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Jupiter vs other dreadnoughts
thetanine
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Mustrum "and here I was trying to nitpick that the Carrier is not a Dreadnaught" Ridcully
But yeah, that thing is bananas in scope. I guess it'd have to be, to contain the sheer amount of support systems for its crew and its contingent of support craft.
Please disregard, keep your pitch forks sheathed, and your torches unlit.
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Don't want.
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thanks for clearing it up. Even if not actual size you have made a beautiful ship sir. And I can't wait to fly her.
Obviously, if there's another thing this game needs is another TAC Cruiser.
Obviously.
Yeah, thanks to perspective the image doesn't provide a good size comparison.
That and the fact that the Jupiter is not a Dreadnought. It is also neither a Light Cruiser, nor a Cruiser, nor a Dreadnought Warbird. The title and image are a bit of a non sequitur, since the Jupiter is none of the things it is being compared to. The Jupiter is a Carrier.
If torches are to be lit and pitchforks sharpened, let us at least complain in context.
Yeah...the sucker looks like it could hold a couple Odyssey's from the looks at that picture.
To quote Warmaker,
"Obviously, if there's another thing this game needs is another TAC Cruiser.
Obvioiusly. "
Not every ship is going to be for you you selfish petulant children. I dont even like playing Science or Carriers but Im glad to see the Jupiter added to the lineup of ships Fed players can access.
1. DC/DHC capable in a very sluggish ship with non-optimal TAC BOFF seating, even if you use the Universal as TAC. I know what Carriers tend to play as with these handling characteristics, and DHC play is not one of them. Even the also very sluggish KDF Vo'Quv is a horrible DHC platform and that thing has a LtCmdr TAC station. Making the Jupiter DHC capable is a joke but... whatever. It doesn't prevent me from equipping her more suitably. It's just funny.
2. The Frigates. The Elite Callisto hangar units if you look at the armament and skills is decent. However, any serious Carrier player in STO knows this inescapable fact:
Frigate hangar units in this game have very mediocre turn rates.
If a Frigate is heavily dependent on narrow arc weapons like torpedoes and DC/DHCs, then the slow maneuvering is going to make them pointless. This has been a complaint of mine with hangar units for years and years now. Case in point:
The KDF Vo'Quv has access to the Battle Cloak capable Elite Qaw'Dun BOPs which on paper look freakin' fabulous. DHCs, CRF3, Quantums with HYT3. If you deploy them right (which requires a separate forum post in itself...), they'll decloak and unleash a terrific spike capability. But past that initial onslaught their usefulness diminishes sharply. The AI makes Frigates take very long, leisurely wide, slow turns. So Frigates with those narrow weapon arcs hardly shoot.
The only way the Callisto hangar units will be of any use is if they break the Cryptic tradition and actually be maneuverable. Otherwise, like all narrow arc focused Frigates, it will be DOA on the ship's release but lots of guys will only figure that out after splurging for huge FC and Dil for the Elites.
On 1...well they give pretty much every carrier access to cannons, they've done it since the Vo'Quv...I don't know why but they do lol.
On 2...I agree...find most pets with cannons mostly using just their turrets which is little to no damage considering weapon power is only 50 I imagine. The only saving grace I can see...perhaps is while lock trajectory is up maybe it will be more useful...
Of course I just thought of...firing 2 cannons and 2 turrets...will leave them with almost no weapon power if it is set generically to 50...so umm...not sure how these frigates will perform.
HMMM??? It's sitting right there beside it. Please explain.
That the Jupiter can actually use 2 Odysseys instead of frigates? Look at the hangar, it's almost as tall as the Odyssey. It really doesn't look right.
you cant "fly" her .....no air in space....you can "command' ...or pilot...or take the helm.
I don't know which Odyssey variant you used, but that one is awfully small compared to how big it actually is in-game.
Lock Trajectory is a short duration buff though. Also, seeing as even most players can't use Lock Trajectory right, I foresee the NPCs doing the same exact thing... They'll use the ability and move in a straight line until they're completely wayyyy out of range of the target
Frigates in general need to be given fighter level maneuverability. The balancing factor is that Frigates in general are restricted to the true, 2 hangar carriers.
Still even when the Callistos don't have someone in thier front arc it should do okay damage thanks to having 2 turrets instead of 1 in the back.
still for pure effectiveness with the Jupiter's trait fighters are better, 4 torpedoes vs. 12 torpedoes.
I wasn't even going to do that. I was going more for:
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There is also a Pilot Escort under the left Jupiter, Aquarius Escort between the left Jupiter and Odyssey (as a reference for the new hangar pets), Command Battlecruiser, and Odyssey Cruiser in the image for scale.
This is a rather amusing bug, so much so I wish they made the ship that big permanently. It would certainly beat the Vonph as the largest ship in the game, LOL.
But the bugged one must rival Deep Space 9!
I was just in the foundry comparing the Jupiter with the Type 7 material to another Jupiter with the Type 6 material and I had no such issue, so it must be something else you did.
Here's a screenshot I took to see the size differences:
And another one:
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P.S. the new Jupiter looks nothing like the old one aside from some very, very superficial silhouette similarities. Don't know why everybody kept saying the Omega design looked like the old Jupiter, smh... #longliveteamalpha
Agreed! The top is pretty bare compared to other ships, but the underside is even worse.
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That is what I've thought the whole time...but apparently people voted for it because it looked like the Jupiter and they thought they were going to get a Dreadnought...