So, the bottom point is "I am a casual player and I have no time to do the 3 minute daily event to obtain a ship I would never be able to use, because I don't even have 3 minutes a day to play STO"? =_='
I really need to make a macro for this thread......
How is it hard to understand? People are away from home, people did not even play STO at the time, etc, etc, there's a dozen solid understandable practical ways in which a current STO customer might not have gotten those f2p accountwide "exclusiveness" ships apart from them standing around in the required event and picking their noses, I imagine almost everyone that was able to SLOT the breen carrier project now OWNS the breen carrier, good for them, not good for newcomers, not good for people who do not login to games regularly, etc.
As someone who started playing at the beginning of last year I missed out on Risian ships as well as previous Breen ships. That in itself is not that big of a deal. Would I like to have them?, sure, especially now with admiralty system. The thing that annoys me is the fact that if you don't have the Samsar you don't have the warp core which is part of the 4-part set with pieces available from dust to dust mission nor the console which makes a 4 part set with the command ships available in c-store (that's a 6000 zen or a a 60$ expensive purchase mind you), no Nandi no 2 part set with D'kora, no previous Breen ships again no 4-part console set and in the case of this years dread no frigates as pets.
As for those whining about how they didn't have time for whatever reason, shut up. The anniversary event takes maybe 15-20 min since you have to go places but both summer event and winter event take 5 maybe 10min tops for some 25 days and they always include extra days in case you miss some. If you can't spare that much time for the damn ship and consider it a grind you might be well of seeking other games or forms of entertainment.
Ow, look, this thread again. Complete with the usual DOOM posts.
I myself am against content, ships et cetera being offered without a future rerun ever. Any new player that started playing STO in 2015 and who got their hands on the Breen Dreadnought, will never be able to acquire the consoles to complete its set. Even better, any player who decides to invest 12000 zen into this game to buy the 9 Command Battlecruisers never can complete the console set. Which is just plain stupid in my opinion.
However, this does not and should not change the fact that Cryptic's rules here are for everybody, from the most F2P person ever till the LTS who sold their mother just to get some Zen. Next to being strongly against limited content that goes away forever afterwards, I am also very strong against unequal treatment of F2P and Gold players, outside of the items they buy when subscribing.
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And since we are shooting opinions here - I've never agreed with this 'exclusivity'. It somewhat destroys the enticement for the newer players. Sure, make special events with items, have them for free when you're here for the event & play in it, but let the others at least to get it in an alternative way. For Zen, Dilithium, or otherwise. Be inclusive, not exclusive.
I've personally wanted a costume piece which was given out in 2012, and the thing is, I came late 2013 - but they never gave it again - and it's more than bumming that there's just no way to get it. I'd pay Zen or even lobi for it at this point. But, I can't. The game won't let me. Given it's trivial and aesthetic only... yep. Bummed.
And I'm fairly sure that there are other people, who'd like to get their hands on items now unavailable, willing to do anything to get them. It's something I wish Cryptic would heed us on, really.
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despite everyone ignoring the obvious there were two distinct exploits in the seasonal events regarding the ships and cryptic chose to close these exploits and personally I cant blame them for doing that, I would have done the same thing if I had been in their shoes.
sure they were exploits of cryptics own creation due to their short sightedness but when they realised their error they were quick to act.
others can bury their head in the sand and pretend that these exploits did not exist if they want but it wont alter the fact that they were there and some players were abusing them.
so if any new players are looking for anyone to blame for the removal of past event ships don't blame cryptic, I suggest you blame the players who were abusing these exploits as it is their fault that the past ships were removed from the game IMO.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Some of the exclusivity stuff written here reminds me of and makes as much sense as this exchange:
Gabby Johnson: I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
Olsen Johnson: Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
"Pro-exclusive" is a label applied from outside looking in. It comes from people who think it's all about them. One of the most positive things about this game is that it has an equitable FTP model. Having events that reward players of that type for time invested is a nice gesture. As an LTS I have a ship that is exclusive to me. Why shouldn't exclusivity come from participation as well? It isn't a punishment for your complacency; It's a gratuity for the people who took part.
