sciency FaW
Tanky FaW
Drain disable FaW
Torpedo FaW synergy build (With new traits of energy weapons buffing Torp and vice versa).

But I realize its pointless to try and point this out.
We all know its way cooler to jump on the I hate BFaW Bandwaggon, and get a few cheap laughs.
Which will end up getting it nerfed, and there goes farming adv or elite with any consistency.
Thanks a lot.

FAW KEYBIND:

after dumping your "upwards of 5-6 buffs/abilities before most barrages of FaW" into skill tray 10:


Space "+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields$$GenSendMessage HUD_Root FireAll$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0"



Oh, the complexity.

Let me make it even more simple for you:

W "+down$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$GenSendMessage HUD_Root FireAll$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields"
S "+up$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$GenSendMessage HUD_Root FireAll$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields"
D "+right$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$GenSendMessage HUD_Root FireAll$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields"
A "+left$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$GenSendMessage HUD_Root FireAll$$+TrayExecByTray 9 9$$+TrayExecByTray 9 8$$+TrayExecByTray 9 7$$+TrayExecByTray 9 6$$+TrayExecByTray 9 5$$+TrayExecByTray 9 4$$+TrayExecByTray 9 3$$+TrayExecByTray 9 2$$+TrayExecByTray 9 1$$+TrayExecByTray 9 0$$+Power_Exec Distribute_Shields"

Now you can execute tray 10, fire all weapons, distribute shield power AND move with ASWD.

And The Players Love It.™

quepan

wow people take this too seriously , to the OP i found that very funny , thanks for brightening up my day

taylor1701d

Space bar smash requires macros.
Something I don't support as I said earlier, I don't use any keybinds.
So i have to click all the skills I want to setup a blast of FaW.
For example; GravWell, Tac Team, Alpha, kemo, ep2w, FaW. -Get into position- open fire.
*Besides most any build can be made strong, and put into keybinds for a spacebar smasher type experience !

And as I said before, it is possible to have a heavy science bias on a FaW boat.. is that so hard to comprehend ?

I don't get where the FaW hosility comes from.


@thunderfoot006 Maybe you don't actually hate FaW, maybe you hate Keybinders.
Judging from what you posted, your (irrational) anger seems to stem from people spacebar smashing their way through content. You don't seem to like that idea. That seems to upset you greatly.

Your anger has been totally misplaced all this time.
Which isn't hard to imagine, judging by your dated knowledge on FaW, and build mechanics.
Only thing you've been correct on is your spelling of nuanced.

taylor1701d

I don't read keybind @pulserazor
Sorry. That is jibberish to me.

But go ahead and enlighten me on how a science heavy build is any different, when any build can be turned into a space bar smasher.
I don't see anything enlightened in other approaches, I'm sorry its all the same to me.
I have both types of builds, sci and heavy tac. And both are based on buff buff buff debuff attack. +positioning.
It ain't rocket science, no matter how special you think you and your special snowflake build are.

pulserazor

Space bar smashing keybinds are not macros, they are the same keybinds that are supported by the game and you can find them in your STO folder. (however, space bar mashing keybinds are terribly ham-fisted and imprecise)

None of the keybinds I posted violate any tos agreement, and were compiled using the game's own user code.

"I dont use keybinds" in a game that offers players potentially 40+ skills to manage is... silly .


Consider yourself enlightened. - http://sto.gamepedia.com/Guide:_Keybinds

seaofsorrows

You show me someone who thinks that the key to DPS is just slotting FAW and pressing space, and I'll show you a horrible, clueless player.

Keep making threads showing us all how ignorant you are, it's really is amusing, just not for the reason you think.

pulserazor

seaofsorrows wrote: »

You show me someone who thinks that the key to DPS is just slotting FAW and pressing space, and I'll show you a horrible, clueless player.

Keep making threads showing us all how ignorant you are, it's really is amusing, just not for the reason you think.

Sorry to make you salty.

This thread was never about your venerable DPS. It is about FAW, and how everyone uses it even when it is completely disadvantageous to do so.

But since you bring up dps, regardless of how complex you think it is, (or expensive) every single time someone boasts a parse result it was genrated by FAW. And most likely Antiproton.

I Win Button seems like an apt analogy.

For the record, these are not keybinds that I would use myself.

taylor1701d

Can a real captain activate a bajillion skills with one command ? Not in any trek show I've seen.
Besides I get enjoyment out of it. I'm not interested in just pushing space bar.
I like to plan my ability usage. As inefficient as that may seem to top end DPS'ers. I prefer it.
And I can hang at 70k dps without the keybinds as a cruch.
I realized my ability usage is not optimal without the binds and causes me to miss out on more buffs per mission.
But I get by fine.
And people around here seem to have a big problem with binding. Spacebar smasher is a common insult round here. You all should be comending me for playing like a real captain. And not adding to the keybinding proliferation.

thatcursedwolf

taylor1701d wrote: »

And if you were being honest it would look more like THIS;

BFAW is nowhere close to Nintendo hard.

