feds don't care about treaties in less it gives them an excuse to look down on someones else. and yes it does.
Why would anyone hold to a treaty with a nation that no longer exists?
actually the star empire does still exist it just can't kick as hrd as it used to where did you thing sela got her ships from?
which proves my point their only mostly dead and the federation still feel it ok to break treaty because they can't call them out on it in a forceful manner any more.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
feds don't care about treaties in less it gives them an excuse to look down on someones else. and yes it does.
Why would anyone hold to a treaty with a nation that no longer exists?
actually the star empire does still exist it just can't kick as hrd as it used to where did you thing sela got her ships from?
which proves my point their only mostly dead and the federation still feel it ok to break treaty because they can't call them out on it in a forceful manner any more.
Different Star Empire.
The old Romulan Star Empire ended with Romulus.
Taris and/or Sela (I forget) started a new Romulan Star Empire but they had to build a new government with the Senate and Praetor dead. (Technically, there might have been more transition than that. After Hobus, going by the comic -- which had some STO tie-ins, Nero killed the Praetor, declared himself Praetor, and was sent back in time before he could do anything.)
I believe the thing suggested in game blogs was that Starfleet considers the treaty invalidated by the reformation of the government after it collapsed in the Hobus incident but the Federation president is uncomfortable with flaunting that legal interpretation too much so they're taking it easy on how many ships they give a cloak to.
feds don't care about treaties in less it gives them an excuse to look down on someones else. and yes it does.
Why would anyone hold to a treaty with a nation that no longer exists?
actually the star empire does still exist it just can't kick as hrd as it used to where did you thing sela got her ships from?
which proves my point their only mostly dead and the federation still feel it ok to break treaty because they can't call them out on it in a forceful manner any more.
Different Star Empire.
The old Romulan Star Empire ended with Romulus.
Taris and/or Sela (I forget) started a new Romulan Star Empire but they had to build a new government with the Senate and Praetor dead. (Technically, there might have been more transition than that. After Hobus, going by the comic -- which had some STO tie-ins, Nero killed the Praetor, declared himself Praetor, and was sent back in time before he could do anything.)
I believe the thing suggested in game blogs was that Starfleet considers the treaty invalidated by the reformation of the government after it collapsed in the Hobus incident but the Federation president is uncomfortable with flaunting that legal interpretation too much so they're taking it easy on how many ships they give a cloak to.
for good reason, it at best abuse a loophole to violate the spirit if the treaty. it be understandable if it was the romulan's doing but for the federation it goes rather firmly against their stated character as perfect mary sue goodly two shoes. personally it does seem to be in character for the self rightous hypocrite Interpretation of the federation.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I have not used any sort of cloak since I quit PVP. I figured no one else really cared about them anymore as well. Can't remember the last time I saw anyone cloak up in a PVE event.
I have not used any sort of cloak since I quit PVP. I figured no one else really cared about them anymore as well. Can't remember the last time I saw anyone cloak up in a PVE event.
you my friend couldn't be more wrong... I personally rarely don't. granted I fly alot of kdf and rom ships, my fed is pretty out of date. and outside grind events I stick to battlezones too finish my reps, where it is pretty easy to miss a cloaker.
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I have to agree. The Treaty of Algeron is pretty much Void now as the Star Empire that signed the treaty alongside the Federation doesn't exist anymore. What we have is a Remnant faction still trying to pass itself off as a Galactic Superpower so as not to appear weak. Also for a while it was taken control of by the Tal Shiar, which resorted to essentially Terrorist Actions, thus weakening the Remnant's credibility as a legit government.
Legally the Treaty is defunct. However the Federation isn't going to just jump on the Cloak Wagon instantly because of it. Their design philosophy doesn't account for Cloak tech, and technically the Federation is behind in developing said Cloak tech of their own because of the Treaty. The closest they had was the Pegasus Phase Cloak, but that was still a violation of Treaty and was decomissioned after being turned over by Commander Riker and Captain Picard to Starfleet.
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I don't mind, TBH. If this was a built in battle cloak on a Fed ship or the Cloaking Device Console granting Battle Cloak outright on its own, then I'm going to have issue. But to have this single ship with Battle Cloak, the player has to give up 3 spots to achieve it: Quad Phasers + 2 Console Slots.
I can think of plenty of other energy weapons to better work on the Defiant than Quads which annoyingly drain Engine Power in addition to other things, much less giving up 2 console slots.
