^ But Klingons and Romulans need to do scientific research, Trendy. They should be mapping stars and studying nebulae, not charting the unknown possibilities of dps.
After some discussion, we finally settled on making a Carrier. Starfleet players have access to plenty of Escort and Cruiser options, but not very many Science ships and even fewer Carriers. This gave us a perfect opportunity to fill that gap.
Great! So keep filling it in with a T6 Nebula revamp. It's an obvious canon fan favorite, and therefore $ for you.
Hmmm defiantely looks like an interesting setup might look into picking this up! I like trying out new variants of ships,at least new for me as I've never really used a carrier before.
Starfleet players have access to plenty of Escort and Cruiser options, but not very many Science ships and even fewer Carriers.
are you serious?? feds have more sci ships then rom n kdf combined, i'd even dare to say triple or quadruple at T5/U/6
although the ship does look great, a decent rom and kdf science ship would be well appreciated
You know, when you actually read your own post you might notice that they compared the number of science ships and carriers in the Federation to the number of cruisers and escorts in the Federation, we made the comparison to the KDF/Romulans, they did not.
I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.
You do understand why people are annoyed and angry about this though, yes? Carriers were a KDF thing, we have not had a new one since the Karfi around 4 years ago, in that time we saw the Feds get a full carrier, an escort carrier and a sci carrier while the KDF were left to rot, we also have zero T6 Sci or carrier ships and then we see a Fed T6 carrier (that they also got to help design) get released with no KDF or Rom equivalent, and then to add insult to injury the blog mentions Feds having a limited selection? Its this kind of decison making that riles people up, people who are pasionate about the KDF and Romulans, people who always seem to be put on the back burner or forgot about entirely, people who love this game but are constantly made to feel like we are unwanted members of the game due to being left out in the cold constatly.
I literally just posted saying I'm working on getting Romulan and KDF ships and you respond with a full explanation as to why you're frustrated: that there's a lack of KDF ships.
EXACTLY! I honestly don't know why they keep complaining about it. I don't complain, instead, I be patient for the things that require time to create. To the Romulans and Klingons, you will get your ships with time and patience.
Sigh, I appreciate the new forum software and the hiding of previous quotes, but it does make responding to a fast-moving thread a bit ... confusing. Anyhoo, Trendy, I know a lot of the reaction here has to be frustrating for you. I don't know about the others above me, but there were something like two *pages* of replies that came in while I was typing out my post, including both your original "I get it." response and the later more frustrated response. SO apologies if it feels like I (and others) are dogpiling here, part of that is simply the nature of forums. And the rest is also the nature of forums, I suppose.
I think most of us realize *you* understand our stance, but I think we also feel that while you might be trying to "make that a reality" we also know that it isn't up to you. Quite frankly, if we don't keep squeakin', there won't be any grease a'comin', because its been made clear over and over that certain individuals higher up in the food chain have no interest in non-Feds.
Time and patience have not worked for KDF/Rom to date.
"You Iconians just hung a vacancy sign on your asses and my foot's looking for a room!"
--Red Annorax
Turn rate of six degrees? This is not a science ship. And don't insult the players by pretending this Cryptic dev's epic fail is 'community-designed'. This is Cryptic dev's epic fail-designed. The only involvement by the community was to vote on the skin. If this was 'community-designed', it would not have such an EPIC FAIL turn rate. Science Boff skills do not have a 250 degree firing arc, as anyone who has ever played this game knows.
My suggestion is to force Cryptic devs to actually play STO for a change.
I posted earlier, but I really can't go without saying something to the KDF/Rom Faction whiners. Yes, I realize I am enabling them, but they make so frustrated. No wonder Trendy is ready to smite some of them!
To all KDF/Rom whiners, and really all KDF/Rom players in general: Name me one, JUST ONE Star Trek series or movie (that is canon) that focuses on anything other than a starfleet ship and crew.
This is a Star Trek game originally designed with only a Federation faction. The game devs didn't have to add a Klingon or a Romulan faction. They did so because they wanted to. So you should all be thankful that you even have an Alt faction, and not whine and complain even after Trendy says
I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.
The thing is the KDF player base have been told that almost exact same thing many times in the past, each and everytime nothing ever came from it.
As you have not been with STO from the start maybe you are unaware of the history of statements like that, but KDF players have come to treat such statements with a hefty pinch of salt, i'm not saying you are not trying your hardest and i really hope you are but untill i see somthing official i will put as much stock in it as i have in previous statements...i know its being pesimistic but with the history the KDF has with Cryptic can you really blame any of us for being that way?