Now a picture of a Game Genie, you'd be on to something.

taylor1701d

Enlighten me Wolf...
What's the ultra complex build you're currently running ?
I'd like to know how to play STO proper.

peterconnorfirst

When reading such stuff I always ask myself how many players complaining about the easiness about BFAW actually manage to surpass 50K DPS with it. Slotting a copy or two is easy, yea, but putting together a good build not to mention implementing it well is rather not.

The misconception already starts in ISA when some 20Kers experience an easy run. I doubt the 90k dude* pulling it shares their experience.

*90k+ dude with cannon and beam builds myself

taylor1701d

^

e30ernest

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

When reading such stuff I always ask myself how many players complaining about the easiness about BFAW actually manage to surpass 50K DPS with it. Slotting a copy or two is easy, yea, but putting together a good build not to mention implementing it well is rather not.

I agree with this. There is so much more going on on high-end FAW builds other than simple spacebar mashing. Having flown both full-torp, torp-sci, cannon-torp and FAW builds, I can say that FAW poses its own challenges. If it were truly as easy as some people put it up to be, then the majority of players would easily be high-DPS players. But they're not.

However, I don't think it's right for a single ability to be the go-to ability for all scenarios. As it is, FAW outperforms BO even in single target shots. At least for torps, there is a reason to switch between TS and HY. I personally think this skill or BO (or both of them) need adjusting.

tunebreaker

I'd like to see one single person who makes gazillion (ok, even 30k+) DPS by mashing his all-on-spacebar keybind. With horrible and random ability management and conflicting ability activation times, the person who can pull something like this off truly deserves a commendation.

gradii

shadowfang240 wrote: »

and there's a clear sign of someone who doesn't know what the TRIBBLE he's talking about

newsflash, dumbass - marion dropped out of favor YEARS AGO​​

Agreed, some people always need some scapegoat to cry about. this time it's BFAW. next time it might be tac team for all we know. or grav well.

Theres a LOT of factors which make BFAW OP on some builds. then you have the non optimized terribadbuilds who tickle things with BFAW.

If anything about BFAW is nerfed it should be the number of targets it hits. One beam at a time in a series of attacks as well. Make it seem more like a Phaser spread from the shows.

pulserazor

Like I said, this isnt about DPS, I recognize that achieving your vaunted high score requires more then spacebar mashing, infact it requires an adherence to a formula of traits/passives and boff layouts. Say whatever you want but apart from the skill necessary to research this formula and the ability to generate the appropriate resources there is no way I will concede to the idea that player 'skill' is required. If this was about player skill, then we would all be measuring up to each other in runs that were not ISA over and over again. Runs with more shielded, moving targets, runs without 'hard' targets that don't actually take damage but register it none the less, runs without AI that was so predictably scripted and easy to manipulate and control.

FAW is Dominant META for even more reasons then its ability to generate fattened 'DPS' numbers on the narrow view of a parse log.

I will even concede that the problem isnt FAW, it is Beam Arrays. The reason we think it is FAW is because FAW is the goto skill for Beam Arrays, BO being wasted on anything less then a DBB, and SST being completely intangible, not quantifiable, and generally under-performing. The defensive bonuses from not having to vary speed to achieve a firing arc solution alone make beam arrays immeasurably better then anything else, to say nothing of the numerous traits and passive bonuses to maintaining maximum throttle. If Beam arrays are going to allow us to cash in on these defensive bonuses, we should at least generate more threat from them, and we should certainly gnerate more threat from a skill like Fire At Will.

People used to lament STO as 'Escorts Online' - well, now it is 'FAW Cruisers Online'.

While there are some people whom through considerable study and expended resources produce amazing results from FAW, the fact is that they are a small section of the people who are using FAW, and the majority of players who you will meet in a public que are indeed effectively jamming a spacebar bind and feeling superior from it because the game rewards them for it, while skilled players are working hard to achieve objectives with actual skill and cooldown management, and intelligent target prioritization.


It saddens me that I can get such a dramatic increase in the effectiveness of a ship simply by replacing skills with FAW, and weapons with Beam Arrays.

p4hajuju

That is really a joystick for anyone that uses spacebar macros.
And nerfing has been mentioned!

NERF EVERYTHING!

ktyrrell

pulserazor wrote: »

holy TRIBBLE! Where did you find this?

tacticalrook

ktyrrell wrote: »

pulserazor wrote: »

holy TRIBBLE! Where did you find this?

It originally came from this old ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTXGhhgVRmw

horizons2052

I actually find this whole discussion funny, its very existence even. I mean, you know how many people I know that read all the forum posts, use stobuild and read all the reddit posts and STILL have a hard time pushing 30k+ using bfaw? And here I am using fleet beam arrays only upgraded to MK XIV Ultra Rare, pushing nearly 60k DPS and I don't keybind, I do all that myself, manually. Just imagine how embarrassing it is for someone to be in the room with me who has all the epic MK XIV gear running the Crtd pen weapons and they are having a hard time even breaking 50k. Knowing what I know today, I would be embarrassed. When all my equipment is epic, I will certainly be pushing 60k on the regular, as it is now I am in the top 7% of all players playing STO(had to point that out for anyone who was going to come in here acting all big and bad talking about 100k+), and top 7% is a pretty comfortable spot for me as a pure 100% free to play player. You will get no complaints from me about the game, just about its players.