I have not used any sort of cloak since I quit PVP. I figured no one else really cared about them anymore as well. Can't remember the last time I saw anyone cloak up in a PVE event.
Your loss. Especially on my Romulans and klinks decloak bonus is too good to pass up.
On my feds i primarily focus on survivability and not alpha strike due to my fed main being an engineer.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Well the Pegasus cloak was highly advanced, nothing could touch it tech wise even now. Theoretically it's a perfect cloak that defies all anti-cloak measures and then some because the ship actually phases out of our spacetime Continuum. If it was mass deployed it would crush anything the other races could throw at it. However, mass production woukd inevitably lead to theft so it should be used on a small scale for important strategic missions.
I hope the new series takes place around the same time as the game or atleast after the hobus incident as that is an excellant story right there. I would like to see a story arc where the Romulon's recover and the federation through their committed assistance begins to help them overcome centuries of xenophobia and propaganda.
We know most races join the federation in a few centuries and this could lay the foundation for that.
yah, as said, not a cannon fan, and if i were there are better cannons than the quad. second, the cloak is a console, and there are far far better uses for that slot. not sure I would even consider it unless I were making a quantum bomber, using the quads and CRF to take shields down
Hmm. Have to replace the DMGx3[Pen] Quantum for the Quad, but I think it could work...
I have to agree. The Treaty of Algeron is pretty much Void now as the Star Empire that signed the treaty alongside the Federation doesn't exist anymore. What we have is a Remnant faction still trying to pass itself off as a Galactic Superpower so as not to appear weak. Also for a while it was taken control of by the Tal Shiar, which resorted to essentially Terrorist Actions, thus weakening the Remnant's credibility as a legit government.
Legally the Treaty is defunct. However the Federation isn't going to just jump on the Cloak Wagon instantly because of it. Their design philosophy doesn't account for Cloak tech, and technically the Federation is behind in developing said Cloak tech of their own because of the Treaty. The closest they had was the Pegasus Phase Cloak, but that was still a violation of Treaty and was decommissioned after being turned over by Commander Riker and Captain Picard to Starfleet.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Under legal law, the Treaty is defunct and no longer valid as the Romulan Star Empire that was existent while that treaty was valid, was destroyed in the wake of the Hobus Incident. And it is true that the Federation is indeed behind in the field of developing Cloaking Devices. The Defiant Class is one of the ships that finally got the Battle Cloak upgrade in 2410 (Which is currently the in-game year post Klingon-Federation War), which means, the Federation is beginning to catch up in terms of cloaking technology, but it has yet to go as far as the KDF and Romulan Republic have gone.
Since there was no Series or Movies that covers post DS9, Voyager, etc. or Hobus blowing up time or any of the stuff in this game and in the made up Path to 2409, no one can say what may have been agreed to.
Jumping to the conclusion that Feds violated the Treaty is baseless. Instead of an FE that brings us to the signing of the Temporal Accords maybe they should do one to bring us to the signing of Algeron II instead to stop this insane prattle.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
So feds now are getting a battle cloak. For those that don't know what I am talking about here is a cut/paste from the tribble patch notes:
Updated the Tactical Escort variant's Stealth Fighter item set to include the Phaser Quad Cannons.
This set now has a 3 piece bonus which upgrades the Cloaking Device's cloak to Battle Cloak.
Thanks cryptic *rolls eyes*. No real point in playing kdf or rom anymore. R.I.P. Kdf and Roms.
I believe it was the Klingons who stole the technology from the Rommys
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Actually I think the Klingons got cloak tech in a trade with Romulans, giving the Romulans some D7 Battlecruisers in return.
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So feds now are getting a battle cloak. For those that don't know what I am talking about here is a cut/paste from the tribble patch notes:
Updated the Tactical Escort variant's Stealth Fighter item set to include the Phaser Quad Cannons.
This set now has a 3 piece bonus which upgrades the Cloaking Device's cloak to Battle Cloak.
Thanks cryptic *rolls eyes*. No real point in playing kdf or rom anymore. R.I.P. Kdf and Roms.
I believe it was the Klingons who stole the technology from the Rommys
while romulan stole d-7s and they both let each other... or maybe they traded techology and people who like forcing stupid dumb warrior stereotype on scifi spacefaring empires like saying otherwise.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
While I'm a big fan of "if you're going to play the equality card, then equality should be applied in all directions, let's see a KDF-Vesta...", I'll toss something else out...
