Should the scimitar become a cross-faction ship?

x1c3c0ldx

The scimitar(T5-U) is still the best tactical vessel in the game, with no real equivalent on the Federation side.
Perhaps this issue is mentioned before, I don't know but from what I heard from a large part of the community, is that they would agree to
this 'potential' improvement to the Federation and would create a more leveled playing field in the top range of the DPS League.

lordsteve1

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

No.

Let's keep faction ships limited to their own factions please.
And besides there are plenty of federation ships that could wipe the floor with a Scimitar if piloted well and kitted out properly.

angrytarg

The Scimitar IS a cross-faction ship. Romulans aren't a faction, they are cross-faction character. Only factions are KDF and Starfleet.​​

ltminns

This Poll will draw a lot of churn and NOT end well.

harlequinpixie

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

Feds have enough already, if the Scimitar became a federation ship, what is the point of making a Romulan?

bergins

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

OK, my first impression of this poll was "Great, look at the biased questions." The choices are:
1. Vote for the OP's choice.
2. Vote that ships that might not actually exist do (Really, the Scimitar is the most OP ship ingame, Feds have more selection, but not the utter OP-ness) or...
3. I don't want equality.

Obviously, the way the questions were worded, we are supposed to pick the first choice. Doesn't seem right.

This was, however, one of the first polls I remember that offered twice as many choices to vote against the OP's choice as the opinion that wanted. One Yes choice, two No choices.

While I'm all for equality, I chose the "I don't care" choice because while I disagree with the second choice, the problem isn't the Scimitar, it is the SRO BOffs.

lamyrs

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

If you want a scimitar, go play rom, that's all. And if it was so op like you are saying, there will be more than 13% playing the rom side.

meimeitoo

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

bergins wrote: »

OK, my first impression of this poll was "Great, look at the biased questions." The choices are:
1. Vote for the OP's choice.
2. Vote that ships that might not actually exist do (Really, the Scimitar is the most OP ship ingame, Feds have more selection, but not the utter OP-ness) or...
3. .

Obviously, the way the questions were worded, we are supposed to pick the first choice. Doesn't seem right.

This was, however, one of the first polls I remember that offered twice as many choices to vote against the OP's choice as the opinion that wanted. One Yes choice, two No choices.

While I'm all for equality, I chose the "I don't care" choice because while I disagree with the second choice, the problem isn't the Scimitar, it is the SRO BOffs.

^^ My thoughts exactly! And LOL @ "I don't care for equal playing field."

I say no, simply because the Scimitar is *the* Rom-defining ship. I, as a Fed, would look silly flying in it. Then we might as well throw all canon out the window.

I *will* take the option to be able to use an all-SRO crew, though. Don't blab to me about Kemo and 'balance', when giving Roms exclusive access to an all-SRO crew is as unbalanced as it gets.

angrytarg

meimeitoo wrote: »

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I *will* take the option to be able to use an all-SRO crew, though. Don't blab to me about Kemo and 'balance', when giving Roms exclusive access to an all-SRO crew is as unbalanced as it gets.

Romulans are not a faction. Both Feds and KDF can play Romulans, it's open for both. If Romulans were a third faction and we'd have RvR you'd have a point, but as it stands that's not the case.​​

whitewhale80

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

Two points-

The DPS league folk represent everything wrong with the game, can't play for fun has to be for the numbers!

And

The feds don't have enough of an immense fleet advantage you want to give them the one ship that maybe kinda makes some of the Rom endgame have a useful point? Right...

lamyrs

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

angrytarg wrote: »

meimeitoo wrote: »

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I *will* take the option to be able to use an all-SRO crew, though. Don't blab to me about Kemo and 'balance', when giving Roms exclusive access to an all-SRO crew is as unbalanced as it gets.

Romulans are not a faction. Both Feds and KDF can play Romulans, it's open for both. If Romulans were a third faction and we'd have RvR you'd have a point, but as it stands that's not the case.​​

What are talking about? Never been able to fly a rom ship with a kdf or a fed char.

meimeitoo

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

angrytarg wrote: »

meimeitoo wrote: »

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I *will* take the option to be able to use an all-SRO crew, though. Don't blab to me about Kemo and 'balance', when giving Roms exclusive access to an all-SRO crew is as unbalanced as it gets.

