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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I wonder how the Callisto compares against the Aquarius... And will this new Jupiter replace the old models in previous foundry instances?

    As long as one is a frigate pet and the other a playable ship, the comparision will probably be of limited value. The size might be something interesting to compare. Maybe there will be a T6 Aquarius with the Callisto as variant costume? (Both are Light Escorts, IIRC?)
    But yes. It's a nice addition to Starfleet, and the fact that i can perfectly transplant my Vesta's current setup into it means i will definately give it a go
    The turn rate might not make the transplantation successful. You would need a very firing arc independent build here.
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  • alphahydrialphahydri Member Posts: 391 Arc User
    I love the ship, but the only thing I would change is the BOff layout. Something like this would've been preferable:

    - Commander Science Station
    - Lt. Commander Engineering/Intel Station
    - Lt. Commander Tactical Station
    - Lieutenant Universal Station
    - Ensign Universal Station

    Given that carriers are supposed to be support/command & control vessels for larger fleet operations, regardless of mission parameters, it makes sense to me for the ship to have a good deal of versatility in its BOff layout a la the Guardian Cruiser.

    The ship would still retain its trademark Commander Science station, but with increased durability from the Lt. Commander Engineering station and more firepower from the Lt. Commander Tactical station. The two universal stations would provide flexibility in the BOff layout, allowing someone to go more Sci heavy, Eng heavy, or Tac heavy per their choosing.

    Also, can the Elite Callisto Escorts get Quantum Torpedoes instead of Photons? Please and thank you!
  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 4,272 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    I like it, especially the new class of hangar pets, the Callisto light escorts. One question remains though. Why would this craft have warp engines if they are supposed to be launched from a carrier? :D

    Carrier-based fighters and escorts and sometimes Bombers launched from Carriers and often did long distance strikes during World War II, so it's reasonable for the Callisto to be equipped with Warp Engines for long range tactical strikes.

    There lies really the fundamental conundrum of Carriers in Star Trek.

    Aircraft Carriers can't go on land and move to an inland target. Planes and Carriers use different mediums for travel, and have different ranges and speed, and have different times they can "loiter" in a territory before they need to refuel and rearm.

    But Carriers in space? Carriers and their fighter craft are warp-capable. Ships can attack planetary targets just as well as fighter craft. Starships are most likely a lot faster than one of the ships they transport, they have a longer range, they can last longer in remote (and possibly hostile) territory, and they pack more firepower.

    Hence, Carriers don't make sense in Star Trek. Maybe not even in most Sci-Fi franchises that feature them.

    Fighters can make sense as a low-cost option to defend or patrol an area against lighter craft, basically creating a certain "barrier" for technological development and logistics of potential attackers.
    Shuttles make sense to transport people or materials to locations when the ship can't leave its current position, or is on a different course.


    But ... Who cares anymore? (I do?) THe only question for STO is whether they are fun to play. (Meh. But your mileage may vary.)
    "Aircraft Carriers can't go on land and move to an inland target", True. They're intended for tactical strikes with Landing Craft and bombers and fighters. Another use for carriers is long distance patrolling, a carrier could be in a sector, and it would deploy it's Escorts to patrol that sector. The carrier could also launch alot of shuttles and runabouts for planetary invasions if transporters can't be used due to jamming or anti-transporter shielding. They're also useful for deploying fighters to support a ground battle currently in progress. Carriers are essentially Air/Space Support ships used by Naval forces.
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  • specter2222specter2222 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    Yes. I get it. Romulan and KDF ships.

    I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.

    You do understand why people are annoyed and angry about this though, yes? Carriers were a KDF thing, we have not had a new one since the Karfi around 4 years ago, in that time we saw the Feds get a full carrier, an escort carrier and a sci carrier while the KDF were left to rot, we also have zero T6 Sci or carrier ships and then we see a Fed T6 carrier (that they also got to help design) get released with no KDF or Rom equivalent, and then to add insult to injury the blog mentions Feds having a limited selection? Its this kind of decison making that riles people up, people who are pasionate about the KDF and Romulans, people who always seem to be put on the back burner or forgot about entirely, people who love this game but are constantly made to feel like we are unwanted members of the game due to being left out in the cold constatly.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    If this thing is supposed to be so MASSIVE, how come it has a Hull stat in the Low-50k range instead of the 60k range??
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
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    But ... Who cares anymore? (I do?) THe only question for STO is whether they are fun to play. (Meh. But your mileage may vary.)