I would love to see a dev response, in 3-6 months, in the next "Feds need Battlecloak (or EBC)" thread, along the lines of:
Due to lack of sales (or metrics demonstrating use) of the Defiant 3pc set's battlecloak, it has been determined that further imports of cloak to the Federation is a waste of development time for no return.
Honestly, that "type" of fairness would be... most appropriate...
So feds now are getting a battle cloak. For those that don't know what I am talking about here is a cut/paste from the tribble patch notes:
Updated the Tactical Escort variant's Stealth Fighter item set to include the Phaser Quad Cannons.
This set now has a 3 piece bonus which upgrades the Cloaking Device's cloak to Battle Cloak.
Thanks cryptic *rolls eyes*. No real point in playing kdf or rom anymore. R.I.P. Kdf and Roms.
I believe it was the Klingons who stole the technology from the Rommys
Yes, that is indeed stated ingame in one of the Iconican War episodes.
Actually I think the Klingons got cloak tech in a trade with Romulans, giving the Romulans some D7 Battlecruisers in return.
Nope. Non-canon, out of character, net loss for the Romulans, and contradicts STO.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
So feds now are getting a battle cloak. For those that don't know what I am talking about here is a cut/paste from the tribble patch notes:
Updated the Tactical Escort variant's Stealth Fighter item set to include the Phaser Quad Cannons.
This set now has a 3 piece bonus which upgrades the Cloaking Device's cloak to Battle Cloak.
Thanks cryptic *rolls eyes*. No real point in playing kdf or rom anymore. R.I.P. Kdf and Roms.
I believe it was the Klingons who stole the technology from the Rommys
Yes, that is indeed stated ingame in one of the Iconican War episodes.
Actually I think the Klingons got cloak tech in a trade with Romulans, giving the Romulans some D7 Battlecruisers in return.
Nope. Non-canon, out of character, net loss for the Romulans, and contradicts STO.
Onscreen canon, it has never been stated how the Klingon Empire got cloaking technology. STO as canon is about as reliable as jumping into the ocean using a paper bag as a life preserver.
Onscreen canon, it has never been stated how the Klingon Empire got cloaking technology. STO as canon is about as reliable as jumping into the ocean using a paper bag as a life preserver.
But we are talking about STO, don't we? And when we do that, everything that is not explained within STO itself must take canon as a base. And canon never explicitly stated how the Klingons got the cloak, STO however seems to have gone the "they stole it" route and thus defines it's own lore as using this theory - one I personally dislike, by the way.
Now, the StarTrek.com thing is interesting. While not canon (cannot be, by definiton - there is no "onscreen canon" and "other canon". All "canon" must be derived from on-screen) it seems to be the "official" route which as of now is different from STO's lore. STO makes it's own thing at this point.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I have not used any sort of cloak since I quit PVP. I figured no one else really cared about them anymore as well. Can't remember the last time I saw anyone cloak up in a PVE event.
i cloak a lot in my rom since there is a decent DPS bump coming out of cloak, very handy when soloing the KDF gun in dyson
So feds now are getting a battle cloak. For those that don't know what I am talking about here is a cut/paste from the tribble patch notes:
Updated the Tactical Escort variant's Stealth Fighter item set to include the Phaser Quad Cannons.
This set now has a 3 piece bonus which upgrades the Cloaking Device's cloak to Battle Cloak.
Thanks cryptic *rolls eyes*. No real point in playing kdf or rom anymore. R.I.P. Kdf and Roms.
I believe it was the Klingons who stole the technology from the Rommys
Yes, that is indeed stated ingame in one of the Iconican War episodes.
Actually I think the Klingons got cloak tech in a trade with Romulans, giving the Romulans some D7 Battlecruisers in return.
Nope. Non-canon, out of character, net loss for the Romulans, and contradicts STO.
Onscreen canon, it has never been stated how the Klingon Empire got cloaking technology. STO as canon is about as reliable as jumping into the ocean using a paper bag as a life preserver.
Agreed; canon is a little vague on this one. On one hand, StarTrek.com supports the idea that the Klingons obtained the technology "from the Romulans circa 2268, when the two civilizations shared a political alliance". (http://www.startrek.com/database_article/cloaking-device-klingon)
However, if we go by what was on screen, we know that the Klingons didn't have cloaking tech back in 2151 when Starfleet first encountered Klingon ships - but the Romulans did as seen in 'Minefield' .