Romulans are not a faction. Both Feds and KDF can play Romulans, it's open for both. If Romulans were a third faction and we'd have RvR you'd have a point, but as it stands that's not the case.​​

LOL. Where did I say anything about Roms being a faction?! *boggle*

cassiusdio

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

angrytarg wrote: »

meimeitoo wrote: »

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I *will* take the option to be able to use an all-SRO crew, though. Don't blab to me about Kemo and 'balance', when giving Roms exclusive access to an all-SRO crew is as unbalanced as it gets.

Romulans are not a faction. Both Feds and KDF can play Romulans, it's open for both. If Romulans were a third faction and we'd have RvR you'd have a point, but as it stands that's not the case.​​

amen.

meimeitoo

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

angrytarg wrote: »

Romulans are not a faction. Both Feds and KDF can play Romulans, it's open for both.​​

And that statement, by itself, makes absolutely no sense, whats-o-frakkin'-ever. That's like saying Feds can play Klingon, because you can roll a new Klink toon.

angrytarg

lamyrs wrote: »

What are talking about? Never been able to fly a rom ship with a kdf or a fed char.

I never said you can. You can however play a Fed-Rom or KDF-Rom, it's an open character choice for both factions. You need a character to use the ship, the ship however is open for both factions.

meimeitoo wrote: »

LOL. Where did I say anything about Roms being a faction?! *boggle*

You said Romulans having SRO crews is a sign of imbalance. Balance can only be measured between the factions and both factions have the Romulan character choice which grants both sides full access to SRO Romulan crews. You can't have a SRO Scimitar with your human fed or klingon KDF, but that's not imbalance but your choice. If there were three factions competing (neither are there three nor are they competing any more, though ) and only one of them had access to SRO crews and a ship working better than all the others that would be imbalanced.​​

cidjack

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

The feds can have a scimitar when new romulus command gets a security officer.

I personally do not care about DPS, when it gets mentioned and the nerd rage comes out my eyes glaze over.

tolmarius

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

How about the Romulans get to be a real faction first, huh? And get parity with the Federation in all respects (such as number of ships, Academy, starbases, etc.). And then give some attention to the KDF. (Who badly need updates to some of their maps, esp. First City, as well as new ships, and anything else KDF players care to point out). Then you get to whine about the playing field being unequal. It's things like this, where an exclusive or near exclusive Federation player whines for access to whatever neat toy the Roms or Klinks have (and gets it often enough) that really bothers people who care for any other faction.

meimeitoo

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

angrytarg wrote: »

You said Romulans having SRO crews is a sign of imbalance. Balance can only be measured between the factions and both factions have the Romulan character choice which grants both sides full access to SRO Romulan crews. You can't have a SRO Scimitar with your human fed or klingon KDF, but that's not imbalance but your choice. If there were three factions competing (neither are there three nor are they competing any more, though ) and only one of them had access to SRO crews and a ship working better than all the others that would be imbalanced.​​

Yeah, that still makes no sense at all. Roms having exclusive access to a full-SRO crew, whilst the rest of us has not, is, by itself, unbalanced. Factions have nothing to do with that.

lamyrs

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

angrytarg wrote: »

lamyrs wrote: »

What are talking about? Never been able to fly a rom ship with a kdf or a fed char.

I never said you can. You can however play a Fed-Rom or KDF-Rom, it's an open character choice for both factions. You need a character to use the ship, the ship however is open for both factions.​​

You have the choice to choose a faction because the devs give the opportunity to uses the ships players had already unlocked. But in fact, at high end, you'll use a rom ship, whatever the faction you are allied with. Rom have their unique ships, unique race, unique planet, unique command center, unique Boff and Doff, unique sets, etc... I don't see on what it isn't a faction.

angrytarg

meimeitoo wrote: »

Yeah, that still makes no sense at all. Roms having exclusive access to a full-SRO crew, whilst the rest of us has not, is, by itself, unbalanced. Factions have nothing to do with that.