    I'm with you, @mustrumridcully0 , I'm with you pig-30.gif

    But people at least in this forum still open discussions about treknology with "In WW2..." or "They do that different in the Navy!" so... no hope there...​​
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  • dd1mdd1m Member Posts: 171 Arc User
    "Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought. It later occurred to us that the ship could truly do so by assuming the Jupiter class name. It was our intention to have this ship be massive since it would be both a carrier and taking on the Jupiter-class namesake."

    While loathe to use the term rigged, it does bring into question just how much of a "competition" this really was.

    I'd say the ships trait is rather aptly named under the circumstances.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    Will there be a Romulan and KDF version?

    Or did we get shafted, again?
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  • highlandrisehighlandrise Member Posts: 354 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Ughh...UUUghhhh...A Science Heavy Carrier? ANOTHER ONE? Wasnt the Atrox allready filling that role? so is that the New Atrox T6 or what????? I was following the whole New Carrier thing and was so excited, just to be totaly dissapointed now, this is the FIRST Starfleet Design Full Carrier and you guys make it a Science Heavy one? First the BITTER letdown with the T6 Defiant (Valiant) and now this... what the hell is wrong with you guys.....

    Those things are what you should have made, to make that thing any interesting:

    IS: Weapons: 3 Fore, 3 Aft
    SHOULD: Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft

    IS: Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering/Intel, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Commander Science, 1 Lieutenant Universal
    SHOULD: Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal/Intel, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Universal (in this case 4 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science)

    OR: Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal/Intel, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Universal (in this case 4 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science)

    IS: +10 Shield Power, +10 Auxiliary Power
    SHOULD: +10 Shield Power, +10 Weapons Power

    Instead you are giving us a Frigatte Enabled Atrox Version 1.5 with a Starfleet Costume on it DOH!
    Was Hoping to Replace my aging JHDC with this but nope, will keep my JHDC and also my Money, SAD.

    also, the Trait sounds totaly useless like someone else allready mentioned. And the Frigatte should get Quantum Torpedos on Advanced and Elite Version (also mentioned before by others) :/:/:/
  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    dirlettia wrote: »
    I was glad I wasnt drinking when I read the part about Fed players having "not very many Science ships". They do realise they have a LOT more than both other factions combined don't they?
    You might not have been drinking - can't necessarily say the same for the blog writer. Trendy, did you "start early" today, or did someone lace your bacon with some illicit substance? :)
    primar13 wrote: »
    Doe this ship get a Secondary Deflector?
    Since this is a Science Carrier (as opposed to a Science Vessel), much like the Sarr Theln, and the Sarr Theln has none, I'd expect this one also has none.
    captaind3 wrote: »
    Brilliant Sarcasm and complete accuracy aside, I do in fact count the Dyson as a proper science vessel.
    I actually count the Dyson myself, and use it a lot on my Rommie SCI character. But it is not T6, and the poster was making the point that the KDFs and Roms have no T6 SCI vessels at all, period, while the Feds have several options.

    Anyway, as I mentioned in most of the blog threads discussing the contest, I have exactly *zero* interest in this thing and will not be buying it. Even if there is a 180 degree turn and Cryptic pulls a T6 Vo'quv and some slapped-together Rom version out and made it a 3 pack, I'd rather buy the KDF and Rom ships separately and ignore this thing entirely.

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  • mayito2009mayito2009 Member Posts: 643 Arc User
    alphahydri wrote: »
    I love the ship, but the only thing I would change is the BOff layout. Something like this would've been preferable:

    - Commander Science Station
    - Lt. Commander Engineering/Intel Station
    - Lt. Commander Tactical Station
    - Lieutenant Universal Station
    - Ensign Universal Station

    Given that carriers are supposed to be support/command & control vessels for larger fleet operations, regardless of mission parameters, it makes sense to me for the ship to have a good deal of versatility in its BOff layout a la the Guardian Cruiser.

    The ship would still retain its trademark Commander Science station, but with increased durability from the Lt. Commander Engineering station and more firepower from the Lt. Commander Tactical station. The two universal stations would provide flexibility in the BOff layout, allowing someone to go more Sci heavy, Eng heavy, or Tac heavy per their choosing.