So there are only really three ways that the KDF could have obtained cloaking technology:
1: Developed themselves - unlikely, though not entirely impossible.
2: Obtained from the Romulans. This suppports Star Trek.com's article
3: Obtained from the Suliban who are known to have been using the technology as far back as early 2151, although they themselves obtained the tech from 'future guy', so.....
I have to say, option 2 seems the most likely. The Klingons were not using cloaks at the time the NX01 was operational and, chronologically, the first time we saw a Klingon ship use a cloak in canon was STIII, so what little evidence there is does tend to point to them obtaining the tech from the Romulans as the most plausable method.
I don't think there can be debate on the where it's the how that tends. be question. I know one thing though klingons probably didn't pimp out any vulcans to get theres.
So feds now are getting a battle cloak. For those that don't know what I am talking about here is a cut/paste from the tribble patch notes:
Updated the Tactical Escort variant's Stealth Fighter item set to include the Phaser Quad Cannons.
This set now has a 3 piece bonus which upgrades the Cloaking Device's cloak to Battle Cloak.
Thanks cryptic *rolls eyes*. No real point in playing kdf or rom anymore. R.I.P. Kdf and Roms.
I believe it was the Klingons who stole the technology from the Rommys
Yes, that is indeed stated ingame in one of the Iconican War episodes.
Actually I think the Klingons got cloak tech in a trade with Romulans, giving the Romulans some D7 Battlecruisers in return.
Nope. Non-canon, out of character, net loss for the Romulans, and contradicts STO.
sto is non-canon. and it would be in character if romulans give them a few cloaks for a few d-7s thinking the klingons could never reverse engineer the cloak and as it turns out they could. while romulan only get a few ship and maybe a fix for some of their power supply issues. so klingons "stole" cloak.
and keep in mind the source of it being canon in sto is a very upset person who just got a severe shock. and romulans are't know for telling the truth. it wouldn't be out of character for them to lie if a plan to TRIBBLE over someone backfired. and flagship captain, not a history major make.
and it is canon some how romulans started using using d-7s which are point blank klingon ships and klingon some got cloak and canon points to the two empires being alllies for at least a short time. it doesn't take a map to see what likely happaned
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
So feds now are getting a battle cloak. For those that don't know what I am talking about here is a cut/paste from the tribble patch notes:
Updated the Tactical Escort variant's Stealth Fighter item set to include the Phaser Quad Cannons.
This set now has a 3 piece bonus which upgrades the Cloaking Device's cloak to Battle Cloak.
Thanks cryptic *rolls eyes*. No real point in playing kdf or rom anymore. R.I.P. Kdf and Roms.
^^ And about frakkin' high time we did! YAY feds!
Seriously, Roms have been OP for years: it's high time they got 'nerfed' (aka, Feds got a buff, all depending on your POV). Now all we need is SFO's (Superior Federation Operatives) with 2.0% CrtH as well.
Tl;dr: if your only self-confessed reason to play Rom was to be OP, then you deserve this balanance pass more than anyone else!
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actually the star empire does still exist it just can't kick as hrd as it used to where did you thing sela got her ships from?
which proves my point their only mostly dead and the federation still feel it ok to break treaty because they can't call them out on it in a forceful manner any more.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Different Star Empire.
The old Romulan Star Empire ended with Romulus.
Taris and/or Sela (I forget) started a new Romulan Star Empire but they had to build a new government with the Senate and Praetor dead. (Technically, there might have been more transition than that. After Hobus, going by the comic -- which had some STO tie-ins, Nero killed the Praetor, declared himself Praetor, and was sent back in time before he could do anything.)
I believe the thing suggested in game blogs was that Starfleet considers the treaty invalidated by the reformation of the government after it collapsed in the Hobus incident but the Federation president is uncomfortable with flaunting that legal interpretation too much so they're taking it easy on how many ships they give a cloak to.
for good reason, it at best abuse a loophole to violate the spirit if the treaty. it be understandable if it was the romulan's doing but for the federation it goes rather firmly against their stated character as perfect mary sue goodly two shoes. personally it does seem to be in character for the self rightous hypocrite Interpretation of the federation.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
you my friend couldn't be more wrong... I personally rarely don't. granted I fly alot of kdf and rom ships, my fed is pretty out of date. and outside grind events I stick to battlezones too finish my reps, where it is pretty easy to miss a cloaker.