Your rant implies that the task before you was difficult. The conditions were negligible. It might have required 5 minutes in the run of a day every other day during the event. I don't understand how someone with a job, "life", and real world responsibilities couldn't accomplish this; A person lacking all the aforementioned more likely. If you have a "life" stop crying about imaginary spaceships. If you grow up, little disappointments like this won't seem like mountains.
Yeah really. Last summer I had very little free time during the event and most days logging once and doing the daily was literally the only thing I had time for. And I did it. Like many others have said, 5 minutes a day is all you need.
And they sell the Dyson Event Reward Science Destroyer in the Lobi Store.
And they sell the Obelisk FE Reward at the Ship Vendor.
And they sell the Advanced Obelisk in the Lobi Store.
And Elite Swarmers...
Don't blame this removal on CBS.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I really need to make a macro for this thread......
How is it hard to understand? People are away from home, people did not even play STO at the time, etc, etc, there's a dozen solid understandable practical ways in which a current STO customer might not have gotten those f2p accountwide "exclusiveness" ships
Well, you'll get another one when you return home/start playing again. There are at least 3 free ships a year for regular special events (summer, winter, anniversary), sometimes more, I don't think it's *that* bad to miss one free ship if you happen to be so far from civilization as to have no pc and internet for an entire month and fail to receive event related emails.
I mean, if you are living an adventure on the Himalaya, or you are stationed aboard the ISS [just learned they have laptops and internet there], do you really care about a STO ship?
And they sell the Dyson Event Reward Science Destroyer in the Lobi Store.
And they sell the Obelisk FE Reward at the Ship Vendor.
And they sell the Advanced Obelisk in the Lobi Store.
And Elite Swarmers...
Don't blame this removal on CBS.
it was just a vague recollection that there was some rule regarding non faction ships, where the rule come from and what the exact wording of the rule was or if it even existed I cant remember for sure.
having said that I am not blaming CBS for the removal of the ships, just saying that if the rule does exist in some form it could limit the way in which such ships can be awarded.
as it is very unlikely they will show again in an event this limits the way they could be obtained even further.
if posters in this forum were to stop harping on about the ships and focused on the special set items that come with the ships they might find that they get better results, my final word on this matter.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Which was exactly what my post was about in another one of the plethora of Threads on this topic - Consoles and Space Set equipment that can be used on other ships.
That was my main concern with the FE Dyson Science Destroyer. Had a Core that was part of a four piece and had the Best Secondary Deflector. You want it for your characters that were not born yet, sure, 600 Lobi, thank you. Now at least that is available to all characters on an Account once unlocked. At the time it was originally put in the Lobi Store I had advocated for making the items available separately in the Lobi Store.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
These ships would NEVER go to the C-Store; Lobi, Event, Lockbox Special Prize, or anything other than that. C-Store, I believe, wouldn't be allowed by CBS, for whatever that means.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I wish they'd rerun older events so alts/new players would have a chance to get them, but it doesn't look like they will. The next best thing is putting the retired ships in the lobi store like they did with the DSD. It would just be nice if the lobi ships would be account-wide, like c-store ships are.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
All time sensitive unlocks should be available for vets/LTS at their leisure, they supported the game and paid for that right, and they are more likely to have "real lives" which preclude STO pilgrimages like clockwork three times a year, because as fun as it is, let's face it, it's just a game, one of THOUSANDS of f2p/microtrans games.
Initially I was right there with some of the players who were basically saying "LTS I MUST RULE!! RAH RAH RAH" and other TRIBBLE like that. I thought you were just another one of those lifers who were trying to TRIBBLE the F2Pers out of some of the stuff in the game, saying that you deserve more than us etc. However, then I bothered to read the rest of your post, and I will instead say something I never thought I would.
I think you're right.