    Also, can the Elite Callisto Escorts get Quantum Torpedoes instead of Photons? Please and thank you!

    Again this is something I dont understand why a carrier that supposedly is created for support, it is a slow ship cannot have 3 Lt Commander (science, eng and tactical) 1 Intel lt universal and 1 lt Universal
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  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 4,272 Arc User
    Will there be a Romulan and KDF version?

    Or did we get shafted, again?

    I refer to you on this comment.
    Yes. I get it. Romulan and KDF ships.

    I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.
    They're trying to work on that.
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  • grtiggygrtiggy Member Posts: 444 Arc User
    Blog wrote:
    ...Starfleet players have access to plenty of Escort and Cruiser options, but not very many Science ships and even fewer Carriers.

    This almost made me stop reading right then and there.

  • pwlaughingtrendypwlaughingtrendy Member Posts: 2,966 Arc User
    Yes. I get it. Romulan and KDF ships.

    I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.

    You do understand why people are annoyed and angry about this though, yes? Carriers were a KDF thing, we have not had a new one since the Karfi around 4 years ago, in that time we saw the Feds get a full carrier, an escort carrier and a sci carrier while the KDF were left to rot, we also have zero T6 Sci or carrier ships and then we see a Fed T6 carrier (that they also got to help design) get released with no KDF or Rom equivalent, and then to add insult to injury the blog mentions Feds having a limited selection? Its this kind of decison making that riles people up, people who are pasionate about the KDF and Romulans, people who always seem to be put on the back burner or forgot about entirely, people who love this game but are constantly made to feel like we are unwanted members of the game due to being left out in the cold constatly.

    I literally just posted saying I'm working on getting Romulan and KDF ships and you respond with a full explanation as to why you're frustrated: that there's a lack of KDF ships.
  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 4,272 Arc User
    Yes. I get it. Romulan and KDF ships.

    I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.

    You do understand why people are annoyed and angry about this though, yes? Carriers were a KDF thing, we have not had a new one since the Karfi around 4 years ago, in that time we saw the Feds get a full carrier, an escort carrier and a sci carrier while the KDF were left to rot, we also have zero T6 Sci or carrier ships and then we see a Fed T6 carrier (that they also got to help design) get released with no KDF or Rom equivalent, and then to add insult to injury the blog mentions Feds having a limited selection? Its this kind of decison making that riles people up, people who are pasionate about the KDF and Romulans, people who always seem to be put on the back burner or forgot about entirely, people who love this game but are constantly made to feel like we are unwanted members of the game due to being left out in the cold constatly.

    I literally just posted saying I'm working on getting Romulan and KDF ships and you respond with a full explanation as to why you're frustrated: that there's a lack of KDF ships.

    EXACTLY! I honestly don't know why they keep complaining about it. I don't complain, instead, I be patient for the things that require time to create. To the Romulans and Klingons, you will get your ships with time and patience.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Yes. I get it. Romulan and KDF ships.

    I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.

    You do understand why people are annoyed and angry about this though, yes? Carriers were a KDF thing, we have not had a new one since the Karfi around 4 years ago, in that time we saw the Feds get a full carrier, an escort carrier and a sci carrier while the KDF were left to rot, we also have zero T6 Sci or carrier ships and then we see a Fed T6 carrier (that they also got to help design) get released with no KDF or Rom equivalent, and then to add insult to injury the blog mentions Feds having a limited selection? Its this kind of decison making that riles people up, people who are pasionate about the KDF and Romulans, people who always seem to be put on the back burner or forgot about entirely, people who love this game but are constantly made to feel like we are unwanted members of the game due to being left out in the cold constatly.

    I literally just posted saying I'm working on getting Romulan and KDF ships and you respond with a full explanation as to why you're frustrated: that there's a lack of KDF ships.

    Apparently, READING..., is NOT Fun-damental in some cases.

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    dd1m wrote: »
    "Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought. It later occurred to us that the ship could truly do so by assuming the Jupiter class name. It was our intention to have this ship be massive since it would be both a carrier and taking on the Jupiter-class namesake."

    While loathe to use the term rigged, it does bring into question just how much of a "competition" this really was.