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Legally the Treaty is defunct. However the Federation isn't going to just jump on the Cloak Wagon instantly because of it. Their design philosophy doesn't account for Cloak tech, and technically the Federation is behind in developing said Cloak tech of their own because of the Treaty. The closest they had was the Pegasus Phase Cloak, but that was still a violation of Treaty and was decomissioned after being turned over by Commander Riker and Captain Picard to Starfleet.
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And one more I found that seems so appropriate:
I can think of plenty of other energy weapons to better work on the Defiant than Quads which annoyingly drain Engine Power in addition to other things, much less giving up 2 console slots.
Your loss. Especially on my Romulans and klinks decloak bonus is too good to pass up.
On my feds i primarily focus on survivability and not alpha strike due to my fed main being an engineer.
I hope the new series takes place around the same time as the game or atleast after the hobus incident as that is an excellant story right there. I would like to see a story arc where the Romulon's recover and the federation through their committed assistance begins to help them overcome centuries of xenophobia and propaganda.
We know most races join the federation in a few centuries and this could lay the foundation for that.
Hmm. Have to replace the DMGx3[Pen] Quantum for the Quad, but I think it could work...
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I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Under legal law, the Treaty is defunct and no longer valid as the Romulan Star Empire that was existent while that treaty was valid, was destroyed in the wake of the Hobus Incident. And it is true that the Federation is indeed behind in the field of developing Cloaking Devices. The Defiant Class is one of the ships that finally got the Battle Cloak upgrade in 2410 (Which is currently the in-game year post Klingon-Federation War), which means, the Federation is beginning to catch up in terms of cloaking technology, but it has yet to go as far as the KDF and Romulan Republic have gone.
Jumping to the conclusion that Feds violated the Treaty is baseless. Instead of an FE that brings us to the signing of the Temporal Accords maybe they should do one to bring us to the signing of Algeron II instead to stop this insane prattle.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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while romulan stole d-7s and they both let each other... or maybe they traded techology and people who like forcing stupid dumb warrior stereotype on scifi spacefaring empires like saying otherwise.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
u made my day :-)
Yes, that is indeed stated ingame in one of the Iconican War episodes.
Nope. Non-canon, out of character, net loss for the Romulans, and contradicts STO.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Onscreen canon, it has never been stated how the Klingon Empire got cloaking technology. STO as canon is about as reliable as jumping into the ocean using a paper bag as a life preserver.
But we are talking about STO, don't we? And when we do that, everything that is not explained within STO itself must take canon as a base. And canon never explicitly stated how the Klingons got the cloak, STO however seems to have gone the "they stole it" route and thus defines it's own lore as using this theory - one I personally dislike, by the way.
Now, the StarTrek.com thing is interesting. While not canon (cannot be, by definiton - there is no "onscreen canon" and "other canon". All "canon" must be derived from on-screen) it seems to be the "official" route which as of now is different from STO's lore. STO makes it's own thing at this point.
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i cloak a lot in my rom since there is a decent DPS bump coming out of cloak, very handy when soloing the KDF gun in dyson
I don't think there can be debate on the where it's the how that tends. be question. I know one thing though klingons probably didn't pimp out any vulcans to get theres.
sto is non-canon. and it would be in character if romulans give them a few cloaks for a few d-7s thinking the klingons could never reverse engineer the cloak and as it turns out they could. while romulan only get a few ship and maybe a fix for some of their power supply issues. so klingons "stole" cloak.
and keep in mind the source of it being canon in sto is a very upset person who just got a severe shock. and romulans are't know for telling the truth. it wouldn't be out of character for them to lie if a plan to TRIBBLE over someone backfired. and flagship captain, not a history major make.
and it is canon some how romulans started using using d-7s which are point blank klingon ships and klingon some got cloak and canon points to the two empires being alllies for at least a short time. it doesn't take a map to see what likely happaned
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
and I hear it's super quad phaser cannons are powered by federation envy :P
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
really I hear it's the best cannon feds got... then again it is a cannon. so powerful but limited
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^^ And about frakkin' high time we did! YAY feds!
Seriously, Roms have been OP for years: it's high time they got 'nerfed' (aka, Feds got a buff, all depending on your POV). Now all we need is SFO's (Superior Federation Operatives) with 2.0% CrtH as well.
Tl;dr: if your only self-confessed reason to play Rom was to be OP, then you deserve this balanance pass more than anyone else!