I don't think you guys should get more content than us. Or if you do, it should be trivial, like what you already have (ie the Titles, the Captain's Table, the Lifer destroyers (ok, those aren't trivial, they're actually pretty cool)). HOWEVER. I do think you guys can probably be afforded more privileges, like what you suggested. Getting more time to get the exclusive content isn't such a bad idea. But I think there should be limitations.
Yes, you guys can probably get an infinite extension on the time you have to get the event ships etc. But I also think you guys should first have to log in during the actual event, then run at least one of whatever the event requires to get that ship (in the winter, the race, in the summer, the flying thing, and anniversary, whatever cryptic came up with for that respective year). I think once you've done that at least once DURING THE EVENT, then sure, you guys should be able to go back and do it at your leisure, but only until you've gotten the required amount, after which I think you should be locked out like the rest of us.
A decent compromise methinks. HBU OP?
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Remember, the Dyson Destroyer that went into the Lobi Store is also one of the Ships that earned an Event Account-wide unlock. Does anyone have that ship exclusively from the Lobi Store and did it provide an Account-wide unlock?
If that is the case then precedent is there for other Event Ships. Also note, that the Dyson Lobi was the ONLY ship that was bind to character on acquire.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
it amazes me how many people come out with the "I have got work, family, life" TRIBBLE to excuse not playing timed events, they seem to be under some illusion that the only players who do take part in these events don't have any of these things.
the best laugh is the "I was away from home on vacation/business" rubbish excuse.
they get no sympathy from me as I have work a family and a full life outside of sto but I can always spare the few minutes a day it takes to get the ships while the events are running and amazingly I have often been away from home during the events but my laptop and mobile internet goes with me so even that doesn't stop me taking part.
so from one lifer to another either make time or don't but either way don't think your lifetime sub gives you the right to gain rewards without having to play the game when they are available.
in any case as you are a casual player you should not need many ships if you cant spare the time to actually use them.
the sheer arrogance and presumption in this quote is so much, it makes me wonder if the one in the quote has lost his mind to insanity for a moment and forgot what his day it is let alone trying to tell the difference between a life and a hole in the ground... but if it floats his boat, who am i to tell him to stop and think right? he thinks hes so right i will leave him to it.
seriously? i mean there are jobs out there that can go from 8-12 hours a day,plus travel time, plus work breaks, plus food shopping, family matters and other matters that may come up to ruin the day further. that does not leave any room for games and even if it does, the window is so small there may not be any point in trying.
funnily enough "arrogance and presumption" were the two words that sprang to mind when I read the opening post, sure there are jobs and jobs I work 12 hours a day not including traveling time, I put in 60 hours a week, sometimes I work 74 hours a week if I have to cover shifts, I work days, nights, week ends and bank holidays, I was even working Christmas day.
I have a home life and a large family and I socialise a lot, obviously with a home and a large family I also have a lot of family matters and other matters to deal with.
funnily enough I still find time to play the event and get the ships.
but like I said if you haven't got that short amount of time to spare why care if you don't get the ship you haven't got time to use it anyway.
as I do not support outrage of OP (yeah the issue is there but by raging on forums we won;t change things... i think) that I aggree with him that your response is slightly out of place.
I don't know if you feel insecure or something about if your social life is social enought for society standard but truth is that they are people that in certain months/weeks are more busy than you - that they have more than enought stuff on their heads to not be able to participate in the event for the ship, even if you have so much social life family etc and still have time for doing so.
also not everyone can afford good enought mobile internet to play event when on vacation.
so Your rant about "rubbish excuses" is more rubbish than these excuses - just saying....
and on topic of exclusivity - oh I missed 2 week timeframe for reasons, shoudl that mean that I should not be able to even see if I'll like that ship? (not mentioning item sets hat for previous 2 anniversaries were bound to these ships..., warp core from deyson sci destroyer, console from samsar cruiser....
we had all of these complaints when they retired the past summer ships, we had them again when they retired the past winter ships surely by now you have all got the message that all these rants are serving no purpose at all.