I want to use just the Callisto as a T6 Raider, i say this because i use the Aquarius light escort as my main ship, but i would love to see the Callisto as a ship to buy and use.
Turn rate of six degrees? This is not a science ship. And don't insult the players by pretending this Cryptic dev's epic fail is 'community-designed'. This is Cryptic dev's epic fail-designed. The only involvement by the community was to vote on the skin. If this was 'community-designed', it would not have such an EPIC FAIL turn rate. Science Boff skills do not have a 250 degree firing arc, as anyone who has ever played this game knows.
My suggestion is to force Cryptic devs to actually play STO for a change.
Of course it's not a science ship, the fact that they call it a carrier should have told you that.
Quite frankly, if we don't keep squeakin', there won't be any grease a'comin', because its been made clear over and over that certain individuals higher up in the food chain have no interest in non-Feds.
Time and patience have not worked for KDF/Rom to date.
Not all squeaks are conducive to revolutionary change. Time to update your tactics, pally boy. If you alien scientists are so keen on flying around growing ears on the backs of epohhs or whatever other evil experiments you intellectuals do to waste taxpayer money for Big Pharma, stage a real protest in-game. Don't pester Perfect... I mean, Prefect... Trendy. For example, if you really care a lot about the issue, make a pact to enter all STFs with absolutely no weapons slotted until the devs acquiesce to your demands. Put pressure on the community. Disrupt every queue in the game. Utilize the tactic of mass civil disobedience. Unless you're all willing to adopt such serious measures, you won't get what you want.
I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.
The thing is the KDF player base have been told that almost exact same thing many times in the past, each and everytime nothing ever came from it.
As you have not been with STO from the start maybe you are unaware of the history of statements like that, but KDF players have come to treat such statements with a hefty pinch of salt, i'm not saying you are not trying your hardest and i really hope you are but untill i see somthing official i will put as much stock in it as i have in previous statements...i know its being pesimistic but with the history the KDF has with Cryptic can you really blame any of us for being that way?
Yes.
I am an official employee who was the major stakeholder in making this campaign a reality, I literally just posted saying I'm trying to make this for KDF and Romulan players, we have a new Executive Producer head honcho in charge, and I just gave you a warning for spamming again about this. So the answer is yes.
I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.
While I'm sure you feel that you making this comment should sooth all the KDF/Rom players out there, until this actually happens I'm sure plenty of us will continue to remind you (Cryptic) that there has been and continue to be absolutely zero T6 science ships and carriers for the non-federation factions. The real insult was the line about the lack of science ships for the federation in the blog, seriously, do your devs even pay attention to their own product?
OH MY SWEET Q I LITERALLY JUST SAID I'M WORKING ON IT.
To address another poster the DSD's ARE Sci vessels and Destroyer in one. It has Sensor Analysis and Sub-system Targetting, therefore it is a true Sci ship.
As I and others have already pointed out, the DSDs are not T6. The whole point has been that Feds have T6 SCI vessels (Dauntless, Pathfinder and Scryer, plus Fleet versions of each) while KDF and Roms have none at all. If you want to include T5U ships, Feds options are well into double digits, while Roms have the DSD and the Fleet Ha'nom, and KDF has the DSD and the ... whatever that Gorn ship is.
Another poster mentioned no carriers on the KDF side!! Err, the Kar'Fi and the Vo'Quv would like to disagree with you. Whilst the Vo'Quv is a good carrier, I think the Kar'Fi is much better.
Again, none of those are T6. The Vo'quv can't even upgrade to T5u unless you buy the fleet version, which you have to pay full price for since there is no fleet module discount.
It just leaves the Roms without one, but seeing as they're still a fractured race, when are they going to agree or find the time and resource to build one?? I do look forward to one, but let some common sense come into the argument please!
Common sense, really? This discussion is not about in-game, RP reasons why we find ourselves here. You are the one making no sense.
"You Iconians just hung a vacancy sign on your asses and my foot's looking for a room!"
--Red Annorax
Turn rate of six degrees? This is not a science ship. And don't insult the players by pretending this Cryptic dev's epic fail is 'community-designed'. This is Cryptic dev's epic fail-designed. The only involvement by the community was to vote on the skin. If this was 'community-designed', it would not have such an EPIC FAIL turn rate. Science Boff skills do not have a 250 degree firing arc, as anyone who has ever played this game knows.
My suggestion is to force Cryptic devs to actually play STO for a change.
Of course it's not a science ship, the fact that they call it a carrier should have told you that.
Besides, even if it's NOT a sci ship, it's pretty much only 1 Conductive RCS console away from being a T6 vesta.