    I'd say the ships trait is rather aptly named under the circumstances.
    The community voted. Not the developers.

    Maybe it was "rigged" in favour of the Omega by the very virtue that everyone always said the Jupiter might make a good Fed Carrier, and when the developers picked one design that had some design similarities with the Jupiter, it attracted them players.
    But there was no guarantee the players would care. The Jupiter is seen almost nowhere in the game nowadays,a nd it was always an ugly ship that barely achieved the release-standards for ship models of STO. It could be that people would massive hate it, or simply uninterested in it.

    And there were some pretty inspired designs in the contest, IMO. In the last vote, I actually picked the Alpha because it just appealed a bit more to me, but I knew I'd be fine with either choice.
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    Yes. I get it. Romulan and KDF ships.

    I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.

    You do understand why people are annoyed and angry about this though, yes? Carriers were a KDF thing, we have not had a new one since the Karfi around 4 years ago, in that time we saw the Feds get a full carrier, an escort carrier and a sci carrier while the KDF were left to rot, we also have zero T6 Sci or carrier ships and then we see a Fed T6 carrier (that they also got to help design) get released with no KDF or Rom equivalent, and then to add insult to injury the blog mentions Feds having a limited selection? Its this kind of decison making that riles people up, people who are pasionate about the KDF and Romulans, people who always seem to be put on the back burner or forgot about entirely, people who love this game but are constantly made to feel like we are unwanted members of the game due to being left out in the cold constatly.

    I literally just posted saying I'm working on getting Romulan and KDF ships and you respond with a full explanation as to why you're frustrated: that there's a lack of KDF ships.

    EXACTLY! I honestly don't know why they keep complaining about it. I don't complain, instead, I be patient for the things that require time to create. To the Romulans and Klingons, you will get your ships with time and patience.

    Since Trendy just said that she is trying to convince the devs to make those ships, your statement makes no sense. Currently no one is working at anything. And how many years of patience is enough exactly ? :D
  • nikolunusnikolunus Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    Okay so from the point where I am sitting at on this, first nope not going to buy it wouldn't take it if it was free. I would rather have seen a t6 update to the Caitian carrier, I fly her and do just fine in most situations. Second intel? why intel on a federation carrier? It seems that it should scream Command skills calling in support for the fighters that really should be the focus of the assult abilities. And a missed oppertunity here a new federation fighter could have been brought in, like a bomber fighter. I am just completely underwhelmed by this ship, from her stats to layout; I feel that ether of my go to ships (Fleet Nova and Akira) could rip this thing apart without taking a breath before the fights begins.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Yes. I get it. Romulan and KDF ships.

    I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.

    You do understand why people are annoyed and angry about this though, yes? Carriers were a KDF thing, we have not had a new one since the Karfi around 4 years ago, in that time we saw the Feds get a full carrier, an escort carrier and a sci carrier while the KDF were left to rot, we also have zero T6 Sci or carrier ships and then we see a Fed T6 carrier (that they also got to help design) get released with no KDF or Rom equivalent, and then to add insult to injury the blog mentions Feds having a limited selection? Its this kind of decison making that riles people up, people who are pasionate about the KDF and Romulans, people who always seem to be put on the back burner or forgot about entirely, people who love this game but are constantly made to feel like we are unwanted members of the game due to being left out in the cold constatly.

    I literally just posted saying I'm working on getting Romulan and KDF ships and you respond with a full explanation as to why you're frustrated: that there's a lack of KDF ships.
    Hey, trendy, some important news to you: There aren't enough KDF ships, and Romulan ships, and particularly there aren't enough Science Vessels and Carriers for KDF and Romulans either. Oh, and most important: Water is wet!

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  • amayakitsuneamayakitsune Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    So... I was pretty certain this whole contest was rigged from the beginning. Last week's blog on Modeling the Omega, pretty much solidified that, when you guys admitted that only one design was done with cues taken from the Jupiter, but in the topic for that blog I said this:
    This feels less like I had a choice in the design and more like the ship team wanted to redo the Jupiter, but didnt have the free time to do it on their own, so they had to get it through other means.

    And this blog says this:
    Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought. It later occurred to us that the ship could truly do so by assuming the Jupiter class name.