As if retiring ships just because they can or for this 'exclusivity' thing serves any purpose. I've pointed out, several times, that it serves no purpose at all, that it's in fact bad for the game since they're missing money and play time from those that are interested in ships that are already there anyway.
Besides, there may be a purpose. I can't speak for the other 'ranters', as you call them (I'd rather say they're worried and disappointed players). But the reason I've posted in the threads of all the retired ships is because I assume that the company is ruled by reasonable people who are willing to consider arguments. So far, we haven't heard any arguments from them as to why this would be a good decision, beside some vague terms like 'exclusiveness' (which in itself is no valid argument when there's so many good counter-arguments). All we get are those who defend the decision and who call those who oppose it 'whiners', we're even discussing how busy one has to be before he can rightfully claim that he didn't have the time to play during the event.
Add to that the lack of information regarding console sets (for example, with the Command Cruisers) and no official response as to whether these ships or their important parts will be made available through other means (which has been respectfully requested by various people on multiple occasions) or if we will ever see a re-run event and I'm not surprised that people are annoyed.
I had hoped that we would see an official blog post, here on the Forum, that answers these questions. I know, that if I had made a decision such as this one, I would have done such a thing, but only after the decision was entirely made for all the events. Which happened this evening. Of course they wouldn't start the debate over and over again, - that is, starting a debate after retiring the summer ships, the winter ships and the anniversary ships-, but now that all event ships have been officially declared retired, it would be the right moment to adress these issues and answer these questions.
Until then, I can fully understand that people keep asking these questions. It's not like we've received any real explanations why this change was made, suddenly, without properly informing everyone when it still could make a difference.
Because they own the game and they said so, only reason they need or ever will need.
Sorry, but that's just too simple. Like all companies, they have to consider the wishes and concerns of their customers, even if it's just a single customer that has legitimate concerns or is showing understandable disappointment.
And even if it were the only reason they need: like I said, I assume the company is run by reasonable people who can explain their actions to make things easier acceptable. Or at least respond to good suggestions that have been made (those who support this decision may pretend that people are only complaining but that's just not true). I'm sure that if they at least presented some good reasons, and provide more information as to their future plans, that it would benefit themselves as well.
WRONG. You should NEVER EVER bend your company to the whim of a single customer. Legitimate or not, that opens floodgates. You have polices and you hold to said policies. If buisness drops, you may wish to look at those policies again...but the whole customer is always right is the biggest load of crock in buisness. No, the customer is usually quite wrong. And usually don't want to pay for what they just got...and will complain about it anyways. I saw a women at macy complain that the shoe she gotten was poorly made because it broke in two outings. Well, funny thing...those shoes looked too small for her...and the soles were worn. I was at a cafe where a customer asked for his burger medium rare...and then complained that the meat was pink in the middle after he ate 3/4 of it. I saw a customer complain that his 245 wide tires had uneven wear...because he stuck it on a 7 in wide rim so it basically didn't fit. And when the tire shop tried to explain WHY he was having that issue, he demanded that they replace his tire for free and with the same 245 wide tires. The funny part...he didn't even buy the tires from them...he ordered them from the tire rack. I had a customer ask me if the veggitarian chili was veggitarian. I had one ask me if butter cream had any dairy in it. I had one that sent an eggs benedict because it had eggs in it. I had somebody send back a creme brulee because it had "burnt" sugar on it...twice. You know, some people have different tastes on how much carmelization they may want so I redid it with SUPER light torching so it had the barest brown...the moron sent it back again. I just did a party where a women called to say she ran out of food and complaining about how we didn't make enough food and we are terrible and all that. The reason? Because she had 65 guests for her event and she ordered for 40. Well...no TRIBBLE you ran out of food. So...yeah...no, just no.
LOL, woooweee this made me laugh, God help society, and thnx for the laugh coldnapalm!
Coldnapalm should still be ashamed of himself... burning that poor customers creme brulee... I'm sure it was no where near the boxed stuff that the customer so loved...
The Dyson Destroyers in the Lobi Store were not account-wide unlocks originally, did they turn so after the last Summer Event after they added it to the Event Store?