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Hey, guys (and girls). Remember that one awesome Star Trek show about General Martok and the crew of the Negh'var? Or that other one that always had us on the edge of our seats? The one about Commander Donatra and the crew of the I.R.W. Valdore?
Oh, wait... Those weren't actually a thing, were they?
I do, however remember 5 series and 12 movies about Starfleet crews and the ships they served on...
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I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.
The thing is the KDF player base have been told that almost exact same thing many times in the past, each and everytime nothing ever came from it.
As you have not been with STO from the start maybe you are unaware of the history of statements like that, but KDF players have come to treat such statements with a hefty pinch of salt, i'm not saying you are not trying your hardest and i really hope you are but untill i see somthing official i will put as much stock in it as i have in previous statements...i know its being pesimistic but with the history the KDF has with Cryptic can you really blame any of us for being that way?
Yes.
I am an official employee who was the major stakeholder in making this campaign a reality, I literally just posted saying I'm trying to make this for KDF and Romulan players, we have a new Executive Producer head honcho in charge, and I just gave you a warning for spamming again about this. So the answer is yes.
If you keep posting asesome statements my sig will be too long for the forum to handle.
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Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
Though the Callisto is a nice step up from the Dominion War era Peregrine Fighter.
I gotta admit that's a nice looking take on the whole Defiant/Valiant/pilot ship vibe. I wouldn't buy one by itself, but if that became player-available at some point and were in a bundle I were interested in, I'd fly her on my rather-neglected Fed alts.
"You Iconians just hung a vacancy sign on your asses and my foot's looking for a room!"
--Red Annorax
Hey, guys (and girls). Remember that one awesome Star Trek show about General Martok and the crew of the Negh'var? Or that other one that always had us on the edge of our seats? The one about Commander Donatra and the crew of the I.R.W. Valdore?
Oh, wait... Those weren't actually a thing, were they?
I do, however remember 5 series and 12 movies about Starfleet crews and the ships they served on...
Strangely enough they did put the KDF and the Romulans into the game, they are playable. So regardless of the irrelevant facts about the tv shows and movies this game does have KDF and Romulan Captains boldly pew-pewing their way through the milky way.
IS: +10 Shield Power, +10 Auxiliary Power
SHOULD: +10 Shield Power, +10 Weapons Power
(...)
Carriers use their pets to deal damage. Auxilliary power makes pets better (spawn faster). Weapon power on a carrier is generally only a secondary stat, so having it boos aux makes perfect sense.
There are enough battlecruisers already methinks.
Now this about aux power boosting pets...is it their damage output or their survivability that improves? Either way, that just gives me more evidence to stick with my Vesta and not make a change to another type of ship.
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I do not know why this forum post has become a bit vile. However, pwlaughingtrendy should not be put on a pyre and burned at the stake. This is a game and we should be respectful of their time and effort to create a new niche ship. Just my opinion. I think I will be picking this ship up...since I like carriers and their ability to be a multi-purpose platform...which is what Science Captains tend to serve, in my opinion. Overall I have enjoyed the Romulans and the Starfleet sides of STO. I believe they have the right balance of ships. However, instead of worrying about ships...I believe the community should think of new content, storylines, graphical enhancements, etc...should go into the game. Again, just my opinion. I truly enjoy playing STO and enjoy the builds that I have worked with to make my Science captain's missions enjoyable and the least frustrating. I do not believe that pwlaughingtrendy will read my comment, or reply to my comment, but I believe PW and Cryptic are going in a better direction with STO as of recent.
Can't understand how all those ppl can complain about how fed gets a sci ship...
FINALY Starfleet honors the patient and always diligent Caitian Captains experience with Carrier and Fighter warfare and uses this valuable resource and implements it into a new official Federation Carrier Class Ship.
As I see it not the Klings or Roms got crossed over again but the long standing issue of the lacking 2nd carrier class ship of Starfleet compared with the kdf got adressed.
And since the romulans got an entirely different ship philosophy and combat mechanic due to battle cloak ( 40% dmg bonus after decloaking, huh )
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Great! So keep filling it in with a T6 Nebula revamp. It's an obvious canon fan favorite, and therefore $ for you.
are you serious?? feds have more sci ships then rom n kdf combined, i'd even dare to say triple or quadruple at T5/U/6
although the ship does look great, a decent rom and kdf science ship would be well appreciated
I definitely would enjoy some more content and lengthy storyline episodes.
You know, when you actually read your own post you might notice that they compared the number of science ships and carriers in the Federation to the number of cruisers and escorts in the Federation, we made the comparison to the KDF/Romulans, they did not.