    Very early on? Come on guys... if you had any inkling of thought that this ship would replace the Jupiter... and you let a Jupiter-like design into the contest... then that contest was rigged. Nevermind the fact that youre literally re-using the Jupiter name on this one.

    This whole contest wasnt a contest to design a new carrier, it was the ship team wanting to redo the existing Jupiter, but not having time on the schedule to do it, so they shoehorned it into this contest.

    At no point did anyones vote matter, and Im not wholly unconvinced that even if Omega had lost, you guys would have found a way to have to modify what ever did win, to be more Jupiter like...
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    IS: +10 Shield Power, +10 Auxiliary Power
    SHOULD: +10 Shield Power, +10 Weapons Power
    (...)

    Carriers use their pets to deal damage. Auxilliary power makes pets better (spawn faster). Weapon power on a carrier is generally only a secondary stat, so having it boos aux makes perfect sense.

    There are enough battlecruisers already methinks.​​
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  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 4,272 Arc User
    qjunior wrote: »
    Since Trendy just said that she is trying to convince the devs to make those ships, your statement makes no sense. Currently no one is working at anything. And how many years of patience is enough exactly ? :D

    It took us... alot of time to get carriers distributed to the Federation after the first KDF Carrier... nuff said. But, even if they aren't actually working on it, the whole "more KDF and Rommie ships" thing has been going on for a very long time, but such things requires time and patience, not complaints that easily get old after awhile.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    there's a lot of butt hurt in these threads.
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  • cuchulainn74cuchulainn74 Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    I can't really understand where so much hate and flaming comes from on this. In the past six months, Cryptic have proven time and again that they're both listening to us and trying incredibly hard to improve the game for us. And yet, even when they outright give us something we were clamoring for, the cry is not "Thank you!" but rather "Why didn't you give us all of these other things, too!". They've earned our trust at this point. Now give them our patience and wait to see what they deliver next if you don't have your own heart's desire yet.
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  • moobucketmoobucket Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    ... too bad the Klingons and Romulans don't feel this kind of love.
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  • ankokunekoankokuneko Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    "After some discussion, we finally settled on making a Carrier. Starfleet players have access to plenty of Escort and Cruiser options, but not very many Science ships and even fewer Carriers. This gave us a perfect opportunity to fill that gap."

    the faction with the only non zero t6 sci ships has too little ?
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    qjunior wrote: »
    Since Trendy just said that she is trying to convince the devs to make those ships, your statement makes no sense. Currently no one is working at anything. And how many years of patience is enough exactly ? :D

    It took us... alot of time to get carriers distributed to the Federation after the first KDF Carrier... nuff said. But, even if they aren't actually working on it, the whole "more KDF and Rommie ships" thing has been going on for a very long time, but such things requires time and patience, not complaints that easily get old after awhile.

    Maybe, I was just a bit concerned that saying they are actually working on something might catch on and mislead people. You know how rumors start. :)

    Just to say, I'm not angry. I have been here long enough to know how it goes.
  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 4,272 Arc User
    So... I was pretty certain this whole contest was rigged from the beginning. Last week's blog on Modeling the Omega, pretty much solidified that, when you guys admitted that only one design was done with cues taken from the Jupiter, but in the topic for that blog I said this:
    This feels less like I had a choice in the design and more like the ship team wanted to redo the Jupiter, but didnt have the free time to do it on their own, so they had to get it through other means.

    And this blog says this:
    Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought. It later occurred to us that the ship could truly do so by assuming the Jupiter class name.

    Very early on? Come on guys... if you had any inkling of thought that this ship would replace the Jupiter... and you let a Jupiter-like design into the contest... then that contest was rigged. Nevermind the fact that youre literally re-using the Jupiter name on this one.

    This whole contest wasnt a contest to design a new carrier, it was the ship team wanting to redo the existing Jupiter, but not having time on the schedule to do it, so they shoehorned it into this contest.

    At no point did anyones vote matter, and Im not wholly unconvinced that even if Omega had lost, you guys would have found a way to have to modify what ever did win, to be more Jupiter like...

    By "very early on" They probably meant the whole voting for the Omega design being so popular, they were sure it could replace the Jupiter-Class Dreadnought, but any one of the other designs would've been the replacement for the Jupiter Dreadnought. Besides, atleast the Federation has it's own carrier after having used the Atrox which wasn't a Fed design, but was a lend-lease ship.
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