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
WRONG. You should NEVER EVER bend your company to the whim of a single customer. Legitimate or not, that opens floodgates. You have polices and you hold to said policies. If buisness drops, you may wish to look at those policies again...but the whole customer is always right is the biggest load of crock in buisness. No, the customer is usually quite wrong. And usually don't want to pay for what they just got...and will complain about it anyways. I saw a women at macy complain that the shoe she gotten was poorly made because it broke in two outings. Well, funny thing...those shoes looked too small for her...and the soles were worn. I was at a cafe where a customer asked for his burger medium rare...and then complained that the meat was pink in the middle after he ate 3/4 of it. I saw a customer complain that his 245 wide tires had uneven wear...because he stuck it on a 7 in wide rim so it basically didn't fit. And when the tire shop tried to explain WHY he was having that issue, he demanded that they replace his tire for free and with the same 245 wide tires. The funny part...he didn't even buy the tires from them...he ordered them from the tire rack. I had a customer ask me if the veggitarian chili was veggitarian. I had one ask me if butter cream had any dairy in it. I had one that sent an eggs benedict because it had eggs in it. I had somebody send back a creme brulee because it had "burnt" sugar on it...twice. You know, some people have different tastes on how much carmelization they may want so I redid it with SUPER light torching so it had the barest brown...the moron sent it back again. I just did a party where a women called to say she ran out of food and complaining about how we didn't make enough food and we are terrible and all that. The reason? Because she had 65 guests for her event and she ordered for 40. Well...no TRIBBLE you ran out of food. So...yeah...no, just no.
there is also a theory that goes back to old days of television, that for every person who takes the time to complain, there are 8 who are just as unhappy but did not take the time. that theory saved a poor ratings show in the 60s from being cancelled in it's second season.. you might know it. it was called Star Trek.
I'm rather unhappy that they are retiring all these vouchers of various types. for the risa event I ran the stupid courses every day on 3 toons, just so i would not have to be aggravated next year.. or the one after that, just a couple and shwing! I'm in. now here come Cryptic with a bug up their TRIBBLE, and i'll have to do the complete grind again
I really need to make a macro for this thread......
How is it hard to understand? People are away from home, people did not even play STO at the time, etc, etc, there's a dozen solid understandable practical ways in which a current STO customer might not have gotten those f2p accountwide "exclusiveness" ships apart from them standing around in the required event and picking their noses, I imagine almost everyone that was able to SLOT the breen carrier project now OWNS the breen carrier, good for them, not good for newcomers, not good for people who do not login to games regularly, etc.
how about the ships pre account unlock? I'd love to have some of my newer toons be able to fly the ORIGINAL oddy, or be able to score the two risain ships
I started playing this game in February of 2012. This Winter Event was the first one where I went for the ship. While I now wish I had done so with the earlier ships, it is water under the bridge. Will they come back some day? Only pwe/cryptic knows for sure. In the meantime, I am playing and enjoying the game we have right now. Instead of throwing a public hissy fit in here over some stuff I cannot get.
Lots of players in this game have items and ships I cannot get nor have a chance to acquire currently. I'm okay with this. I suspect more than a few other players are okay with it as well. It is an MMO. There will always be things I cannot acquire for various reasons. I do not understand the Pokemon mentality displayed in threads such as these. I most certainly do not have to catch them all to enjoy this game.
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Agreed. Well said, Thunderfoot. While I'm disappointed that I waited till this year to try for a winter ship, it's not breaking my heart that I only have the Rezreth. I also missed out on the DSD because I didn't do that event either. Now I wish I had, but that ship sailed (flew) too.
I enjoy the game for the most part, even though I take regular breaks from it. I'll wait and see what ship is in the Anniversary event and then probably go for it at least for the card.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
I've not agreed with this exclusivity thing, either. In all honesty, I never believed it had anything to do with exclusivity or to put more value in limited time items, it had 100% to do with people who had the foresight to plan ahead for next year's event. Cryptic didn't have that foresight to plan ahead, so the players aren't allowed to, either. But Cryptic can't just come out and say they want to punish the players for their own in-house mistakes. They have to use meaningless buzz words like "exclusivity" to justify their decision.