Sigh, I appreciate the new forum software and the hiding of previous quotes, but it does make responding to a fast-moving thread a bit ... confusing. Anyhoo, Trendy, I know a lot of the reaction here has to be frustrating for you. I don't know about the others above me, but there were something like two *pages* of replies that came in while I was typing out my post, including both your original "I get it." response and the later more frustrated response. SO apologies if it feels like I (and others) are dogpiling here, part of that is simply the nature of forums. And the rest is also the nature of forums, I suppose.
I think most of us realize *you* understand our stance, but I think we also feel that while you might be trying to "make that a reality" we also know that it isn't up to you. Quite frankly, if we don't keep squeakin', there won't be any grease a'comin', because its been made clear over and over that certain individuals higher up in the food chain have no interest in non-Feds.
Time and patience have not worked for KDF/Rom to date.
--Red Annorax
My suggestion is to force Cryptic devs to actually play STO for a change.
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
To all KDF/Rom whiners, and really all KDF/Rom players in general: Name me one, JUST ONE Star Trek series or movie (that is canon) that focuses on anything other than a starfleet ship and crew.
This is a Star Trek game originally designed with only a Federation faction. The game devs didn't have to add a Klingon or a Romulan faction. They did so because they wanted to. So you should all be thankful that you even have an Alt faction, and not whine and complain even after Trendy says
Boldly going where no one has gone before!
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
The thing is the KDF player base have been told that almost exact same thing many times in the past, each and everytime nothing ever came from it.
As you have not been with STO from the start maybe you are unaware of the history of statements like that, but KDF players have come to treat such statements with a hefty pinch of salt, i'm not saying you are not trying your hardest and i really hope you are but untill i see somthing official i will put as much stock in it as i have in previous statements...i know its being pesimistic but with the history the KDF has with Cryptic can you really blame any of us for being that way?
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?
Of course it's not a science ship, the fact that they call it a carrier should have told you that.
Not all squeaks are conducive to revolutionary change. Time to update your tactics, pally boy. If you alien scientists are so keen on flying around growing ears on the backs of epohhs or whatever other evil experiments you intellectuals do to waste taxpayer money for Big Pharma, stage a real protest in-game. Don't pester Perfect... I mean, Prefect... Trendy. For example, if you really care a lot about the issue, make a pact to enter all STFs with absolutely no weapons slotted until the devs acquiesce to your demands. Put pressure on the community. Disrupt every queue in the game. Utilize the tactic of mass civil disobedience. Unless you're all willing to adopt such serious measures, you won't get what you want.
LOL the funny thing in all of this is that in space there is no friction, with the slightest impulse even the biggest ship can turn in a dime.
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
I am an official employee who was the major stakeholder in making this campaign a reality, I literally just posted saying I'm trying to make this for KDF and Romulan players, we have a new Executive Producer head honcho in charge, and I just gave you a warning for spamming again about this. So the answer is yes.
Again, none of those are T6. The Vo'quv can't even upgrade to T5u unless you buy the fleet version, which you have to pay full price for since there is no fleet module discount.
Common sense, really? This discussion is not about in-game, RP reasons why we find ourselves here. You are the one making no sense.
--Red Annorax
Besides, even if it's NOT a sci ship, it's pretty much only 1 Conductive RCS console away from being a T6 vesta.
Smite the non believers! Smite them I say!
Oh, wait... Those weren't actually a thing, were they?
I do, however remember 5 series and 12 movies about Starfleet crews and the ships they served on...
Boldly going where no one has gone before!
If you keep posting asesome statements my sig will be too long for the forum to handle.
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
--Red Annorax
Strangely enough they did put the KDF and the Romulans into the game, they are playable. So regardless of the irrelevant facts about the tv shows and movies this game does have KDF and Romulan Captains boldly pew-pewing their way through the milky way.
Now this about aux power boosting pets...is it their damage output or their survivability that improves? Either way, that just gives me more evidence to stick with my Vesta and not make a change to another type of ship.
Christian Gaming Community Fleets--Faith, Fun, and Fellowship! See the website and PM for more. :-)
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FINALY Starfleet honors the patient and always diligent Caitian Captains experience with Carrier and Fighter warfare and uses this valuable resource and implements it into a new official Federation Carrier Class Ship.
As I see it not the Klings or Roms got crossed over again but the long standing issue of the lacking 2nd carrier class ship of Starfleet compared with the kdf got adressed.
And since the romulans got an entirely different ship philosophy and combat mechanic due to battle cloak ( 40% dmg bonus after decloaking, huh )