But that's my choice. If I play a Tellarite I don't get the human trait "leadership". I can however play a human to get the trait. Is this imbalanced? No, it's just diversity within a faction. If you want SROs just play a rom, that's their thing. You don't leave your faction. If the roms would be a third faction and not feds that wouldn't be an option because you would have to leave your faction to gain an advantage over your current one and then it's imbalanced on behalf of one faction over the other (since there is no equally valued alternative amongst the other species).​​

risingwolfshadow

Lol OP mustn't do PvP very often. I've taken out scimitars in my fleet t5-u defiant back in the day and recently their lack of manueverability is a serious problem even if they're using beams. Even ramming speed in my defiant has been fatal to some.

jaymclaughlin

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

These posts really wind me up.... there's already far too much cross faction things. I want to actually have to make a choice that means something. Any career can fly any kind of ship in any kind of role already. With all the cross faction T6 bundle ships being effectively the same ship with a different skin, the factions are getting more and more like choosing your favourite colour.

I say make them more different!

Sure, I have a Romulan with a Scimitar, and yes it's my highest DPS toon, but I play my other toons far more often. My current second highest DPS toon is a joined trill fed science toon in a pilot ship. That's a lot of fun. I have debuffers and tanks, several ground toons. It's not all about the numbers, it's about the fun, and sometimes the fun is about working out what might be ther best combination of faction/species/gear/abilities etc. If you make everything available to all, it will get very boring, very fast.

fovrel

Ok, and if Feds and KDF characters could fly the Scimitar, it would really balance the game. Lol at how the OP looks at balance and the state of this game.

I thought you DPS guys didn't care about the captains uniform. If you roll an alien, you can make a human or a klingon character, so you can have your human or klingon captain. Do the same with your boffs and you have a faction specific orientated crew. If you have Romulan KDF male you can make him look like a Romulan/Klingon half breed.

swamarian

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

I voted no, because the poll came across as whining that the Feds didn't have the most OP ship. Tough. Also, in 3 options no mention of the Klingons at all.

cidjack

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

Kinks are contra slaves, not a real fighting faction.

smokeybacon90

The Federation has enough powerful vessel to compete on the same level as the scimitar.

There are plenty of suitable options for Feds. Obviously if you normalize every single aspect of performance then the Scim will come out on top, but that acconts for an infinitesimal sample of players. You will easily beat most scims in the game by using a properly built Hestia or Alita. This is not counting the powerful lockbox ships like the Krenim warship or Narcine.

nccmark

Poll responses completely ignore the Klingon character point of view. I guess the OP doesn't think that matters very much.

gabeoz1

@angrytarg what are you talking about? If the roms didn't have anything (no ships, no base, nothing) then I would agree with you. But roms do have their own ships, base, etc. So what, they can visit esd or qonos or fly a crappy little starter ship. Romulan ships ARE NOT cross faction. Cross faction means that 2 or more factions can use them, but the Romulans are 1 faction, and only them can use their ships.

angrytarg

gabeoz1 wrote: »

@angrytarg what are you talking about? If the roms didn't have anything (no ships, no base, nothing) then I would agree with you. But roms do have their own ships, base, etc. So what, they can visit esd or qonos or fly a crappy little starter ship. Romulan ships ARE NOT cross faction. Cross faction means that 2 or more factions can use them, but the Romulans are 1 faction, and only them can use their ships.

Romulans are either Fed or KDF, you are not in a romulan faction when you play one. You join fed or kdf fleets, you are identified as either in game logic and you fight amongst "yourself" in terms of PvP as both factions have their contigent of Romulans. There is no Romulan faction in this game.​​

gabeoz1

they could be fed or kdf players if they had the ability to do everything fed or kdf could do, but they don't. Romulans can only use the crappy leveling ships from other factions, other than that, Romulans have to use their own ships. Your entire argument falls apart when you like at the first screen after launching the game.

lamyrs

I don't care for equal playing field or the DPS league in general.

angrytarg wrote: »

gabeoz1 wrote: »

@angrytarg what are you talking about? If the roms didn't have anything (no ships, no base, nothing) then I would agree with you. But roms do have their own ships, base, etc. So what, they can visit esd or qonos or fly a crappy little starter ship. Romulan ships ARE NOT cross faction. Cross faction means that 2 or more factions can use them, but the Romulans are 1 faction, and only them can use their ships.

Romulans are either Fed or KDF, you are not in a romulan faction when you play one. You join fed or kdf fleets, you are identified as either in game logic and you fight amongst "yourself" in terms of PvP as both factions have their contigent of Romulans. There is no Romulan faction in this game.​​

It is not because you are allied with a faction that's make you part of this faction. It is the same in real life. If two countries are allied that doesn't mean one will absorb another. yes they share stuff and fight together but that's all.