To put that many labor hours into a ship that you're only going to give out for a month is, in my opinion, a poor decision to make. There is no reason to make this sort of thing exclusive. You put a lot of work into making these really awesome ships -- and I think it does players a disservice that it won't be available more often. You have entire blogs devoted to the hype. You're clearly proud of your work. You have every right to be. The ships in this game look fantastic and they're fun to fly.
This artificial scarcity might work great for the Disney Vault, but it rings hollow in a game like STO.
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How is it hard to understand? People are away from home, people did not even play STO at the time, etc, etc, there's a dozen solid understandable practical ways in which a current STO customer might not have gotten those f2p accountwide "exclusiveness" ships apart from them standing around in the required event and picking their noses, I imagine almost everyone that was able to SLOT the breen carrier project now OWNS the breen carrier, good for them, not good for newcomers, not good for people who do not login to games regularly, etc.
As for those whining about how they didn't have time for whatever reason, shut up. The anniversary event takes maybe 15-20 min since you have to go places but both summer event and winter event take 5 maybe 10min tops for some 25 days and they always include extra days in case you miss some. If you can't spare that much time for the damn ship and consider it a grind you might be well of seeking other games or forms of entertainment.
I myself am against content, ships et cetera being offered without a future rerun ever. Any new player that started playing STO in 2015 and who got their hands on the Breen Dreadnought, will never be able to acquire the consoles to complete its set. Even better, any player who decides to invest 12000 zen into this game to buy the 9 Command Battlecruisers never can complete the console set. Which is just plain stupid in my opinion.
However, this does not and should not change the fact that Cryptic's rules here are for everybody, from the most F2P person ever till the LTS who sold their mother just to get some Zen. Next to being strongly against limited content that goes away forever afterwards, I am also very strong against unequal treatment of F2P and Gold players, outside of the items they buy when subscribing.
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And since we are shooting opinions here - I've never agreed with this 'exclusivity'. It somewhat destroys the enticement for the newer players. Sure, make special events with items, have them for free when you're here for the event & play in it, but let the others at least to get it in an alternative way. For Zen, Dilithium, or otherwise. Be inclusive, not exclusive.
I've personally wanted a costume piece which was given out in 2012, and the thing is, I came late 2013 - but they never gave it again - and it's more than bumming that there's just no way to get it. I'd pay Zen or even lobi for it at this point. But, I can't. The game won't let me. Given it's trivial and aesthetic only... yep. Bummed.
And I'm fairly sure that there are other people, who'd like to get their hands on items now unavailable, willing to do anything to get them. It's something I wish Cryptic would heed us on, really.
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sure they were exploits of cryptics own creation due to their short sightedness but when they realised their error they were quick to act.
others can bury their head in the sand and pretend that these exploits did not exist if they want but it wont alter the fact that they were there and some players were abusing them.
so if any new players are looking for anyone to blame for the removal of past event ships don't blame cryptic, I suggest you blame the players who were abusing these exploits as it is their fault that the past ships were removed from the game IMO.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Gabby Johnson: I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
Olsen Johnson: Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My character Tsin'xing
And they sell the Obelisk FE Reward at the Ship Vendor.
And they sell the Advanced Obelisk in the Lobi Store.
And Elite Swarmers...
Don't blame this removal on CBS.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Well, you'll get another one when you return home/start playing again. There are at least 3 free ships a year for regular special events (summer, winter, anniversary), sometimes more, I don't think it's *that* bad to miss one free ship if you happen to be so far from civilization as to have no pc and internet for an entire month and fail to receive event related emails.
I mean, if you are living an adventure on the Himalaya, or you are stationed aboard the ISS [just learned they have laptops and internet there], do you really care about a STO ship?
it was just a vague recollection that there was some rule regarding non faction ships, where the rule come from and what the exact wording of the rule was or if it even existed I cant remember for sure.
having said that I am not blaming CBS for the removal of the ships, just saying that if the rule does exist in some form it could limit the way in which such ships can be awarded.
as it is very unlikely they will show again in an event this limits the way they could be obtained even further.
if posters in this forum were to stop harping on about the ships and focused on the special set items that come with the ships they might find that they get better results, my final word on this matter.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
That was my main concern with the FE Dyson Science Destroyer. Had a Core that was part of a four piece and had the Best Secondary Deflector. You want it for your characters that were not born yet, sure, 600 Lobi, thank you. Now at least that is available to all characters on an Account once unlocked. At the time it was originally put in the Lobi Store I had advocated for making the items available separately in the Lobi Store.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
These ships would NEVER go to the C-Store; Lobi, Event, Lockbox Special Prize, or anything other than that. C-Store, I believe, wouldn't be allowed by CBS, for whatever that means.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Initially I was right there with some of the players who were basically saying "LTS I MUST RULE!! RAH RAH RAH" and other TRIBBLE like that. I thought you were just another one of those lifers who were trying to TRIBBLE the F2Pers out of some of the stuff in the game, saying that you deserve more than us etc. However, then I bothered to read the rest of your post, and I will instead say something I never thought I would.
I think you're right.
I don't think you guys should get more content than us. Or if you do, it should be trivial, like what you already have (ie the Titles, the Captain's Table, the Lifer destroyers (ok, those aren't trivial, they're actually pretty cool)). HOWEVER. I do think you guys can probably be afforded more privileges, like what you suggested. Getting more time to get the exclusive content isn't such a bad idea. But I think there should be limitations.
Yes, you guys can probably get an infinite extension on the time you have to get the event ships etc. But I also think you guys should first have to log in during the actual event, then run at least one of whatever the event requires to get that ship (in the winter, the race, in the summer, the flying thing, and anniversary, whatever cryptic came up with for that respective year). I think once you've done that at least once DURING THE EVENT, then sure, you guys should be able to go back and do it at your leisure, but only until you've gotten the required amount, after which I think you should be locked out like the rest of us.
A decent compromise methinks. HBU OP?
If that is the case then precedent is there for other Event Ships. Also note, that the Dyson Lobi was the ONLY ship that was bind to character on acquire.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
LOL, woooweee this made me laugh, God help society, and thnx for the laugh coldnapalm!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I've got some cheddar popcorn....
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
there is also a theory that goes back to old days of television, that for every person who takes the time to complain, there are 8 who are just as unhappy but did not take the time. that theory saved a poor ratings show in the 60s from being cancelled in it's second season.. you might know it. it was called Star Trek.
I'm rather unhappy that they are retiring all these vouchers of various types. for the risa event I ran the stupid courses every day on 3 toons, just so i would not have to be aggravated next year.. or the one after that, just a couple and shwing! I'm in. now here come Cryptic with a bug up their TRIBBLE, and i'll have to do the complete grind again
Lots of players in this game have items and ships I cannot get nor have a chance to acquire currently. I'm okay with this. I suspect more than a few other players are okay with it as well. It is an MMO. There will always be things I cannot acquire for various reasons. I do not understand the Pokemon mentality displayed in threads such as these. I most certainly do not have to catch them all to enjoy this game.
I enjoy the game for the most part, even though I take regular breaks from it. I'll wait and see what ship is in the Anniversary event and then probably go for it at least for the card.
To put that many labor hours into a ship that you're only going to give out for a month is, in my opinion, a poor decision to make. There is no reason to make this sort of thing exclusive. You put a lot of work into making these really awesome ships -- and I think it does players a disservice that it won't be available more often. You have entire blogs devoted to the hype. You're clearly proud of your work. You have every right to be. The ships in this game look fantastic and they're fun to fly.
This artificial scarcity might work great for the Disney Vault, but it rings hollow in a game like STO.
Just my two quatloos.